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The line up I want to see next year asuming no LBJ
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Finestrg
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3/22/2010  8:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2010  10:44 AM
sidsanders wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:C - Bosh
PF - Scola
SF - Gallo
SG - Wilson
PG - Douglas
G - Manu
C - Camby
F - Walker
G - Giddens
G - Grievis Vazquez
F - Jarvis Varnado
C - Curry

this team would play much better defense by default regardless of the coaching or system because there are a good amount of defensive minded players & has plenty of scorers & shooters to run MDA's uptempo style... tons of depth with a good balance of youth & veterans.

There is no way I would rebuild with 3 30+ year old players. Camby could be shot at anytime and he does not have more than 2 years left. Ginobli is walking injury. I like Scola but Lee os 3-4 year younger and can play point power F.

I added pieces that will fit now and for the next 5-7 years

Morrow 24 best 3 point shooting G in the NBA
Fasenko 24 7-1 300 pound cheap big man with updside
Lee 27
Bosh 26

And Fredette is better for this system that any PG not named John Wall in the draft. Vazquez has never shot above 43% in college and he has had better athletes and big men to play with. Fredette on a team with big men and space is a weapon. I think he has the ability to shoot 50% from 3 or close to it. Vazquez=Reece Gaines

not correct. dude had dave neal at like 6-6 as his starting c/pf. this year is the first time i would say he has a real big man, and he is a fr, jordan williams (who looks like he will be good). they have had some comedy of errors type big men recently...

im all for the general. biased and all... dude will not give up ever.

I love The General. "Loco" is what they call him back home in Venezuela...You're absolutely right Sid -- not only did this kid have no real big men to play with beside Williams (Landon Milbourne's no star but he's really not a bad big either I guess - kid competes hard despite being undersized), he really had no big-time talent around him period. Dude was pretty much a one man show for the Terps and despite this, his team still matched Duke's record in the ACC at 13-3 (let's be honest, Jon Scheyer has much better players around him on his team)...Vasquez was 100% deserving of the ACC Player of the Year award over Scheyer if you ask me. Always possessing a versatile game, the only thing he really needed to improve upon was his FG % and 3-pt. FG % and he did this year. He was awesome today with 26 pts., 8 assists and 4 rebounds - a typical Vasquez productive game across the board. The Terps should've won today - Vasquez hit a floater off an awesome spinning drive that put Maryland up with only seconds to go before Mich. State came down and hit a huge 3 at the buzzer... This kid's a good player -- I wouldn't sleep on him if I were the Knicks. We could definitely use his versatility...

LM didnt play d or rebound well 2day or much of the past several games... and he is the PF!!!! just step out on the guy.. just make it a bit tougher... im still bitter... this 1 wasnt as bad as doook 01 though.

Tell you what though, in that game against G-Tech before the Tournament, I thought Milbourne was very good against Tech's big two-headed monster, Lawal & Favors. I thought he outplayed both of those guys that day. He was the only one who showed up in that game for Maryland. Too bad because the Yellow Jackets turned the ball over a ton. It was winnable game. Terps were just worse that game. Couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. Even Vasquez had an off night that night..

And you're right about yesterday --- close out and challenge that damn shooter! Way too much daylight. Ahh, what are ya gonna do. My whole bracket went in the toilet long ago. LOL!

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3/22/2010  11:01 AM
Briggs, stop the faulty logic. The plan is not to get rid of Randolph to get OK4. We have room for two max free agents. In addition to that we have Curry's expiring. I would like to get two top tier talents (Randolph and Crawford do not qualify in this category) and use Curry's expiring to get a third player-- this would require the Knicks to take back a longer term salary. This way, I can have a $10M player this year and both a $6M and $2M free agent in 2011. Your plan requires us to waive the MLE and LLE in 2010 as well as losing the cap space attributable to increases in current roster salary.

Stop this bs that Randolph and Crawford were going to take us to the holy land. The crawford/harrington trade has worked out fine for us. Randolph always had talent, but we shed his contract for virtually nothing (and got his contract for Frye an expiring).

So, if you are asking me if I would rather trade curry now for a $11M contract and the the right to use the MLE and the LLE in 2011 or if I would let his $11M come off the books and have between $7M and $9M of cap space, I'll take the $10m contract and the MLE and LLE. Its a no-brainer. Think about it.

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3/22/2010  11:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2010  11:34 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Briggs, stop the faulty logic. The plan is not to get rid of Randolph to get OK4. We have room for two max free agents. In addition to that we have Curry's expiring. I would like to get two top tier talents (Randolph and Crawford do not qualify in this category) and use Curry's expiring to get a third player-- this would require the Knicks to take back a longer term salary. This way, I can have a $10M player this year and both a $6M and $2M free agent in 2011. Your plan requires us to waive the MLE and LLE in 2010 as well as losing the cap space attributable to increases in current roster salary.

Stop this bs that Randolph and Crawford were going to take us to the holy land. The crawford/harrington trade has worked out fine for us. Randolph always had talent, but we shed his contract for virtually nothing (and got his contract for Frye an expiring).

So, if you are asking me if I would rather trade curry now for a $11M contract and the the right to use the MLE and the LLE in 2011 or if I would let his $11M come off the books and have between $7M and $9M of cap space, I'll take the $10m contract and the MLE and LLE. Its a no-brainer. Think about it.

The basis of your plan is to spend. I have taken into account what we need

A. Secondary premium post[full max Amare or Bosh] Retain known commodity in Lee
B. Quality young 6th man who has a proven consistent[A Morrow best 3pt shooting % in the NBA the last 2 years avg 13 a game perfect for 6th man]
C Back up PG who fits system into draft and find one cheap like we just did with Douglas--I like fredette]
D Back up legit 7 footer who has some track record of success and will come cheap.[Fesenko is a UFA and can be had cheap + pick 40 should yield a 6-11 prospect] I can also use a vet min]


Im not worried about *having* to spend.


I like what we have in the starting line up--other than we need a second premium big to compete. Unless LBJ says Im going to NY--Im not wasting 15mm + on secondary players when I think the combination of Chandler Gallo and Douglas will be very good and cost restricted.

I think we have a lot of pieces here despite the record.

With second premium big--a quality 6th man-- resigning Tmac+Al H to small contracts for the benchnch letting walker giddens develop on the 2nd unit and finding a high quality cheap back up PG who can really shoot as well.

We just need MDA to emphasize more on the D--but I think the team as is--IF we can make the move to get a second premium big and refurbish the bench a bit will be a very good team quickly.


This line up is good for 54-56 wins next year--we dont need to rip down--we need to address. I leave myself flexibility by not using Currys contract with the pick.

C-Bosh
F-Lee
F_Gallo
G-Chandler
G-Douglas
6th man Morrow
7th man A Harrington
8 T Mac
9 Walker
10 Giddens
11 Fredette
12 Fesenko

This is the exact formula I would go for. Keep what we have that is good. Go after either Bosh or Amare Stoudemire IF LBJ says no--and I mean HARD--I want one of them. Resign Lee

I have the money for a 6th man--GS will not match that offer and its a contract that is fluid
Fesenko--easy and cheap

T mac and Harrington--I think they can be fit in
draft pick--use rights in the trade and complete after FA--if it is possible.

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3/22/2010  12:22 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:C - Bosh
PF - Scola
SF - Gallo
SG - Wilson
PG - Douglas
G - Manu
C - Camby
F - Walker
G - Giddens
G - Grievis Vazquez
F - Jarvis Varnado
C - Curry

this team would play much better defense by default regardless of the coaching or system because there are a good amount of defensive minded players & has plenty of scorers & shooters to run MDA's uptempo style... tons of depth with a good balance of youth & veterans.

There is no way I would rebuild with 3 30+ year old players. Camby could be shot at anytime and he does not have more than 2 years left. Ginobli is walking injury. I like Scola but Lee os 3-4 year younger and can play point power F.

I added pieces that will fit now and for the next 5-7 years

Morrow 24 best 3 point shooting G in the NBA
Fasenko 24 7-1 300 pound cheap big man with updside
Lee 27
Bosh 26

And Fredette is better for this system that any PG not named John Wall in the draft. Vazquez has never shot above 43% in college and he has had better athletes and big men to play with. Fredette on a team with big men and space is a weapon. I think he has the ability to shoot 50% from 3 or close to it. Vazquez=Reece Gaines

that's just it, next year we are no longer in rebuilding mode... Dolan & the fans all expect us to be back in contention next year... that's what all this build up to 2010 was all about... we're not going to draw talent like Chris Bosh to play alongside a team full of raw talent that still needs to be developed... u need some veterans mixed in that know what they're doing out on the floor, especially w/this head coach who dislikes playing rookies (i don't care what he's trying to say now about liking them, we all know that's a load of BS)... my team is built with defensive minded players who also play on the offensive side of the ball... IMO there is better team balance & depth on that roster than the one you put together... just my take... i think a team with Manu, Camby, Scola & a good nucleus of young talent would appeal to a guy like Bosh over one made up almost exclusively with young talent that need more time to grow into their roles.

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3/22/2010  12:28 PM
If we can get Bosh without trading Lee, we would be in a pretty good position. If the coaching staff can work on Douglas to get him up to speed on being our starting PG, Bosh could fill our other big need for a center that can play in MDA's system. We resign T-Mac for 3-4 mil and this team would be loaded.
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3/22/2010  12:43 PM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:C - Bosh
PF - Scola
SF - Gallo
SG - Wilson
PG - Douglas
G - Manu
C - Camby
F - Walker
G - Giddens
G - Grievis Vazquez
F - Jarvis Varnado
C - Curry

this team would play much better defense by default regardless of the coaching or system because there are a good amount of defensive minded players & has plenty of scorers & shooters to run MDA's uptempo style... tons of depth with a good balance of youth & veterans.

There is no way I would rebuild with 3 30+ year old players. Camby could be shot at anytime and he does not have more than 2 years left. Ginobli is walking injury. I like Scola but Lee os 3-4 year younger and can play point power F.

I added pieces that will fit now and for the next 5-7 years

Morrow 24 best 3 point shooting G in the NBA
Fasenko 24 7-1 300 pound cheap big man with updside
Lee 27
Bosh 26

And Fredette is better for this system that any PG not named John Wall in the draft. Vazquez has never shot above 43% in college and he has had better athletes and big men to play with. Fredette on a team with big men and space is a weapon. I think he has the ability to shoot 50% from 3 or close to it. Vazquez=Reece Gaines

that's just it, next year we are no longer in rebuilding mode... Dolan & the fans all expect us to be back in contention next year... that's what all this build up to 2010 was all about... we're not going to draw talent like Chris Bosh to play alongside a team full of raw talent that still needs to be developed... u need some veterans mixed in that know what they're doing out on the floor, especially w/this head coach who dislikes playing rookies (i don't care what he's trying to say now about liking them, we all know that's a load of BS)... my team is built with defensive minded players who also play on the offensive side of the ball... IMO there is better team balance & depth on that roster than the one you put together... just my take... i think a team with Manu, Camby, Scola & a good nucleus of young talent would appeal to a guy like Bosh over one made up almost exclusively with young talent that need more time to grow into their roles.



What is Gods name do you think you want to pay what will be a 34 YO Ginobli? a 37 year old Camby and if you pay Scola--it wont be anything much less than what Lee gets and I like Lee better+ he is 4 years younger. This is a very weird star phuck you want. I mean you want top give Ginobli 5 yeasr 45mm? you;ll get burned.
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3/22/2010  12:55 PM
where did i say i'd want to give Manu 5 years $45M? 3 year contract at reasonable dollars, meaning $7-8M per year, otherwise i'd consider other options... for Camby i'd offer him 2 years with a team option for a third at midlevel type money or slightly over... the point is you need some veterans who know how to play on the roster next year, we're not gonna go with all youth, D Lee & Bosh & expect to get back into contention, it ain't gonna happen.

as for Scola, i agree Lee is better, but marginally so & i happen to think he will command a lot more than Scola in free agency this summer... he's making $3M right now opposed to Lee's $7M... even if u double Scola's current salary it will be less than what Lee's making before he even signs his extension... if u think there's a chance in hell you're getting Lee at anything less than $11-13M per you're kidding yourself.

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3/22/2010  1:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2010  1:26 PM
TMS wrote:where did i say i'd want to give Manu 5 years $45M? 3 year contract at reasonable dollars, meaning $7-8M per year, otherwise i'd consider other options... for Camby i'd offer him 2 years with a team option for a third at midlevel type money or slightly over... the point is you need some veterans who know how to play on the roster next year, we're not gonna go with all youth, D Lee & Bosh & expect to get back into contention, it ain't gonna happen.

as for Scola, i agree Lee is better, but marginally so & i happen to think he will command a lot more than Scola in free agency this summer... he's making $3M right now opposed to Lee's $7M... even if u double Scola's current salary it will be less than what Lee's making before he even signs his extension... if u think there's a chance in hell you're getting Lee at anything less than $11-13M per you're kidding yourself.

If we just added Bosh we would win 50 games.

Again here is why

Gallo has started to show the willingness to play a medium to post game and since he has done that--he has scored 20+ and shot 50+ in 3/4.

Douglas has shown that he can be a playmaking guard with explosive offensive abilities. He has made the team better and Im not interested in changing that.

Wilson Chandler has played well all year and is shooting 48% @ 15+ and is among league leaders in rebounding from the 2 guard position with good D

David Lee is a 20-10-4 machine--what has he shown a high level of consistency and production

I have 4--what am I missing? the secondary quality big who will bring me defensive presence just by his size alone. A bench that suits our needs and price. Im not opposed to trading Curry for an Ok4 to play on the seond part of the team after I spend my money on a 6th man a back up C and the money to retain Harrington or T mac.

What are we missing---all good NBA team play with two premium bigs--we have not.

If you want to say Id like to add Ginobli for 6th man--I can get into that agreement for the right price but I dont want to spend more than 5mm and I think he can do better.
If I retain Lee and add Bosh--I have spent 27mm$ of the 34 and would only haev space to sign cheaper bench pieces and Id rather take Morrow if I can get him because of age. I dont feel I can count on a guy like Ginobli to be honest--hes great but at 34 next year--thats not the way I would go.

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3/22/2010  1:34 PM
i already said i'd be looking to sign Manu to be the 6th man in the original plan... your plan has Anthony Morrow as really the only proven player on the bench that can be productive & he's putting up numbers on a horrible team... i like his shooting ability but IMHO on a contending team he should be used in an Eddie House type specialty role, not as your primary scorer off the bench... just MHO.

Manu brings all kinds of versatility, leadership & championship experience to the table & we all know the guy plays balls out every minute he's on the floor on both ends... that's the type of player we need to be targetting, i don't even care about his age... u can tell when u see him play he's got plenty of basketball left in him... IMO the worst decision SA made was trading for Richard Jefferson when they already had a perfectly capable player in Manu on the team & a winning formula... they'll probably look to re-sign Manu this summer obviously but if we offered him more than the MLE we might be able to steal him away... they own his Bird Rights so they can always match the offer but it's worth serious consideration IMO... Manu is 1 of my favorite players in the NBA, i love the energy & passion he plays with... that's the type of stuff that rubs off on other guys & u want ur young guys to learn from... i would love the idea of grooming Greivis Vazquez with Manu as his mentor for 3 seasons, & Camby as Varnado's mentor as well... & in the meantime that team would be plenty good enough to contend with in the present... team balance & depth should be our main focus this season if we miss out on the top names in free agency IMO... David Lee is a great guy & a very good player but him & Bosh are not going to be enough to give us an edge over the top teams in the EC much less the West.

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The line up I want to see next year asuming no LBJ

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