BasketballJones wrote:I think any player immediately looks better once he's wearing another uniform.

The grass is always greener on the other side, especially when you're a Knick fan.

i think it's a vendetta issue.

BasketballJones wrote:I think any player immediately looks better once he's wearing another uniform.

The grass is always greener on the other side, especially when you're a Knick fan.

BasketballJones wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:I think any player immediately looks better once he's wearing another uniform.

The grass is always greener on the other side, especially when you're a Knick fan.

Did you like the trade? Did you like how Hill was used by the coach this year?

I honestly don't have very strong feelings about it. Seems like a couple of months ago guys were complaining about the pick and comparing Hill to guys who were picked after him.

I didn't see much special from Hill while he was here. Was it because he was buried on the bench, or were there other issues? Did he get motivated by being traded?

I don't frequent Celtics forums, but I wonder if they are tying themselves in knots over losing Bill Walker?

TheGame wrote:

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:

TMS wrote:look on the bright side, at least we got Steve Nash Lite out of the deal.

TMS you truly are devoted to the fact that we over paid to get rid of Fishlips......

I still think it remains to be seen how bad the deal is

i'm definitely not alone on this... a lot of people think we overpaid to get rid of Fishlips, including plenty of Knick fans, sports news media commentators & Houston Rocket fans... the people who think we got good value in this deal seem to be in the distinct minority if u ask me.

of course if we sign Lebron & Bosh this summer, that will all change & i will be fine w/the price we had to pay, but it's a huge risk nonetheless & a ton of assets we gave up to do it... people who dismissed Jordan Hill as a bust before he ever got a chance to play should reassess their opinions about this kid.

The only way that deal was good is if we get Bosh and Lebron. Anything less, and Walsh should be fired IMO and MDA should follow. Those two have really mismanaged this team. Douglas sits half the season while we get 37 minutes of Duhon. Walsh passes on deals last year to trade Jeffries only to give up essentially 2.5 first round picks for the privilege of trading Jeffries. We fail to draft a point guard in the best point guard class of the last 5 years (even though I do like DOuglas but is he really a PG). MDA playing around with guys playing time like he is the second coming of Larry Brown. Giving away Randolph for essentially nothing. I mean Walsh has consistently overpaid or undervalued our assets in virtually every move he has made. And MDA's team still has not figured out how to play defense. Oh, and don't get me started on why Hill never got any consistent minutes when it was clear to everyone that this kid was the second best post-defender we had and Lee was geting killed every night. If we strike out in FA, I say we resign Lee for $10 mil, fire Walsh and MDA, and bring in some new people.

i dunno if i agree w/u that it was clear to everyone that Jordan Hill was the second best post defender we had... plenty of people were killing him around here saying he had no idea what he was doing on the floor, & admittedly sometimes for good reason... at times he did look totally lost out there on the floor... however, it was apparent to a few of us that this guy had all the tools & the desire to be that low post defender & shotblocker we sorely needed... we saw him body up on Andrew Bynum & Pau Gasol during both games we played LA this year & do a good job when other guys were getting absolutely abused in the paint... we saw how this kid was willing to go up & contest every shot in the lane instead of standing planted on the floor with his hands up in the air afraid to draw a foul... the more run Jordan Hill is getting in Houston, the better he is looking... there's a novel concept... playing the young guys to let them grow... wish i'd thought of it.

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:I agree that Hill had and has skills ......

Still its not like Shaq or Howard skill

Middle of the pack skills...... Like Frye or Ariza

If we get Bron and anything its worth it

i agree IF we get Bron & anything it's worth it... that's a huge IF tho dude... we'll see how it goes, but i have my doubts that CLE will let Lebron get away w/o working out some kind of S&T deal, & we have very limited assets to offer at this point to get anything done.

Aren't most sign and trades with teams under the cap done for a 2nd rd pick and the massive trade exception? That's what we wanted Donnie to do with Zach when Memphis wanted him from us before the 2008-2009 season. Instead Donnie was hung up on getting a player back and didn't make the deal.

nixluva wrote:Numbers alone don't impress me. There are straight scrubs who get numbers mainly cuz someone is gonna get the rebounds if they're on the court long enough. This is not to say that Hill isn't in fact playing well, but merely showing stats doesn't mean he's destined for greatness. We've seen guys put up good late season numbers on mediocre teams and then come back the next year and come back to earth. All i'm saying is time will tell who and what Hill is.

In regard to DW making the deal it made perfect sense when there are real options to get a player to replace him that's better than Hill now and possibly better than Hill may ever be. We had the money to pay Lebron, but not to make the rest of the team better as well. That extra money gives us more breathing room to add talent.
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I hated the deal. I get that the Knicks goal was to clear cap space but I think this deal was a big mistake and I don't think as much needed to be given up. Jeffries is not even playing for the Rockets. Hill is the first big man off the bench for them. There are alot of people on this board who write about Gallo and say this is his rookie year. In that case Hill's rookie year started on Feb. 19 and he didn't have a training camp with his team. The fact that Jeffries doesn't even play says alot about D'Antoni. Couldn't the approach have been to play Hill and pump up his value instead of playing Jeffries and sitting the 8th pick. Maybe Hill would have been enough to get that deal done. Hill is basically starting his second month in the NBA and he is putting up good numbers. He missed out on two thirds of an NBA season because he was coached by rigid,@ss clown. You can try to put a different spin on it but the Rockets really are trying to make the playoffs and they are playing Jordan Hill and they have benched Jeffries.

TMS wrote:

kam77 wrote:

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:I agree that Hill had and has skills ......

Still its not like Shaq or Howard skill

Middle of the pack skills...... Like Frye or Ariza

If we get Bron and anything its worth it

i agree IF we get Bron & anything it's worth it... that's a huge IF tho dude... we'll see how it goes, but i have my doubts that CLE will let Lebron get away w/o working out some kind of S&T deal, & we have very limited assets to offer at this point to get anything done.

Aren't most sign and trades with teams under the cap done for a 2nd rd pick and the massive trade exception? That's what we wanted Donnie to do with Zach when Memphis wanted him from us before the 2008-2009 season. Instead Donnie was hung up on getting a player back and didn't make the deal.

Zach & Lebron are sorta different... do u see CLE letting their franchise guy leave for a trade exception & a 2nd round pick? let's be real.

In this type of situation the "Home" team has zero leverage. LeBron could walk and the Cavs would get zip.

CrushAlot wrote:

kam77 wrote:Nice thread title. 5 blocks huh? Thats funny... box score only counted 3.

This is an old thread. Hill seems to have big games against the Celtics.

lol. my bad. but still. misleading ****.

CrushAlot wrote:

Cosmic wrote:And outside of those games he's recorded 1 block once. Whooptie doo.

I guess this is going to be an ongoing theme: "OMFG WE GAVE UP JORDAN HILL" theme. I mean, some talk like we gave up our franchise center for the next 15 years when in reality we gave up a raw backup forward. The guy just isn't all that good at anything. You'd think differently reading some posts by some users on him but then you watch him and look over his stats and you shake your head wondering what on earth these people think they're watching. I guess they see the name "Jordan" and think we gave up MICHAEL JORDAN. Got to be something because I've never seen such an uproar over trading the next Jackie Butler (Who had much better games as a pro than Hill ever did).

But whatever. To me it's simple:

* Why did the Knicks select a raw forward when they were loaded with forward, and not just that but loaded with young forwards they want to keep (Lee, Gallo, Chandler).

* Hill should have played more. Regardless of how poorly he played he still should have played more. Yet, you're not benching Lee, Gallo, Chandler - or Jeffries, Harrington... to play Jordan Hill. No matter how bad you are you're not burying five guys on the bench to play a raw rookie!

But, well, as some would have it, had we only played Hill we'd be in the playoffs! Not sure what planet those guys are on but it's not Earth.