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Pharzeone
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3/16/2010  3:33 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:Chandler has shown me that he can handle the PF spot in MDA's BB. But if you get Bosh, then I move him back to the SF spot and have Gallo come off the bench until he proves he can be effective for an entire season.

are you finally relenting on that point? you are right though, chandler has said multiple times that he's most comfortable at PF.

I have never seen him say that anywhere. I know he said he is a forward and considers small forward his position. He said he would do what coach ask of him. I said that he is able to play multiple positions which is a plus that MDA seems to love.

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fishmike
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3/16/2010  3:38 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:Chandler has shown me that he can handle the PF spot in MDA's BB. But if you get Bosh, then I move him back to the SF spot and have Gallo come off the bench until he proves he can be effective for an entire season.

are you finally relenting on that point? you are right though, chandler has said multiple times that he's most comfortable at PF.

I have never seen him say that anywhere. I know he said he is a forward and considers small forward his position. He said he would do what coach ask of him. I said that he is able to play multiple positions which is a plus that MDA seems to love.

I do know that MDA was once asked where LBJ would play in his system and he immediatly said at the 4.
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Pharzeone
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3/16/2010  3:42 PM
fishmike wrote:I dont think Chandler should start. He's not a tone setter. He's good, I am a buyer there, but if he stays I think he's the right guy to come off the bench. He defends and lets the game come to him. He's better in the flow, kind of like a Lamaar Odom. Since we know MDA likes to play 7 or 8 guys (really 7) Chandler is the perfect guy to give you 30-35 minutes a night off the bench. I love the idea because he can get minutes at the 2/3/4 in any given lineup.

Its not a demotion. Lakers paid Odom $10mm a year to come off the bench.

I don't think Gallinari is a tone setter either. I seen him to be more passive than Chandler. When he takes his shot and it doesn't fall. You can sometimes write him off for the night. Harrington will come in and grab the ball and take over. I seen that on the rookie/sophomore game as well. Chandler seems able to adjust and still get his. In his game with Durant, Chandler didn't fade, he was still able to get 18 points and grab rebounds. Gallinari seems to be a guy that needs everything to be perfect for him. He reminds me so much of Hedo, particularly in Sacramento. It's like a flip of the coin with him. When he is off, he is very off. And look to take himself out of it. Like I said, MDA will decide but I tell you this much, I bet he will sit Gallo before Chandler. Just look at when he came back from his grandfather funeral. He came off the bench one game and MDA said enough of that. Coaches will always chose consistently over sporadic play.

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knicks1248
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3/16/2010  4:09 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:He's also had to many air balls and terrible shot selections. sometimes he gets out of his relm and thinks he can shoot off the dribble, which is is awful at. But i like his potential, I will blame the back issue's and his recovering summer of 09 in why he didn't improve one aspect of his game.

Im thinking that part of the reason for some of his poor shot selection is a reflection of Al, Nate, and the free flowing system he plays in

That's my point. Chandler was able to adjust to those guys while Gallo still doesn't seem able to do effectively. He still seems to have trouble with McGrady as well. Gallo seems to be a guy who needs to take a lot of shots to be effective in the long run. If you get a bona fide star in here, I'm not sure if they will have patience for guys like that. His early career is starting to remind of Hedo's in Sacramento. I think he will need to find a strong post player to play with to be effective game in and game out.

Chandler is getting better, gallo is not, but we'll have to see if he pulls a eddy curry on us and takes a complete back seat to another star coming in. he may turn into a jason kapono

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3/16/2010  4:36 PM
Eddy Curry is a lazy, fat dude who only cares about his next pay check & meal. Comparing him in any way to Gallinari is flat our dumb.
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3/16/2010  4:40 PM
I like Rudy Gay as a spot up shooter and as a jumbo sized 2 or big 3, but he doesn't create/handle/facilitate like Joe Johnson.
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3/16/2010  6:07 PM
Am I alone in thinking that if you merely add Bosh to this squad, that we're still likely to suck next year?
EwingsGlass
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3/16/2010  6:40 PM
I think we need a defensive presence in the paint. I like Ty Thomas, but the salary projections on this board scare me. I wouldn't pay him much more than $6m per unless he develops further. I think defensive presence is more important that size. I think Lee's defense continues to be suspect and makes me want to look for alternatives. The potential for Gallo's development makes me want to hold onto him. But for me, this offseason is a full rebuild, so Walsh needs to look at the available free agents, their respective costs, and the assets we have remaining to determine what is the best team that we can put together for the next 5 or 6 years. While certain younger players may have high values, I don't think any player from a losing team with our record is "untouchable". It really all depends on what you get back.

So, ignoring our unrestricted free agents:


PG Douglas
SG Walker
SF Chandler
PF Gallo
C Curry

It seems to me that all 5 positions could use an upgrade. Otherwise, we have a pretty good bench.

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3/16/2010  6:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2010  6:58 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
jimimou wrote:^^^how'd you get that to format like that? whenever i try to post stats, they get messed-up.

same here..

in the UK editor, click the "Code" button. put your formatted stats inside the resulting [ code ] [ /code ] bracket pair.

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martin
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3/16/2010  7:20 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
jimimou wrote:^^^how'd you get that to format like that? whenever i try to post stats, they get messed-up.

same here..

in the UK editor, click the "Code" button. put your formatted stats inside the resulting [ code ] [ /code ] bracket pair.

it's strange to me that posters can't figure this out more easily... especially when you have the Reply button and can see how someone did it.

Should we change Code to Stats? Is there a better way for us to indicate?

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BasketballJones
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3/16/2010  7:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2010  7:44 PM
martin wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
jimimou wrote:^^^how'd you get that to format like that? whenever i try to post stats, they get messed-up.

same here..

in the UK editor, click the "Code" button. put your formatted stats inside the resulting [ code ] [ /code ] bracket pair.

it's strange to me that posters can't figure this out more easily... especially when you have the Reply button and can see how someone did it.

Should we change Code to Stats? Is there a better way for us to indicate?

Yeah, I'm not really sure why you called it "code". Basically it preserves your formatting, right? I see it maps to the html <pre> code. I would leave the name alone however, since many posters understand what it does and use it by that name.

You could think about updating the FAQ to be a bit more informative about what "code" does, but no one reads the FAQ, right? Maybe just best to leave well enough alone. Let posters help each other out, and encourage people to make use of the testing forum.

https:// It's not so hard.
martin
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3/16/2010  7:45 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
martin wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
jimimou wrote:^^^how'd you get that to format like that? whenever i try to post stats, they get messed-up.

same here..

in the UK editor, click the "Code" button. put your formatted stats inside the resulting [ code ] [ /code ] bracket pair.

it's strange to me that posters can't figure this out more easily... especially when you have the Reply button and can see how someone did it.

Should we change Code to Stats? Is there a better way for us to indicate?

Yeah, I'm not really sure why you called it "code". Basically it preserves your formatting, right? I see it maps to the html <pre> code. I would leave the name alone however, since many posters understand what it does and use it by that name.

You could think about updating the FAQ to be a bit more informative about what "code" does, but no one reads the FAQ, right? Maybe just best to leave well enough alone. Let posters help each other out, and encourage people to make use of the testing forum.

so mostly what you are saying is nyk4ever and jimimou are dumb ****s, right?

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3/16/2010  7:55 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:I think defensive presence is more important that size. I think Lee's defense continues to be suspect and makes me want to look for alternatives. The potential for Gallo's development makes me want to hold onto him. But for me, this offseason is a full rebuild, so Walsh needs to look at the available free agents, their respective costs, and the assets we have remaining to determine what is the best team that we can put together for the next 5 or 6 years. While certain younger players may have high values, I don't think any player from a losing team with our record is "untouchable". It really all depends on what you get back.

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It seems to me that all 5 positions could use an upgrade. Otherwise, we have a pretty good bench.

Assuming no LBJ or Wade....

Totally agree that defensive size and ability in the paint is number one. Knicks currently have little to nothing going on in this area. Not even just a Lee diss, everyone is atrocious on D down low and it is very, very costly for the team in terms of wins and losses.

Then almost as important is to get an effective playmaker/PG.

I too want Walsh to start from scratch and consider all options, in any combination of FA or current guy. I really like Gallo, but I would deal him or anyone else for the right fit or filling the right need. I'm hoping that Walsh surprises us this offseason and shows us just how well he has conceived his plan. Hoping.

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3/16/2010  8:04 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:I think we need a defensive presence in the paint. I like Ty Thomas, but the salary projections on this board scare me. I wouldn't pay him much more than $6m per unless he develops further. I think defensive presence is more important that size. I think Lee's defense continues to be suspect and makes me want to look for alternatives. The potential for Gallo's development makes me want to hold onto him. But for me, this offseason is a full rebuild, so Walsh needs to look at the available free agents, their respective costs, and the assets we have remaining to determine what is the best team that we can put together for the next 5 or 6 years. While certain younger players may have high values, I don't think any player from a losing team with our record is "untouchable". It really all depends on what you get back.

So, ignoring our unrestricted free agents:


PG Douglas
SG Walker
SF Chandler
PF Gallo
C Curry

It seems to me that all 5 positions could use an upgrade. Otherwise, we have a pretty good bench.

Right now we have a roster full of 6th men..other then Lee, when you look at the 4 championship contenders..magic, lakers, celtics, and mavs except for the cavs, not one of our players deserves to start.

I would trade anybody and everybody to get a top notch PG in MDA system..real talk here...if nash can turn avg players like Q rich, bell. Boris, Into a very good players and simutanously become a MVP of the NBA, why look or ask WHAT DO WE NEED..

I have been watching Deron williams lately, and my goodness I would easily give up the ranch, house poodle, and my kids tuition to get him..

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nyk4ever
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3/16/2010  8:24 PM
martin wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
jimimou wrote:^^^how'd you get that to format like that? whenever i try to post stats, they get messed-up.

same here..

in the UK editor, click the "Code" button. put your formatted stats inside the resulting [ code ] [ /code ] bracket pair.

it's strange to me that posters can't figure this out more easily... especially when you have the Reply button and can see how someone did it.

Should we change Code to Stats? Is there a better way for us to indicate?

you know martin. i'll be completely honest, im very tech savvy and i've used the code button before and it hasn't worked for me.

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nyk4ever
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3/16/2010  8:24 PM
martin wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
martin wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
jimimou wrote:^^^how'd you get that to format like that? whenever i try to post stats, they get messed-up.

same here..

in the UK editor, click the "Code" button. put your formatted stats inside the resulting [ code ] [ /code ] bracket pair.

it's strange to me that posters can't figure this out more easily... especially when you have the Reply button and can see how someone did it.

Should we change Code to Stats? Is there a better way for us to indicate?

Yeah, I'm not really sure why you called it "code". Basically it preserves your formatting, right? I see it maps to the html <pre> code. I would leave the name alone however, since many posters understand what it does and use it by that name.

You could think about updating the FAQ to be a bit more informative about what "code" does, but no one reads the FAQ, right? Maybe just best to leave well enough alone. Let posters help each other out, and encourage people to make use of the testing forum.

so mostly what you are saying is nyk4ever and jimimou are dumb ****s, right?

LOL

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nyk4ever
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3/16/2010  8:26 PM
Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Regular

Mar 15 @ PHI W 94 - 84 41 8 - 15 3 - 6 2 - 3 0 2 2 1 1 0 1 3 21
Mar 13 @ DAL W 128 - 94 26 2 - 4 1 - 1 1 - 1 1 6 7 1 1 0 1 3 6
Mar 12 @ MEM L 112 - 119 34 3 - 12 1 - 8 2 - 3 0 4 4 1 0 1 2 1 9
Mar 10 @ SAS L 87 - 97 40 5 - 13 0 - 4 4 - 6 1 4 5 0 1 1 1 3 14
Mar 08 vs. ATL W 99 - 98 43 9 - 14 4 - 5 5 - 6 0 5 5 2 0 0 2 3 27
Mar 06 vs. NJN L 93 - 113 27 6 - 8 0 - 1 3 - 4 1 3 4 0 1 1 3 4 15
Mar 05 @ TOR L 96 - 102 38 5 - 12 1 - 3 2 - 2 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 2 13
Mar 03 vs. DET W 128 - 104 37 6 - 12 2 - 4 1 - 1 2 2 4 4 1 0 0 1 15
Mar 01 @ CLE L 93 - 124 36 5 - 13 2 - 5 5 - 5 1 3 4 1 2 0 2 2 17
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nyk4ever
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3/16/2010  8:26 PM

Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Regular

Mar 15 @ PHI W 94 - 84 41 8 - 15 3 - 6 2 - 3 0 2 2 1 1 0 1 3 21
Mar 13 @ DAL W 128 - 94 26 2 - 4 1 - 1 1 - 1 1 6 7 1 1 0 1 3 6
Mar 12 @ MEM L 112 - 119 34 3 - 12 1 - 8 2 - 3 0 4 4 1 0 1 2 1 9
Mar 10 @ SAS L 87 - 97 40 5 - 13 0 - 4 4 - 6 1 4 5 0 1 1 1 3 14
Mar 08 vs. ATL W 99 - 98 43 9 - 14 4 - 5 5 - 6 0 5 5 2 0 0 2 3 27
Mar 06 vs. NJN L 93 - 113 27 6 - 8 0 - 1 3 - 4 1 3 4 0 1 1 3 4 15
Mar 05 @ TOR L 96 - 102 38 5 - 12 1 - 3 2 - 2 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 2 13
Mar 03 vs. DET W 128 - 104 37 6 - 12 2 - 4 1 - 1 2 2 4 4 1 0 0 1 15
Mar 01 @ CLE L 93 - 124 36 5 - 13 2 - 5 5 - 5 1 3 4 1 2 0 2 2 17

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nyk4ever
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3/16/2010  8:26 PM
clearly im just stupid...
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Pharzeone
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3/16/2010  8:27 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I think we need a defensive presence in the paint. I like Ty Thomas, but the salary projections on this board scare me. I wouldn't pay him much more than $6m per unless he develops further. I think defensive presence is more important that size. I think Lee's defense continues to be suspect and makes me want to look for alternatives. The potential for Gallo's development makes me want to hold onto him. But for me, this offseason is a full rebuild, so Walsh needs to look at the available free agents, their respective costs, and the assets we have remaining to determine what is the best team that we can put together for the next 5 or 6 years. While certain younger players may have high values, I don't think any player from a losing team with our record is "untouchable". It really all depends on what you get back.

So, ignoring our unrestricted free agents:


PG Douglas
SG Walker
SF Chandler
PF Gallo
C Curry

It seems to me that all 5 positions could use an upgrade. Otherwise, we have a pretty good bench.

Right now we have a roster full of 6th men..other then Lee, when you look at the 4 championship contenders..magic, lakers, celtics, and mavs except for the cavs, not one of our players deserves to start.

I would trade anybody and everybody to get a top notch PG in MDA system..real talk here...if nash can turn avg players like Q rich, bell. Boris, Into a very good players and simutanously become a MVP of the NBA, why look or ask WHAT DO WE NEED..

I have been watching Deron williams lately, and my goodness I would easily give up the ranch, house poodle, and my kids tuition to get him..

Now I won't go that far. Trevor Ariza was the starting small forward on the Lakers when they won. Kendrick Perkins started at center on their team. I think if you move most of these guys to other teams from the Knick rosters they could be starters there. Q-Rich is doing his thing in Miami. Actually most guys that leave here go on to rather productive seasons. Strange really. I'm worry about Lebron and Bosh coming here and forgetting everything they know. I never put much into that Ewing curse thing but now...

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