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HARDCOREKNICKSFAN
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1/7/2004  6:50 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

As long as Isiah doesn't coach this team which would be bad, he should go with Brendan as interim and then hire Doc next year.

Sounds like a plan to me, Silver!
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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1/7/2004  8:41 PM
I always wondered what the face meant? Also, I dont think we should call out for Chaney to be shot. After all its just basketball.
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1/7/2004  9:02 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

As long as Isiah doesn't coach this team which would be bad, he should go with Brendan as interim and then hire Doc next year.
agreed. maybe zeke's just letting him fail this year so there's no dispute in dolan's eye's. after all channey & dolan are boys. dolan would'nt be able to argue the fact that he had a SQUAD like last year. not to mention the fact that most coaches won't want to come into a job half way through. next season doc will be signing on the dotted line.
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1/7/2004  9:21 PM
Posted by playa2:

ZEKE(the mastermind) IS THE ONE WHO JUST PUBLICLY ENDORSED CHANEY AS THE KNICKS HEAD COACH, WHY HAVEN'T YOU CLOWNS BROUGHT THAT UP. Reality is really getting to ya huh? Y'all still got Zeke's back

There is nothing like endorsing a coach before he takes the fall its happened before and that is usually the sign that he might be on the outs. If history is right an endorsement is like the kiss of death. That mean his job status has been brought up in meeting or in discussions which never is a good thing.
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1/7/2004  9:30 PM
PROVE IT, if the boss likes you , then the manager has no say until the end of the season.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/8/2004  12:09 AM
Uh oh. Chaney is clueless:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/08/sports/08KNIC.html

. . .

Marbury attributed his struggles to his playing time; he played 29 minutes, including the final 4 when the game was virtually over. "I really couldn't get into the game like I wanted to," he said. "I'm used to playing 40 minutes.

"I want to play; I don't want to be on the bench. The more I'm on the court, the better it is going to be for everyone because I think everyone will be able to adjust to the way I play."

Chaney said that Marbury's minutes "would climb as he gets used to what we're doing."
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1/8/2004  12:28 AM
why don't the papers call for chaney's job. Don't they have the power to? Isn't this New York. Isn't NY media so tough

They must be getting something in return in order to keep quite. The articles are so positive they always piss me off!
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1/8/2004  12:37 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

why don't the papers call for chaney's job. Don't they have the power to? Isn't this New York. Isn't NY media so tough

They must be getting something in return in order to keep quite. The articles are so positive they always piss me off!

Now that the Knicks have given up their first rounder, IMO, Isiah will keep Chaney on a short leash. A coaching change could provide the momentum for a short winning streak. A couple more losses and he could be gone.
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1/8/2004  12:39 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

why don't the papers call for chaney's job. Don't they have the power to? Isn't this New York. Isn't NY media so tough

They must be getting something in return in order to keep quite. The articles are so positive they always piss me off!

Maybe MSG has a George Bush rule: where if the press talks bad about the occupants of the white house, then they don't get the scoops they need to sell their media. The same tactics could be at work here.



[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 01/08/2004 00:39:55]
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1/8/2004  12:54 AM
Yeah Hardcore! that was exactly what I was thinking.
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1/8/2004  2:45 AM
More head scratching stuff from Chaney:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44620.htm

. . .

While Williams heals, newly acquired Moochie Norris is backing up Marbury. Chaney said that might not change even when Williams comes back - if he comes back.

"He's going to have to fight for a job now," Chaney said. "Frank, Moochie, Penny [Hardaway], they're all in that group together, and whoever shows me the most will get the most time."

Chaney made clear yesterday that no point guard other than Marbury was safe.

When asked about his reaction to Marbury's arrival, Chaney said, "I got down on my knees and thanked God that we got a true point guard in here."

Hardly overwhelming support for Williams.

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How do you go from being a starter to fighting for a job?

The Knicks would be doing him a favor by trading him.
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1/8/2004  6:19 AM
If we trade Frank for some bum like Miles, He will come back to haunt the knicks ,MARK MY WORDS.
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1/8/2004  10:22 AM
Chaney is an *******!! He rips on his own players. First on Deke now on Frank

I wanna bitch slap that ****!
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1/8/2004  10:25 AM
Posted by playa2:

If we trade Frank for some bum like Miles, He will come back to haunt the knicks ,MARK MY WORDS.

Lets face it Playa your boy Chaney ain't doing your boy frank right. I think you have to make a choice its either Chaney or Frank. My bet is you will side with Frank. I would get rid of Chaney as the head coach and make frank the backup PG. I see some Bobby Jackson in him as the backup. But you also have to take into consideration that Frank is going to get like 8 minutes a game because Marbury dominates the game with 40+ minutes a game. It would also be in FW best interest to go to a team that can give him PT so he can make his big money. On the Knicks he will be wasted away. I don't know if that is a good thing for FW.

Chaney needs to go if this team is going to go ahead, 12-70 thats all there is to it. Isiah needs to realize that he will never win with Chaney. If its Dolan's orders to keep Chaney as the head coach then I think that Thomas needs to approch Dolan about getting Chaney out because this team will not go ahead with Chaney at the helm. The players don't respect him because he doesn't know how to communicate, even when he is trying to praise his players he tends to say something that can be detrimental to the team. His words are like a double edge sword. Half the time he doesn't know he is hurting his team by opening his mouth.

His coaching skills are out of his azz because there seems to be poor preperation. Just the other day I saw Marbury hit a runner and the next thing you see is Chaney pulling him from the lineup he didn't allow him to get in the flow with his new teammates. This game was loss and the best thing he could have done was let Marbury take a long run and get use to his teammates in game action.
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1/8/2004  12:05 PM
They can get more for Frank than Darius. He isn't that good but Stephon will make him that good.
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1/8/2004  12:55 PM
Frank can go to shooting guard , what I'm saying is put them on the floor at the same time...you talking about ball movement and open shots
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1/8/2004  1:39 PM
"I got down on my knees and thanked God that we got a true point guard in here."

Man six foot seven should not start praying to god about a point guard. He got on his knees and thanked Dolan for keeping his job.

Then he.........never mind.

Frank is more tradable now than moochie and his contract. Miles is to be a free agent at years end. Can Isiah bring things out in him?

I like KVH at the SF. Marbury gives us more strength at the perimeter on Defense, but KVh presents problems for SF guarding him.

I would prefer to see somthing with RaWheed playing the power forward, and If KVH must go for salary purpose,then miles can be an option.

I would not aquire Miles unless we are upgrading at the PF.
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1/8/2004  1:53 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by playa2:

If we trade Frank for some bum like Miles, He will come back to haunt the knicks ,MARK MY WORDS.

Lets face it Playa your boy Chaney ain't doing your boy frank right. I think you have to make a choice its either Chaney or Frank. My bet is you will side with Frank.



Listen up Thomas is the one that did Frank wrong, not Chaney. Frank got hurt and at the same time, Zeke brought in a "primetime" pg to take his place.

Frank quoted:
Williams said that the groin muscle was 90 percent and that he could be ready by Saturday. "It couldn't have come at a worse time," he said. "I just have to make room for myself."

Now that sounds like a competitor to me!
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1/8/2004  2:53 PM
as much as we all love Frank and the fact that the knicks acutally incubated a rookie to a starter, the harsh reality is frank enhanced his value which will fall playing 8 min behind Starbury, or dnp as 3rd string.

Moochie pushes the ball up, Starbury pushes the ball up. Frank is still slow for PG. The team is still slow, and we need a PF that can run.

KVH has value on this team because he is athletic. He is far better a player to us than we can get in return by trading him staight up. Can he be paired with another player, sure, but its more assets.

KVH is a far better player than Miles in many aspects except showtime dunks.

It is Isiahs first job to consider how to make players he already has better. Its much cheaper than diso****ing them on the trade. Dolan might want KVH to stick for egos sake. IF KVH can bring his averages he can at least make them "Spree Worthy" and save face. If he can parlay KVH and small change into Rahweed, then I think thats a good idea and should go for it.

KVH averaged over 20 points with Starbury. It might be in the back of Isiahs mind that regardless of what happened, there was on court chemistry between those two.

When is Leon coming? anybody dare to get a leon jersey and paint the face green? Leon's first endorsement gig can be for "Green Giant" frozen veggies! Ho Ho Ho, Green Giant!
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1/8/2004  2:59 PM
Chaney's amazing, continual disrespect for Williams is downright astounding. Just how much does this kid have to do to get his opportunities. He languishes all year before he gets his shot, and when he does he plays terrific and helps us win 3 games in blowout fashion. And now he can't beat out Moochie Norris for a backup job? Moochie Norris has his qualities, but he forces up way to many shots for a very below average shooter, and he can't create as much as Williams. And ole Williams was taking good shoots and hitting them. He was even improving his 3 pt. range. I just don't understand it. And if you're trying to trade him, its even stupider to say that a guy who earned a starting job now has to fight for a backup role after playing well. It is just basketball, and it is overboard to shoot Chaney, but the man deserves to be at least hit over the head a couple of times and then fired.

Can we get George Karl or Doc Rivers in here PLEASE?

[Edited by - VDesai on 01/08/2004 15:00:09]
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