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Nalod
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3/15/2010  9:33 AM
After reading of why MDA has kept him out I just might have to agree. I saw a him a bit in college and he was the primary no.1 option to score. IN fact, he would just bring the ball down and just pop it. In crunch time, it was him.

He does not have that NBA kind of talent yet so for him to do other things is what is going to make his career.

Im not just trying to be a MDA homer, but if this kid was good enough early enough it would win games. One thing we know is we ain't tanking this year.
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3/15/2010  9:37 AM
Nalod wrote:After reading of why MDA has kept him out I just might have to agree. I saw a him a bit in college and he was the primary no.1 option to score. IN fact, he would just bring the ball down and just pop it. In crunch time, it was him.

He does not have that NBA kind of talent yet so for him to do other things is what is going to make his career.

Im not just trying to be a MDA homer, but if this kid was good enough early enough it would win games. One thing we know is we ain't tanking this year.

i went to games at the garden early in the year when mda was giving him minutes. he was the best player on the floor for the knicks. best defender and most efficient scorer. by far brought the most energy as well. he did then what he's doing now as well.

mda screwed the pooch on this one.
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3/15/2010  9:51 AM
Marv wrote:
Nalod wrote:After reading of why MDA has kept him out I just might have to agree. I saw a him a bit in college and he was the primary no.1 option to score. IN fact, he would just bring the ball down and just pop it. In crunch time, it was him.

He does not have that NBA kind of talent yet so for him to do other things is what is going to make his career.

Im not just trying to be a MDA homer, but if this kid was good enough early enough it would win games. One thing we know is we ain't tanking this year.

i went to games at the garden early in the year when mda was giving him minutes. he was the best player on the floor for the knicks. best defender and most efficient scorer. by far brought the most energy as well. he did then what he's doing now as well.

mda screwed the pooch on this one.

Yeah. This kid was making mistakes, but he clearly was bringing energy and defense as well as solid shooting. How MDA sat through 45 games watching Duhon's crappy play while he let this kid sit is beyond me. I am still debating whether TD is a starting caliber pg, but he certainly is someone who should be getting 15 minutes a game at least.

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3/15/2010  1:39 PM
Olbrannon - if you have a better second round selection that suits the Knicks areas of need, more than Vernado, I would like to hear his name and why you think he is a better fit for the New Knicks.

Toney Douglas will only improve with some stability in his role. This Summer expect him to light up Vegas, in a figurative sense of course.

Bill Walker is a better basketball player than Nate.

I miss Lonnie Shelton.

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3/15/2010  2:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/15/2010  2:25 PM
misterearl wrote:Olbrannon - if you have a better second round selection that suits the Knicks areas of need, more than Vernado, I would like to hear his name and why you think he is a better fit for the New Knicks.

Toney Douglas will only improve with some stability in his role. This Summer expect him to light up Vegas, in a figurative sense of course.

Bill Walker is a better basketball player than Nate.

I miss Lonnie Shelton.

Dust hasn't settled yet...gotta see who declares and what goes down in the tourney too. Does Duane Collins or Gani Lawal fall that far? Lawal is only 6'8.
At 6'9 210 I don't think Vernardo is an NBA center either.
Draftexpress lists Harangody as a late wecond rounder. First of the year he was considered the top center or maybe I confused him with Aldrich.(shrugs) Guess all this is subject to change ;)http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/

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3/15/2010  2:32 PM
misterearl wrote:nixluva - Douglas is a work in progress. But the progress is encouraging.

Shift du Crystal Ball

Toney Douglas, see you Las Vegas
Rudy Gay, welcome back to The Garden
Chris Bosh as 6'11 skill forward
David Lee at forward
Danilo Gallinari at center

Wilson Chandler, "stay healthy my friend"
Bill Walker as John Starks
Sergio, until a better lead guard comes along
Al Harrington, maybe
JR Giddens as the baby in the king cake

That's ten

That is a very nice starting lineup. You just need to swap Gallo with Bosh.

Bosh and Gay would be nice pickups but I dont think we can afford all three and keep David Lee. Now with that lineup you could bare losing Lee if we could sign a guy like Mike Miller for cheap and possibly retain McGrady

Bosh-C
Gallo-PF
Gay-SF
McGrady-SG
Douglas-PG

Bench:
Chandler
Walker
Miller
Bender
Scrubs

Thing is I dont think we will get Bosh so we have huge hole at C.

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3/15/2010  3:36 PM
AnubisADL - I feel you on showing some love for McGrady but I worry about the micro fracture thing. You know The Answer Man is a romantic at heart and loves a feel good story, but it may not be realistic, given the recent evidence, to pen TMac as a starter. Go wit yoot.

Bosh, "positions? ...we don't need no steekin' positions!"
Gallo, develops his mean streak inside
Gay, becomes a Garden favorite as people chant "Roo-DEE!" every time he touches the ball
JR Giddens, shocks the beat writers and turns out to be more talented than Bill Walker
Douglas, Mr Harry Douglas Sr. smiles and says, "I told you so..."


Pine Brothers:
Chandler, who moves into the starting rotation the moment JR Giddens loses his cool
McGrady, the natural
Walker, Spree reloaded
Sergio as comic relief
Bender, the insurance policy
and a center to be named later

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3/15/2010  5:33 PM
misterearl wrote:Drew Brees: "I can't get through, the gate is narrow!"

Cosmic - if 8 assists and zero turnovers is narrow, then sign me up. Toney is still playing with training wheels. But I like the fact he doesn't see the man "behind" him because that is a nice way of saying, "get yo' lazy azz moving TOWARD the rack, and not away from it"

The beauty of Douglas always moving TOWARD the rack, which cuts the whole east-west game. Douglas reduces the Knicks dependance on three point shots as he drives the ball north-south, to the paint. Gallo does NOT need to stay outside hoisting jumpers any more than 6'9 Al Harrington should be living outside. Gallo had one of his best rebounding games last night (7) and I would LOVE to see him use his 6'10 frame to bang inside. He does not shy away from contact and that is a good thing. Add some muscle to our 6'10 yoot and "voila" the Knicks have a center!

What is that famous military slogan?

Follow Me.

LOL "the gates Narrow"

Anyway the system is designed to have two 3 point threats positioning on the wings, cause we usually sart the offense with a P/R and if it ain't there, then a drive and kick is the 2nd option.
We get upset about the amount of perimeter shots being taken as oppose to taken it to the whole, well the minute that starts happening we become a one on one team, and then were even more piss off cause it looks selfish. We strugggle in this system as a team cause were dont have fast break jump shooting players, yes our roster has guy's that can do that, but the shaky at best.

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3/15/2010  9:35 PM
20 and 7

"in museums, he is allowed to touch the art.."

Toney Douglas IS The Most Interesting Man In The World

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3/15/2010  9:39 PM
misterearl wrote:20 and 7

"in museums, he is allowed to touch the art.."

Toney Douglas IS The Most Interesting Man In The World

Sing it preacher. This is the choir.

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3/16/2010  6:36 AM
the one thing i have noticed is that Toney is pushing the ball up the court much better than in the beginning of the year. Progress.
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3/16/2010  10:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2010  10:25 AM
misterearl wrote:nixluva - Douglas is a work in progress. But the progress is encouraging.

Shift du Crystal Ball

Toney Douglas, see you Las Vegas
Rudy Gay, welcome back to The Garden
Chris Bosh as 6'11 skill forward
David Lee at forward
Danilo Gallinari at center

Wilson Chandler, "stay healthy my friend"
Bill Walker as John Starks
Sergio, until a better lead guard comes along
Al Harrington, maybe
JR Giddens as the baby in the king cake

That's ten

How do we get Rudy, Bosh AND keep Lee? That sounds a bit too pricey, but maybe I am not seeing the forest through the trees. Care to detail it out?
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3/16/2010  11:36 AM
Moonangie - the alternate shift du jour made an adjustment for salary reality that went something like:

Bosh, "positions? ...we don't need no steekin' positions!"
Gallo, develops his mean streak closer to the rack
Gay, becomes a Garden favorite as people chant "Roo-DEE!" every time he touches the ball
McGrady, the natural... until his knees start barking
Douglas, Mr Harry Douglas Sr. smiles and says, "I told you so..."

Pine Brothers:
Chandler, who reports to the scorers table the instant McGrady glances to the sideline
JR Giddens, shocks the beat writers and turns out to be more talented than Bill Walker
Walker, Spree reloaded
Sergio as comic relief until he defends with more tenacity
Bender, the insurance policy

and a center to be named later

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3/16/2010  12:20 PM
Looks better, as long as Roo-Dee doesn't get a max deal. He's solid, but he ain't no Lebron.
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3/16/2010  1:51 PM
Entourage

Moonangie - there is only ONE Lebron. Handshakes, multiple personalities and a crew of homeboys directing his external affairs.

Think of it this way, if you were in the prime of your life, somewhere in your mid-twenties and you had a trusted crew that was down with you since high school. You have done well in your chosen profession and your crew is proving to be both intelligent and hard working in handling your bidness, and fun to hang with. They, and you, are ready to rumble... take it to the next level, as it were. You have the option to work 9 months out of the year anywhere you wanted...

where would you think you crew might want to hang out...

Cleveland or New Yawk City?

You do the math.

Alternate Reality/Fantasy Shift Du Jour

23 Toney Douglas, theme music: "we're a winner" - Curtis Mayfield
3 Tracy McGrady, the natural provides leadership
6 Wise, "all the ladies in the house go OW!"... "OWWWW!"
21 The Mayor, injury free and one year more confident
8 Gallo, see number 6

Pine Brothers

42 David Lee as sixth man in the tradition of Billy Cunningham
5 Bill Walker, Spree - the musical
4 JR Giddens, mentored by Clyde
9 Jon Bender, 6'11 is still 6'11

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3/20/2010  6:54 PM
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Toney Douglas has the extra something the Knicks desperately need. Leadership. He is a winner. Forget the whining over Jordan Hill. If Donnie Walsh had stood pat, the same chicken liver hearted crybabies would be whining about cap space. Deal with it.
But just in case it ALL falls apart and the Knicks are stuck holding a bag of money this July, it won't matter because things can only get better with a year of maturity for our starting 5, all under the age of 25.

"Free Agents?... We Don't Need No Steenkin Free Agents!"...

The Sky Is Fallin' Keepin' It Real Worst Case Scenario Shift Du Jour

23 Toney Douglas is a winner, period
5 Bill Walker as a legit first rounder
insert player to be named later here, (think 6'11 all star Chris Bosh)... a Summer League discovery
21 The Mayor always knocks twice... 17 and 7... book it
8 Gallo, maximizes his off season by honing his low post game and throwing elbows

Pine Brothers

42 David Lee handles the role of sixth man in the tradition of John Havlicek
3 Tracy McGrady, amazingly, discovers the fountain of yoot at 31
4 JR Giddens stays out of trouble and lights it up from outside
00 the one second round selection, out of two, that no one saw coming
9 Jon Bender shocks the world to play well at shooting guard

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3/21/2010  7:42 PM
The fact that Al Harrington did not play down the stretch speaks volumes about the Knicks future.

... which is bright.

the shiftline of Gallo, Lee and Douglas was productive against a good team. McGrady contributed.

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3/22/2010  6:03 PM
Why isn't any one talking about how he loss the game for us, trying to be the hero...he rip a page right out of Al harringtons book
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3/22/2010  6:31 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Why isn't any one talking about how he loss the game for us, trying to be the hero...he rip a page right out of Al harringtons book

Perhaps because he is a rookie picked 29th in the first round who has never been a classic PG and has started all of 10 games in his NBA career.

If he does the same thing on a continual basis after he has played the amount of years Harrington has played, I will make a big deal about his mistakes.

That is why a young player needs game experience, so he can learn from what he has done wrong, come to understand what he can and cannot do, and evolve as a player.


Just a thought.

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3/22/2010  6:54 PM
On Demanding Excellence

knicks1248 - why are you unable to compose a coherent sentence in English?

Toney Douglas is rookie that you are sweating up for "how he loss the game for us"? You want to critique a player for a lack of experience or execution? Cool. The least you can do is make a sincere effort to write with care.

Deal widit.

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