BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:"Sources say the 6-11 Bosh will sign back Toronto"

once again the sources are wrong. He's only 6'10

At the time of the measurement sources say Bosh was due for a hair cut

djsunyc wrote:well it would have to be in the neighborhood of $3 mil so whatever adds up to that.

Why 3M? In order to match salaries? I thought that was not as big of a deal when you have a team with cap space. Can you explain further?

Its good for lee and good for bosh, and ultimatly good for the teams.

TheGame wrote:Well of course they would be interested. Lee would sign for about $4 mill per year less than Bosh and yet he is an all-star. Toronto could replace Bosh with Lee and save $4-$5 mill per year. My main fear is that Walsh is going to give Toronto Chandler, Walker, or some other asset to get the deal done. If I am Walsh, it will be a straight trade of Lee for Bosh. Lee is more compensation that Toronto will get from anyone else. Walsh needs to stop bending over on these deals. We can sign Bosh outright, so we have the leverage. Get er done.

imho, i think toronto plays a little hardball with bosh. if he wants to leave then his agent better find something good in return for agreeing to a s&t. i think toronto would rather lose him for nothing instead of taking on a player they don't want. colangelo has reportedly said if bosh wants to leave, it will have to be via a s&t which would also help the raptors.

so i'll put it to you this way, let's say he wants to go to ny but raptors don't want anything ny hass, then he can either pass up $30 mil or he may go to a second choice team that will give the raptors a better package (like houston).

but all this stuff is unprecedented so we'll see what happens come july. regardless, bosh WILL get his 6 year $130 mil from someone. he's not taking a penny less.

djsunyc wrote:outside of lebron, wade and bosh, who's own team will offer them the max, the knicks can probably outbid for everyone else since those teams won't offer their guys the max. (i.e. joe johnson, carlos boozer, amare, gay, etc.)

Just so you know Boozer, Johnson, and Amare are entitled to 35% of the salary cap while Lebron and Bosh are entitled to 30%. Rudy Gay is entitled to 25% of the salary cap.

Andrew wrote:

djsunyc wrote:well it would have to be in the neighborhood of $3 mil so whatever adds up to that.

Why 3M? In order to match salaries? I thought that was not as big of a deal when you have a team with cap space. Can you explain further?

if the knicks s&t for one guy at a max of 6 years $130 mil, then the money left is not enough to sign another max player at 6 years $130 mil. they will have to get a player asking for less or do a s&t by throwing in another player that makes the difference, which would be almost $3 mil...

Andrew wrote:Wouldn't it work to sign the first free agent outright and then do a sign and trade for the second?

i'm talking about the scenario where they wanted to sign two guys that want 6 years $130.

the knicks can not sign anyone outright for 6 years $130. it has to be via a s&t. they can only sign someone outright to a 5 year deal.

jaydh wrote:i dont see how johnson could justify a max deal in a yr when wade, lebron, bosh will be getting max deals. he is clearly not on their levels.

it may get justified for him if the knicks strike out w lebron and have no other options, they may screw the pooch to land someone, anyone - jj can be that someone, anyone.

djsunyc wrote:

TheGame wrote:Well of course they would be interested. Lee would sign for about $4 mill per year less than Bosh and yet he is an all-star. Toronto could replace Bosh with Lee and save $4-$5 mill per year. My main fear is that Walsh is going to give Toronto Chandler, Walker, or some other asset to get the deal done. If I am Walsh, it will be a straight trade of Lee for Bosh. Lee is more compensation that Toronto will get from anyone else. Walsh needs to stop bending over on these deals. We can sign Bosh outright, so we have the leverage. Get er done.

imho, i think toronto plays a little hardball with bosh. if he wants to leave then his agent better find something good in return for agreeing to a s&t. i think toronto would rather lose him for nothing instead of taking on a player they don't want. colangelo has reportedly said if bosh wants to leave, it will have to be via a s&t which would also help the raptors.

so i'll put it to you this way, let's say he wants to go to ny but raptors don't want anything ny hass, then he can either pass up $30 mil or he may go to a second choice team that will give the raptors a better package (like houston).

but all this stuff is unprecedented so we'll see what happens come july. regardless, bosh WILL get his 6 year $130 mil from someone. he's not taking a penny less.

If we get into a bidding war with Toronto, then I play hardball. The bottomline is we traded away Hill and our draft picks. We have really only Gallo and Chandler as proven young talent. If you give up Lee and Gallo or Lee and Chandler, then this team is going to be very thin. Now if we sign Lebron and Bosh, then you probably could give up Gallo or CHandler because they both are best suited as SFs and Lebron will hold that position down, but I would not give them up just to get Bosh. I mean, if we miss out on Bosh then so what. We resign Lee for $5-$6 million less and move on. We need a center far more than we need a PF and I am not sure Bosh would be the answer as our center. All in all, I am just tired of us bending over in all these deals.

Pharzeone wrote:

TheGame wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

TheGame wrote:Well of course they would be interested. Lee would sign for about $4 mill per year less than Bosh and yet he is an all-star. Toronto could replace Bosh with Lee and save $4-$5 mill per year. My main fear is that Walsh is going to give Toronto Chandler, Walker, or some other asset to get the deal done. If I am Walsh, it will be a straight trade of Lee for Bosh. Lee is more compensation that Toronto will get from anyone else. Walsh needs to stop bending over on these deals. We can sign Bosh outright, so we have the leverage. Get er done.

imho, i think toronto plays a little hardball with bosh. if he wants to leave then his agent better find something good in return for agreeing to a s&t. i think toronto would rather lose him for nothing instead of taking on a player they don't want. colangelo has reportedly said if bosh wants to leave, it will have to be via a s&t which would also help the raptors.

so i'll put it to you this way, let's say he wants to go to ny but raptors don't want anything ny hass, then he can either pass up $30 mil or he may go to a second choice team that will give the raptors a better package (like houston).

but all this stuff is unprecedented so we'll see what happens come july. regardless, bosh WILL get his 6 year $130 mil from someone. he's not taking a penny less.

If we get into a bidding war with Toronto, then I play hardball. The bottomline is we traded away Hill and our draft picks. We have really only Gallo and Chandler as proven young talent. If you give up Lee and Gallo or Lee and Chandler, then this team is going to be very thin. Now if we sign Lebron and Bosh, then you probably could give up Gallo or CHandler because they both are best suited as SFs and Lebron will hold that position down, but I would not give them up just to get Bosh. I mean, if we miss out on Bosh then so what. We resign Lee for $5-$6 million less and move on. We need a center far more than we need a PF and I am not sure Bosh would be the answer as our center. All in all, I am just tired of us bending over in all these deals.

That's why the mission is Lebron or bust. This notion that Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh will be able to lead you to a championship whether league or conference wise is crazy. You can sell the public on surrounding Lebron with another good player and a bunch of role players. I don't see how in the world you can come back to your boss and fanbase and say Joe Johnson at his current age and performance level is the key to running through the east. Is the purpose to get to championship contention level or just have a chance to crack the playoffs? I'm surprise that more people are railing against this notion.