fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Statements like that just show you havent seen many Bucks games.

All Boguts stats are pretty much the same except for his points. 2 years ago he averaged 14 and 10 and we know they weren't in the playoffs and they won 26 games that year. That same year they had Williams and Redd putting up numbers too.

Like I said the Jennings is the difference maker because he enables the team to get easier baskets which means less wear and tear on Bogut during the season.

I have seen a fair about of their games. What I see in Bogut is a guy playing faster and more aggressively on both ends than I have ever seen before. Its just an observation. I'm assuming its because of his health.

Bogut is playing more aggressive because they are in the playoff hunt. His stats arent leaps and bounds better than previous seasons either.

The big issues are his ability to go against strong C's and his total lack of a jumper. The guy is good but some of you guys are reaching because they are winning now.

But I did look up his +/-

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910MIL.HTM

Check it out... he's killing the guys he plays against every night and the Bucks stink when he's off the floor. Kinda tells ya something no?

djsunyc wrote:

Cookdcokehop wrote:

djsunyc wrote:on a side note, there is no reason why the knicks should not be performing like the bucks right now. compare the rosters...if the bucks are playing this way and winning games, there is no excuse for the knicks to be performing in a similar manner.

The difference is their coach preaches defense. I honestly believe if Scott Skiles was our coach we would be the 5th seed in the East right now.

if you play hard defense every night, you can overachieve in the regular season b/c teams don't like it when you play them tough on a night to night basis. and you can win with subpar talent. (and by win, i mean make the playoffs).

it's next to impossible to overachieve with an offensive mindset unless you have big time efficient scorers b/c you just can't score at a high clip every single night.

for the postseason, you need a team that can play defense and has 1 or 2 players that can score at a high level. if you play defense, a team can't counter coach for that in a 7 game series. and if you have 2 big time scorers, their individual play can win those close playoff games.

so you see a team like the bucks and the bobcats go on these good winning runs and probably make the postseason b/c they focus on defense and have enough scoring to win in the regular season. and why d'antoni's offensive minded knicks team can't crack 30 wins. the cats and bucks are not good enough to advance tho b/c they don't have that 1 or 2 big time scorers to win close playoff games.

but it also makes a team like the bobcats and bucks dangerous b/c they need to acquire a scorer or two, which can be found in the league. but a team like the knicks needs to make wholesale changes b/c they need to find 3-4 big time scorers to succeed playing that style.

I disagree. I believe the Bobcats have what it takes to advance. They are a very good defensive team and they have a player and a coach that have already won a championship (Stephen Jackson & Larry Brown). They swept the season series against the Cavs (last game being a blowout). Ever since the Stephen Jackson trade they have been a different team. They remind me of the champion Pistons, not alot of star talent but a great team all together.

nychamp wrote:Bogut can dominate on the defensive end, and has done so this year often. I've forgotten what it's like to have a guy like that on the Knicks. 16/10/2.5 blocks, many shots altered and much paint intimidation vs. opponents.

He's also playing a nice offensive game, nowhere near as versatile and complete as Lee, but he's the best kind of specialized player: a true big who is dominant defensively and very good on offense this year. And oh yeah, playing a major role on a playoff team.

Bogut's season is more impressive.

I think you are severely overrating Bogut. He can block shots and finish well around the rim but the guy disappears against real competition.

Juice wrote:When The Bucks started going a little south after Jennings hot start Bogut was injured and it was stated Jennings needed Bogut bad. Bogut finally appears to be healthy and you have Jennings jock riders trying to discredit Bogut's value to their team and how good a season he's having. I guess because this would kind of be stealing Jennings shine. I think Bogut personally at times can be overrated but he is a solid NBA center no question. You trade Lee for him all day everyday and forgot about what kind of player Bogut is offensively. The trade would be made for one reason and one reason only.

As I pointed out to fishmike his stats aren't much better than they were the year before he was injured. No one is discounting the fact that he is a good center. However, he would NOT fit with what we are trying to do with D'Antoni. He isnt a fast big. He can get up when he gets momentum going to the rim but that isnt his game.

Im no David Lee fan but the guys offensive game at this point is plain sick. Night in night out he abuses guys. David Lee can handle the ball, shoot, finish with either hand, and can finish above the rim. I currently feel David Lee can play PF on any team in the league. I understand his D sucks but I dont see guys like Amare or Boozer playing much D either. Can you imagine Lee if he actually had a PG who could make plays?

AnubisADL wrote:

Juice wrote:When The Bucks started going a little south after Jennings hot start Bogut was injured and it was stated Jennings needed Bogut bad. Bogut finally appears to be healthy and you have Jennings jock riders trying to discredit Bogut's value to their team and how good a season he's having. I guess because this would kind of be stealing Jennings shine. I think Bogut personally at times can be overrated but he is a solid NBA center no question. You trade Lee for him all day everyday and forgot about what kind of player Bogut is offensively. The trade would be made for one reason and one reason only.

As I pointed out to fishmike his stats aren't much better than they were the year before he was injured. No one is discounting the fact that he is a good center. However, he would NOT fit with what we are trying to do with D'Antoni. He isnt a fast big. He can get up when he gets momentum going to the rim but that isnt his game.

Im no David Lee fan but the guys offensive game at this point is plain sick. Night in night out he abuses guys. David Lee can handle the ball, shoot, finish with either hand, and can finish above the rim. I currently feel David Lee can play PF on any team in the league. I understand his D sucks but I dont see guys like Amare or Boozer playing much D either. Can you imagine Lee if he actually had a PG who could make plays?

Oh if I trade for Bogut which I would if we're discussing Lee,I'd fire D'AnToni.....Problem solved.

BRIGGS wrote:

bitty41 wrote:I've been really impressed with what Bogut's done this year. His numbers are solid at 16 and 10 and the Bucks are absolutely doing work right now and look really strong. I think Bogut's defense is leaps and bounds better than Lee. Lee has more physical attributes quickness and athleticism. Of course teams record I had hoped that the Knicks would be where the Bucks are now.

What's everyone thoughts?

If Bogut could stay healthy he is a top 10 player in this league.

No he's not.

Bogut received round-the-clock treatment on Thursday to try to get him ready for the game. He said it has bothered him for a few days and affected him in the Bucks' 101-86 loss to Philadelphia on Wednesday night.

"He's got a mid-back strain, nothing serious," Skiles said. "But it's sore enough that he won't play. Ersan (Ilyasova) is sick today with the flu. He may be able to come later on and possibly play, but I'd say somewhere between probable and doubtful."

The Heat trails the Bucks by two games in the Eastern Conference standings, following Miami's 103-74 rout of the Chicago Bulls on Thursday.

Source: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/89270312.html

Bogut injured for an important game tonight against Miami who is one game behind the Bucks.