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Childs2Dudley
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3/11/2010  3:23 PM
TMS wrote:
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Marv wrote:man i just read through the game thread. so much al hate! have you guys been watching all season? how may times has al been the only player on this team willing to get to the hoop and get nasty? did we want to wait around all game every game for duhon and lee to do their slow motion pick and roll? or wilson chandler to decide to do his 2 or 3 imitations per game of an offensive player? or danilo gallinari to finally get the perfect set up for a wide-open 3? oh i see you guys are still getting starry-eyed thinking back on all those jeffries 3's.

f**k. the guy’s hitting 44% of his shots in canning 18 points in 30 minutes. and kicking in 6 boards 2 assists and a steal. you try doing that when your head looks like a bicycle helmet.

Supporting Al Harrington's game = Don't Understand Basketball

who u calling DUB?

i stand by my statements. al's the only one out there bringing balls on the court every night. his shot was off last night and his minutes have to be managed but most of the other cats on this team only take the very occasional foray to the hoop. that’s why we get so excited every time wilson or danilo do it - because it's few and far between. also watch al's D and watch who's involved whenever there's a physical skirmish under the hoop.

i'm with u Marv... Wilson & Gallo are just as inconsistent as Al & yet they get a pass because they're homegrown guys... sometimes i get annoyed just as much at Gallo when he refuses to be aggressive going to the hole & settles for so many outside J's... when i see a guy like Al taking it strong to the hoop consistently, i can't be mad at him... yeah, he gets out of control & makes boneheaded plays, but u take the good w/the bad when it comes to Al... he doesn't play scared tho, that's for sure... right now i can't say the same for Gallo, who i am still a fan of, but the kid needs to play w/more conviction & stop being so scared of taking charge.

Just because he takes it to the hole doesn't make anything else he does alright. The fact is taking it to the rack is only one step. Being under control is the other. Most of Al's drives are horrendously out of control and end up in either a turnover or a ****ty shot. Not sure how that helps us at all. Let's not forget his awful defense and his terrible shot selection. All of that is pretty much a momentum killer. Example: 2 times yesterday the Knicks caused a Spurs turnover that resulted in one Al airball and another Al turnover within seconds. That doesn't help the team at all. Al is out there for himself, but it's not because of the contract. He's always been like that. Don Nelson traded him because Al thought he was a star player according to him. Nothing he has shown here has dispelled that notion.

As for Chandler and Gallo, others may take it easy on them but I sure do not.

Gallinari seems to be taking pages out of Al's book with some of his shots sometimes. He doesn't play as smart as his basketball IQ is apparently supposed to be. Taking jumpers over George Hill instead of posting up and utilizing that big mismatch is just dumb. The kid still needs a lot of work. He has the skill, he just need to utilize it.

The same goes for Chandler, except Chandler has no basketball IQ at all. Everything he does is on instinct and most of his instincts suck. It also wouldn't hurt if he wasn't allergic to the paint. I don't want to see him finesse his way into the lane. The guy is built like a tank. Play like a man. Utilize that body, it's a strength. Stop taking crappy jumpshots because that's not your game. Especially 3's. Your 3 point percentages suck. Stop taking 3's!

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3/11/2010  3:32 PM
last nite i saw Manu & Duncan screaming at their teammates for missing rotations & they weren't shy about getting into their faces about it... we need guys like that on this team... if we had some leaders who would hold other guys accountable, i think it would do wonders for Wilson & Gallo's games... it's too late for Al, he's already too set in his ways... i don't debate the fact that Al plays selfish ballhogging style ball most of the time... i do recognize some of the positive things he does tho... & i don't think his defense is all that bad actually... he's 1 of the few guys who's actually willing to draw a charge in the paint & has picked up the KT/Malik pull the chair out from under maneuver pretty well... he also keeps his hands busy while being backed down in the paint going for steals, something D Lee never does because he holds his hands way up in the air in fear of drawing a foul.
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3/11/2010  4:31 PM
Guys like al who play hard and dumb should never get a pass, there's no exception for that because scoring 20pts, and turning the ball over and taking horrible shots in the clutch is ridiculous.

Take Robert horry for example, never really did too much during the first 38minutes of a game, but seem to always make massive plays down the stretch, finish with like 10pts 7 rbs, very modest numbers. when you think about Horry now a days all you think about is the big plays down the strecth.

It's a pattern with this team thats pass on to the new comer, not to mention the player friendly MDA system which require's a very high IQ ( especially the pg position).

We look at some of the shot selections taken by this team and we scratch our heads, but it's the system that give's you the freedom, we just have dumb players, inexperience players.

Take for instance last night after gallo's circus shot that manage to drop in, on the very next possesion, i cleary saw them look (couldn't remember if it was al or chandler) off a wide open Tony douglas on the top left side of the 3pt line, and pass to gallo who force up a well contested shot for an airball. I mean this is the type sh..t that happens down the stretch of almost every game, weather we coming back, or leading. The sad part about it is every single player is guilty as charge.

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3/11/2010  4:34 PM
I'm with Marv too. Al takes an inordinate about of hate around here. He plays on a direction-less team with a coach that has his priorites backwards and a healthy appetite for drama.
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3/11/2010  4:41 PM
Marv, early on Al was playing much better he was one of my favorite players... but as the season went on and chances of making the playoffs slipped.. he really changed and started to hog the ball, chuck up bad shots and cost us games.

The dude just picks bad times to jack up threes, do ridiculous spin moves into off balance shots etc
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3/11/2010  10:00 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marv wrote:man i just read through the game thread. so much al hate! have you guys been watching all season? how may times has al been the only player on this team willing to get to the hoop and get nasty? did we want to wait around all game every game for duhon and lee to do their slow motion pick and roll? or wilson chandler to decide to do his 2 or 3 imitations per game of an offensive player? or danilo gallinari to finally get the perfect set up for a wide-open 3? oh i see you guys are still getting starry-eyed thinking back on all those jeffries 3's.

f**k. the guy’s hitting 44% of his shots in canning 18 points in 30 minutes. and kicking in 6 boards 2 assists and a steal. you try doing that when your head looks like a bicycle helmet.

those percentages mean nothing.. With Al, stats mean nothing.. All you have to do is watch the game and you will see that he is a negative sum player... Al is not a scrub, so no one is expecting bad stats, but as a teamate he is a bum... He shoots when he shouldn't, he is a black hole and a disrupter.. shooting percentages or averages won't tell you that.. you just have to watch.. and when you do, you clearly see what I am talking about..

Exactly the point....He makes mistakes that are too costly to just ignore cause he just drop 25, 6, and 3..

I keep telling people, he has a college ball IQ..he's literally the dumbest player on the roster considering how long he's been playing in the NBA..You can all see why nelly was like "dude your a fkng wrench in the spokes"


Nelly put it best" al is a good player who thinks he is a star".....

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3/11/2010  10:08 PM
TMS wrote:
Marv wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
Marv wrote:man i just read through the game thread. so much al hate! have you guys been watching all season? how may times has al been the only player on this team willing to get to the hoop and get nasty? did we want to wait around all game every game for duhon and lee to do their slow motion pick and roll? or wilson chandler to decide to do his 2 or 3 imitations per game of an offensive player? or danilo gallinari to finally get the perfect set up for a wide-open 3? oh i see you guys are still getting starry-eyed thinking back on all those jeffries 3's.

f**k. the guy’s hitting 44% of his shots in canning 18 points in 30 minutes. and kicking in 6 boards 2 assists and a steal. you try doing that when your head looks like a bicycle helmet.

Supporting Al Harrington's game = Don't Understand Basketball

who u calling DUB?

i stand by my statements. al's the only one out there bringing balls on the court every night. his shot was off last night and his minutes have to be managed but most of the other cats on this team only take the very occasional foray to the hoop. that’s why we get so excited every time wilson or danilo do it - because it's few and far between. also watch al's D and watch who's involved whenever there's a physical skirmish under the hoop.

i'm with u Marv... Wilson & Gallo are just as inconsistent as Al & yet they get a pass because they're homegrown guys... sometimes i get annoyed just as much at Gallo when he refuses to be aggressive going to the hole & settles for so many outside J's... when i see a guy like Al taking it strong to the hoop consistently, i can't be mad at him... yeah, he gets out of control & makes boneheaded plays, but u take the good w/the bad when it comes to Al... he doesn't play scared tho, that's for sure... right now i can't say the same for Gallo, who i am still a fan of, but the kid needs to play w/more conviction & stop being so scared of taking charge.

who is talking about inconsistency here? we expect young players to be inconsistent.. that is consistent with young players all around the league.. good, great and bad young players.. you don't expect that out of 8+ year vets want to take as many shots as Al.. so yes, they get a pass. as should most young players..

But with Al it is not inconsistency, but style of play.. He is selfish, delusional and his so called "not playing scared".. well I wish he played scared sometimes.. maybe he would be more cautious as to the shots he takes and not just some free flying , head to the ground whirling madman on skates going to the hoop....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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3/11/2010  10:14 PM
sebstar wrote:I'm with Marv too. Al takes an inordinate about of hate around here. He plays on a direction-less team with a coach that has his priorites backwards and a healthy appetite for drama.

Al is part of the reason this team has no direction.. Al gets the right amount of heat, not hate, but heat.. everyone who criticizes al, says how good of a guy he seems to be, so to call it "hate" is not true.... we all just recognize what this guy is all about.. The very reason don nelson inactivated him is the very reason why most NY fans get upset with Al.. it just seems to be no end to his clownish ways on the court....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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3/11/2010  10:17 PM
i hear what you're saying tkf & i know Al has his warts... but perceptions can quickly change in the right situation... Jamal Crawford is the classic example... dude has been a Godsend to the ATL Hawks & will likely win 6th man of the year honors this year & play in the postseason for the 1st time in his career... tonight he went off for 29 points in 29 minutes while going 9 of 11 from the FT line & led the Hawks to a W... i don't see a bit of difference between Al & Jamal... they both have warts but they are both always ready to step up & take the big shots for their teams in crunchtime, something i wish our young kids Gallo & Wilson would learn how to do... put Al on the Cavs as Lebron's sidekick right now & he would be very valuable for that franchise... he could probably play a similar role as Jamal off the bench for plenty of other contending teams right now too... when you're stuck in a losing situation it's easy to look worthless.
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3/11/2010  10:21 PM
Listen when you have a clown on your team like No Sharrington what kind of defense is there for him......



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3/11/2010  11:30 PM
Al sucks. He will continue to suck until he goes to another team, after which we will see several threads on the board about how awesome he is, and how dumb D'Antoni and Walsh are for 1) Not utilizing him properly and 2) not keeping him on the team.
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3/12/2010  8:09 AM
He's just not that good.
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3/12/2010  11:04 AM
Al has been playing injured and is not getting any credit.
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3/12/2010  1:12 PM
from the posts here slamming Al as a turnover machine, I expected the stats to back you up.

But they don't:

Al - 1.8 TO in 30MPG

Chandler
1.7 TO in 35MPG

David Lee
2.4 TO in 37 MPG

McGrady
2.2 TO in 27 MPG

Give Al an A for effort - yea, is he out of control sometimes? Yes. But not all the time.

Al has 257 FA to David Lee's 252. I would say one of them is not shy about being aggressive.

Does he sometimes become a black hole? Yes - but I think its because he's trying to lead by example.

And it sure would help if MDA ran a more structured offense- for everyone.
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3/12/2010  1:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2010  1:24 PM
fishmike wrote:Al's a jersey boy, so he's cool by default. But dude's a black hole. On a winning team he's pretty good. On a losing team he's the worst kind of player

racist...

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3/12/2010  2:26 PM
fishmike wrote:But dude's a black hole.

sit back and watch like 5-10 atlanta hawks games in a row and tell me what you think about joe johnson.
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3/12/2010  2:26 PM
Juice wrote:


Man, I was ready to kill Al at that moment.. PHUCK! I wish there was video available for that 4th quarter and OT.

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3/12/2010  2:28 PM
skeng wrote:
Juice wrote:

Man, I was ready to kill Al at that moment.. PHUCK! I wish there was video available for that 4th quarter and OT.

found it..

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3/12/2010  3:26 PM
franco12 wrote:from the posts here slamming Al as a turnover machine, I expected the stats to back you up.

But they don't:

Al - 1.8 TO in 30MPG

Chandler
1.7 TO in 35MPG

David Lee
2.4 TO in 37 MPG

McGrady
2.2 TO in 27 MPG

Give Al an A for effort - yea, is he out of control sometimes? Yes. But not all the time.

Al has 257 FA to David Lee's 252. I would say one of them is not shy about being aggressive.

Does he sometimes become a black hole? Yes - but I think its because he's trying to lead by example.

And it sure would help if MDA ran a more structured offense- for everyone.

Good post. Haven't seen his haters address this yet.

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3/12/2010  3:34 PM
sebstar wrote:
franco12 wrote:from the posts here slamming Al as a turnover machine, I expected the stats to back you up.

But they don't:

Al - 1.8 TO in 30MPG

Chandler
1.7 TO in 35MPG

David Lee
2.4 TO in 37 MPG

McGrady
2.2 TO in 27 MPG

Give Al an A for effort - yea, is he out of control sometimes? Yes. But not all the time.

Al has 257 FA to David Lee's 252. I would say one of them is not shy about being aggressive.

Does he sometimes become a black hole? Yes - but I think its because he's trying to lead by example.

And it sure would help if MDA ran a more structured offense- for everyone.

Good post. Haven't seen his haters address this yet.

Because it is far easier to say he's a turn over waiting to happen than actually spend time looking for data to back up your argument.

This is the same mentality that wanted KT gone because he wasn't good enough and once we got rid of him it would be addition by subtraction.
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