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3/10/2010  3:17 PM
nixluva wrote:People are so sure that MDA is in some kind of trouble but I just don't see it! There are so many holes on defense with the roster DW has a hand in building, how can he really blame MDA? I don't know what everyone else sees but I see certain players that always talk on D and they have a plan on the floor but for it to succeed each individual has to hold their position. The breakdowns in rotation or not fighting over picks like Nate used to do is what kills the D.

Watching the Hawks game you saw a knick team defending and even tho they lacked any real size inside you saw effort and team D. I can understand why MDA would take offense to someone trying to force a defensive coach on him. He's a prideful man and no one wants to be basically embarrassed like that. Not when you think you can handle it. It's never a bad idea to add a helpful assistant to your staff but maybe Kerr just rubbed him the wrong way. Maybe the Shaq situation had something to do with it too. Kerr was trying to completely change the style of play. Funny that they abandoned that plan and have gone back to the MDA approach.

Anyway we don't need some guru. We need better players and better balance on the roster. You get a group of guys that are all good man defenders at their position and you'll see a better defensive team. We only have a couple of guys that can stay with their man and that forces us to play a switching defense that gets killed. The last game I saw more effort and help from the knicks. The help came fast and hard whenever a Hawk put the ball on the floor.

No we need better help defenders, and a franchise player thats a really good defender

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3/10/2010  3:17 PM
franco12 wrote:Fish- good point about Herb. how do we know whether he has been instumental or not with Lee's offensive development.

of course, I thought Herb played defense back in the day.


for all we know Herb is the main guy that shape a 30th pick who was a garbage hustle guy into a point forward type who gets you 20/12/3-4 assists and shoots 55%. But people on this site can say the guy is garbage. Comment on what you see.
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3/10/2010  5:18 PM
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franco12 wrote:Fish- good point about Herb. how do we know whether he has been instumental or not with Lee's offensive development.

of course, I thought Herb played defense back in the day.


for all we know Herb is the main guy that shape a 30th pick who was a garbage hustle guy into a point forward type who gets you 20/12/3-4 assists and shoots 55%. But people on this site can say the guy is garbage. Comment on what you see.

Good point, Fish. Herb is responsible for the Center and PF. Lee has turned out great.
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3/11/2010  1:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2010  1:11 AM
Mike D'Antoni backs New York Knicks coaching staff amid Donnie Walsh's concern over team's struggles

BY Frank Isola
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Wednesday, March 10th 2010, 9:15 PM


SAN ANTONIO - A defiant Mike D'Antoni vowed Wednesday that he won't make changes to his Knicks coaching staff.

"We're not throwing anybody under the bus," D'Antoni said. "That's not going to happen."

The question about making changes on the bench was posed to D'Antoni by a reporter and not by Donnie Walsh. The Knicks president has given no indication that he wants to revamp D'Antoni's staff.

However, sources close to the Knicks president say that Walsh is concerned about the team's defensive woes. The best way to solve the problem is to acquire defensive-minded players. But the culture also needs to change, and yesterday D'Antoni, who has a reputation for being rigid, made it clear that his system works.

With the Knicks on pace for a second straight 50-loss season under D'Antoni and the team struggling defensively, the assumption is that the defensive-minded Walsh will want to address the issue during the offseason.

One possibility is hiring a defensive coach, which doesn't necessarily mean that one of the current assistant coaches - Dan D'Antoni, Herb Williams, Phil Weber or Kenny Atkinson - will lose his job.

But the mere suggestion of making changes to his staff clearly annoyed D'Antoni. When asked about possibly changing the style of play, D'Antoni answered, "No." As for the coaching staff, he said: "No. No thought whatsoever. And there will be none."

Three years ago, D'Antoni had a similar response when Phoenix GM Steve Kerr suggested that D'Antoni, then the Suns coach, focus more on the defensive end.

At the time, D'Antoni was averaging 58 wins per year as Suns coach. However, his star has fallen considerably in New York and he may not have the leverage to fight Walsh over a personnel decision.

Walsh canceled his scouting trip at the Big East tournament to accompany the Knicks on their five-game road trip that began here Wednesday night. Walsh said that the purpose of his trip is to evaluate the team.

Walsh hired D'Antoni knowing that the coach's forte is offense. And yet Walsh's history suggests he favors a more traditional style of play, and he may feel he has to go outside the organization to bring in a coach to preach defense.

D'Antoni's older brother, Dan, is regarded as the Knicks' top defensive coach
. Mike D'Antoni hired Dan and Weber from the Phoenix Suns while Atkinson, a Long Island product, was hired from the Houston Rockets. Williams was on Isiah Thomas' staff and has been a Knicks assistant since Jeff Van Gundy resigned in December of 2001.

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3/11/2010  1:12 AM
Pharzeone wrote:Mike D'Antoni backs New York Knicks coaching staff amid Donnie Walsh's concern over team's struggles

BY Frank Isola
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Wednesday, March 10th 2010, 9:15 PM


SAN ANTONIO - A defiant Mike D'Antoni vowed Wednesday that he won't make changes to his Knicks coaching staff.

"We're not throwing anybody under the bus," D'Antoni said. "That's not going to happen."

The question about making changes on the bench was posed to D'Antoni by a reporter and not by Donnie Walsh. The Knicks president has given no indication that he wants to revamp D'Antoni's staff.

However, sources close to the Knicks president say that Walsh is concerned about the team's defensive woes. The best way to solve the problem is to acquire defensive-minded players. But the culture also needs to change, and yesterday D'Antoni, who has a reputation for being rigid, made it clear that his system works.

With the Knicks on pace for a second straight 50-loss season under D'Antoni and the team struggling defensively, the assumption is that the defensive-minded Walsh will want to address the issue during the offseason.

One possibility is hiring a defensive coach, which doesn't necessarily mean that one of the current assistant coaches - Dan D'Antoni, Herb Williams, Phil Weber or Kenny Atkinson - will lose his job.

But the mere suggestion of making changes to his staff clearly annoyed D'Antoni. When asked about possibly changing the style of play, D'Antoni answered, "No." As for the coaching staff, he said: "No. No thought whatsoever. And there will be none."

Three years ago, D'Antoni had a similar response when Phoenix GM Steve Kerr suggested that D'Antoni, then the Suns coach, focus more on the defensive end.

At the time, D'Antoni was averaging 58 wins per year as Suns coach. However, his star has fallen considerably in New York and he may not have the leverage to fight Walsh over a personnel decision.

Walsh canceled his scouting trip at the Big East tournament to accompany the Knicks on their five-game road trip that began here Wednesday night. Walsh said that the purpose of his trip is to evaluate the team.

Walsh hired D'Antoni knowing that the coach's forte is offense. And yet Walsh's history suggests he favors a more traditional style of play, and he may feel he has to go outside the organization to bring in a coach to preach defense.

D'Antoni's older brother, Dan, is regarded as the Knicks' top defensive coach
. Mike D'Antoni hired Dan and Weber from the Phoenix Suns while Atkinson, a Long Island product, was hired from the Houston Rockets. Williams was on Isiah Thomas' staff and has been a Knicks assistant since Jeff Van Gundy resigned in December of 2001.

Like I said this man's ego will not allow him to change. He doesnt like to be told who to play or how to play.

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3/11/2010  1:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2010  1:16 AM
Just smh. How do you make your stand after this type of season?

This will not end well.

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3/11/2010  1:18 AM
Mike is a clown. I don't think the dude realizes the kind of hit his reputation will take if he ends up getting fired for the 2nd time because he refused to hire defensive assistants. We don't need a one-trick pony coach.
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3/11/2010  1:51 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Mike is a clown. I don't think the dude realizes the kind of hit his reputation will take if he ends up getting fired for the 2nd time because he refused to hire defensive assistants. We don't need a one-trick pony coach.

The guy coached a team that went to the WCF's twice. How do you do that while not playing D in the most dominant conference at that time? Not every team is gonna grind out wins with pure D. Some teams are more slanted towards offense, but still play D. That's what MDA's teams did and when we bring in more talented 2 way players and some shotblocking help I think this team will be able to win with this coaching staff.

This team hasn't played consistent D in A decade. It's time for a change of the type of players we bring in. Once we build a good and balanced roster then we'll know what MDA can or can't do.

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3/11/2010  12:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2010  12:04 PM
nixluva wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Mike is a clown. I don't think the dude realizes the kind of hit his reputation will take if he ends up getting fired for the 2nd time because he refused to hire defensive assistants. We don't need a one-trick pony coach.

The guy coached a team that went to the WCF's twice. How do you do that while not playing D in the most dominant conference at that time? Not every team is gonna grind out wins with pure D. Some teams are more slanted towards offense, but still play D. That's what MDA's teams did and when we bring in more talented 2 way players and some shotblocking help I think this team will be able to win with this coaching staff.

This team hasn't played consistent D in A decade. It's time for a change of the type of players we bring in. Once we build a good and balanced roster then we'll know what MDA can or can't do.

while i agree w/u that this team will never be a good defensive team until we bring in defensive minded players, it has to concern u that MDA has historically shunned implementing a defensive scheme on any team he's coached, & this season he has mysteriously refused to make full use of his defensively inclined players Darko, Jordan Hill, Hughes & until just recently, Toney Douglas... the only player he's tried to feature has been Fishlips & that's only because he wanted so desperately to try & pump up his trade value before the trade deadline... for a team completely lacking in any defensive intensity, it would seem to make sense to utilize players like this more into your overall scheme to achieve some sort of overall balance.

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3/11/2010  1:23 PM
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franco12 wrote:Fish- good point about Herb. how do we know whether he has been instumental or not with Lee's offensive development.

of course, I thought Herb played defense back in the day.


for all we know Herb is the main guy that shape a 30th pick who was a garbage hustle guy into a point forward type who gets you 20/12/3-4 assists and shoots 55%. But people on this site can say the guy is garbage. Comment on what you see.

I would never say Herb is garbage, because I honestly have no idea what he does. Given the fact that he has managed to talk his way into a life-time NBA assistant job, I would say he is the smartest coach we have. I bet you he would not have been sticking with Duhon while Douglas sat.

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3/11/2010  2:11 PM
D’Antoni could leave instead of change
By Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports Apr 30, 2008 9:14 am EDT


SAN ANTONIO – The ball, along with the Phoenix Suns’ season, floated just two fingertips away, and Steve Nash stretched out only to find his old nemesis, Bruce Bowen, had once again beaten him to both. Bowen deflected the pass enough to glance off Nash’s hands out of bounds. Nash pleaded with an official, but it didn’t matter.

For the Suns, their season was done, their seven seconds were up.

By the time Tuesday night had begun to bleed into Wednesday morning, the Suns were exchanging hugs with the San Antonio Spurs and walking off the AT&T Center floor, trudging into an uncertain future. Once again, the Spurs had taught the Suns that defense wins. This time, the Spurs had done more than close out the teams’ first-round series with a 92-87 Game 5 victory; they very well may have closed out this chapter of the Suns’ go-go-go era altogether.

Even before Tuesday’s tipoff one member of coach Mike D’Antoni’s staff said he didn’t see any way his boss would return next season, regardless of whether Phoenix won the game or even miraculously recovered to win the series. D’Antoni, he said, was too upset, too proud to come back because he thought the franchise’s front office no longer supported him. One assistant coach was already talking about landing a spot on another team’s staff. Within two hours of the game’s end, Sports Illustrated’s veteran NBA reporter Jack McCallum, who spent a season with D’Antoni to write the book Seven Seconds Or Less… reported that D’Antoni would leave the team.

D’Antoni told reporters in Phoenix on Wednesday that he hasn’t made a decision on his future.

The Suns don’t want to fire D’Antoni, if for no other reason than they don’t want to pay the remaining $8 million-plus he has on his contract. But one franchise source said team officials would demand changes from D’Antoni if he were to come back. They want him to make defense a greater priority. They could even set a minimum for how much time he would have to devote to it at each practice. They want him to hold his players more accountable. They also could ask him to make changes or additions to his staff.

Late Tuesday, Suns GM Steve Kerr would say only that he planned to meet with D’Antoni. “We do have some things,” Kerr said, “that we need to discuss.”

Tops on that list: philosophy. D’Antoni has stubbornly insisted that his system works, and considering he has a 232-96 record with the Suns, it’s hard to argue otherwise. But the Suns also have now lost to the Spurs in the playoffs in three of the past four seasons, so that same system obviously doesn’t appear to be working against the team’s biggest rival. Kerr has never wavered in his belief that the Suns won’t win a championship until they become a better defensive team. When I talked with him in November, he made that point very clear.

“I think defensively we’ve got to improve,” Kerr said then. “We make strides, but it’s sort of one step forward, two steps back sometimes. When our focus and our attention is there, we can be really good…but it’s sort of sporadic. We’ve got to get more consistent defensively. Again, I think it’s attention to detail.”

Asked Tuesday night what he thought proved to be the difference in the series, Kerr was succinct in his answer: “Attention to detail.”

That was evident in the final 1 minute, 14 seconds of Tuesday’s game. Clinging to a one-point lead, the Spurs picked up their defense and forced Phoenix into three turnovers: Robert Horry stripped the ball from Nash; Boris Diaw threw away a pass out of a double team; and Nash couldn’t corral Raja Bell’s pass after their inbounds play disintegrated.

Tim Duncan’s three-pointer at the end of the first OT of Game 1 is credited with changing the entire complexion of the series, and it did. But Duncan would have never had the opportunity to take that shot had Michael Finley not also made a three-pointer in the closing seconds of regulation. And Finley likely wouldn’t have been open to shoot had Leandro Barbosa and Amare Stoudemire properly switched on the Spurs’ pick-and-roll. Here’s one reason why they may have failed to switch: The Suns don’t work on it much in practice.

“They beat us with the intangibles, they beat us with the little things, they beat us with the gamesmanship, they beat us with the attention to detail, the game plan, doing all the little things that win games,” Bell said. “That’s why they’re the champs.

“We’re just as good if not better than them as a talent, and as a physical team, but they were way ahead of us mentally. That’s a tough pill to swallow, that somebody outsmarted you, outwitted you.”

It’s even tougher considering these Suns were specifically built to beat the Spurs. They gambled their season on Shaquille O’Neal, and the Spurs spent the entire series exploiting him. San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich sent O’Neal to the free-throw line time and again with his Hack-A-Shaq strategy, culminating with O’Neal’s painful 9-of-20 showing in Game 5. D’Antoni downplayed the strategy’s impact, but Nash admitted the Suns’ offense was disrupted.

O’Neal also isn’t any better a pick-and-roll defender than Nash, and Tony Parker took advantage of both, averaging just under 30 points for the series. His 41-point performance in Game 3 proved to be Phoenix’s undoing, and at least two Suns starters were stunned by the team’s lack of an in-game adjustment. D’Antoni found some help by starting Boris Diaw the final two games and the Suns began aggressively herding Parker and Manu Ginobili into their help defense. By then, though, the Suns were in too big of a hole.

Suns owner Robert Sarver was the first to suggest trading for O’Neal, but D’Antoni quickly warmed to it and the two eventually sold Kerr on the idea. In truth, the Suns weren’t going to win a championship with Shawn Marion; Nash and D’Antoni had both tired of him. But even when Kerr and D’Antoni sat side by side at the February news conference trumpeting the trade, the disconnect between them was obvious. Kerr said then he thought the Suns had only a “puncher’s chance” of winning the title the way they were presently constructed. D’Antoni looked miffed and said he thought the Suns could have won with his small-ball system even if he also thought O’Neal would make them better.

The rift between coach and GM began three months earlier in an early season meeting when Kerr suggested D’Antoni post up Stoudemire more often. D’Antoni bristled and told Kerr not to tell him how to coach offense. Over time, one source said, the coaching staff grew to distrust Kerr and assistant GM Vinny Del Negro.

It’s telling that both Kerr and Del Negro played under Popovich, who has long had one edict for his team: You defend or you don’t play. Kerr also played for Phil Jackson in Chicago, and both coaches are among the best at keeping their players accountable. Said one former Sun who played for D’Antoni: “Mike just doesn’t like confrontation.”

For too long, D’Antoni allowed the Suns to make too many excuses for their struggles against the Spurs. Kerr has rightfully tried to change that culture. When O’Neal complained that the Spurs won Game 1 only because of their flopping, Kerr quickly countered by saying the Suns needed to get rid of their “persecution complex.” After the Game 2 loss, Nash and D’Antoni said the Suns need only improve their offense. Kerr insisted defense was the problem.

Nash still thinks D’Antoni “deserves a chance to coach this team.” Nash also faulted himself for the loss, as well he should. With the Suns often running their offense through Diaw, he missed 12 of his 16 shots.

But Stoudemire made it a point to praise the Spurs three times Tuesday night for being “well-coached.” He also didn’t seem happy that the Suns had leaned their offense toward his French teammate. “Even though your style may change a little bit, you should still have your same go-to guy,” Stoudemire said. “That shouldn’t change at all. That’s what the Spurs have.”

Despite any shortcomings, D’Antoni remains an excellent coach. Dallas and Toronto could soon get in line with Chicago and New York to talk to him if he becomes a free agent. At least a couple of those teams also could offer a brighter future than Phoenix. Nash and O’Neal are both on the decline and the Suns are capped out to the point that they have few tradable assets aside from Barbosa and the No. 15 pick.

Kerr could face another substantial hurdle: If D’Antoni leaves, he’ll have to find a replacement. Kerr said earlier this season he would like to coach once his children get older, and he likely will stick to that timetable. Some of his friends tried to talk to him out of taking the GM’s job; they’ll do the same if he expresses even the slightest interest in coaching now.

But whether GM or coach, Kerr has made one thing clear: Under him these Suns will learn to defend.

D’Antoni? For the third time in four years, his seven seconds again up, even he was forced to admit the obvious.

“We went up against a team,” he said, “that knows how to win.”

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3/11/2010  2:53 PM
Wow, that article sounds just like what we have seen with MDA. The dude is flawed. At some point, he needs to realize that he needs a defensive spacialist. Hey, Phil Jackson had Tex Winters, who developed his offense. MDA needs a defensive, Tex Winters to develop a defensive philosophy that works and he needs to push these players harder and hold them accountable to details. LIke Bell said, that is the difference between winning and losing. This team has talent, but how many games have we lost in the final 3 minutes. We easily could have 33-34 wins if the players paid more attention to execution on offense and defense. That is on MDA and it does not sound like he is going to change.
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3/11/2010  2:56 PM
There are few things worse for a team than an overconfident and arrogant coach who's in denial about his shortcomings. His inability to communicate is also noteworthy and discouraging.
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TheGame wrote:Wow, that article sounds just like what we have seen with MDA. The dude is flawed. At some point, he needs to realize that he needs a defensive spacialist. Hey, Phil Jackson had Tex Winters, who developed his offense. MDA needs a defensive, Tex Winters to develop a defensive philosophy that works and he needs to push these players harder and hold them accountable to details. LIke Bell said, that is the difference between winning and losing. This team has talent, but how many games have we lost in the final 3 minutes. We easily could have 33-34 wins if the players paid more attention to execution on offense and defense. That is on MDA and it does not sound like he is going to change.

i like ragging on d'antoni b/c it's fun...but it's more b/c i am d'issapointed. i wanted him to coach the raptors and thought he was a good guy to have on the sidelines for the right team. and he still is for a team that's looking to play an exciting style and sell tickets.

but it's become more and more apparent that maybe he's not the right guy to get a team to the promiseland. if the knicks land 2 big time guys...like big time guys...having d'antoni around *could* be a detriment and waste a few years as they might be better off with someone that stresses defense first and a more traditional style of play. i think the 2 max FA objective is hopefully in place to get to elite level. you will win a ton of games if that happens and d'antoni's the coach...but you may fall short of the ultimate goal. and that's a wasted year imho.

i thought the raja bell quotes were very telling.

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D’Antoni could leave instead of change
By Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports Apr 30, 2008 9:14 am EDT


SAN ANTONIO – The ball, along with the Phoenix Suns’ season, floated just two fingertips away, and Steve Nash stretched out only to find his old nemesis, Bruce Bowen, had once again beaten him to both. Bowen deflected the pass enough to glance off Nash’s hands out of bounds. Nash pleaded with an official, but it didn’t matter.

For the Suns, their season was done, their seven seconds were up.

By the time Tuesday night had begun to bleed into Wednesday morning, the Suns were exchanging hugs with the San Antonio Spurs and walking off the AT&T Center floor, trudging into an uncertain future. Once again, the Spurs had taught the Suns that defense wins. This time, the Spurs had done more than close out the teams’ first-round series with a 92-87 Game 5 victory; they very well may have closed out this chapter of the Suns’ go-go-go era altogether.

Even before Tuesday’s tipoff one member of coach Mike D’Antoni’s staff said he didn’t see any way his boss would return next season, regardless of whether Phoenix won the game or even miraculously recovered to win the series. D’Antoni, he said, was too upset, too proud to come back because he thought the franchise’s front office no longer supported him. One assistant coach was already talking about landing a spot on another team’s staff. Within two hours of the game’s end, Sports Illustrated’s veteran NBA reporter Jack McCallum, who spent a season with D’Antoni to write the book Seven Seconds Or Less… reported that D’Antoni would leave the team.

D’Antoni told reporters in Phoenix on Wednesday that he hasn’t made a decision on his future.

The Suns don’t want to fire D’Antoni, if for no other reason than they don’t want to pay the remaining $8 million-plus he has on his contract. But one franchise source said team officials would demand changes from D’Antoni if he were to come back. They want him to make defense a greater priority. They could even set a minimum for how much time he would have to devote to it at each practice. They want him to hold his players more accountable. They also could ask him to make changes or additions to his staff.

Late Tuesday, Suns GM Steve Kerr would say only that he planned to meet with D’Antoni. “We do have some things,” Kerr said, “that we need to discuss.”

Tops on that list: philosophy. D’Antoni has stubbornly insisted that his system works, and considering he has a 232-96 record with the Suns, it’s hard to argue otherwise. But the Suns also have now lost to the Spurs in the playoffs in three of the past four seasons, so that same system obviously doesn’t appear to be working against the team’s biggest rival. Kerr has never wavered in his belief that the Suns won’t win a championship until they become a better defensive team. When I talked with him in November, he made that point very clear.

“I think defensively we’ve got to improve,” Kerr said then. “We make strides, but it’s sort of one step forward, two steps back sometimes. When our focus and our attention is there, we can be really good…but it’s sort of sporadic. We’ve got to get more consistent defensively. Again, I think it’s attention to detail.”

Asked Tuesday night what he thought proved to be the difference in the series, Kerr was succinct in his answer: “Attention to detail.”

That was evident in the final 1 minute, 14 seconds of Tuesday’s game. Clinging to a one-point lead, the Spurs picked up their defense and forced Phoenix into three turnovers: Robert Horry stripped the ball from Nash; Boris Diaw threw away a pass out of a double team; and Nash couldn’t corral Raja Bell’s pass after their inbounds play disintegrated.

Tim Duncan’s three-pointer at the end of the first OT of Game 1 is credited with changing the entire complexion of the series, and it did. But Duncan would have never had the opportunity to take that shot had Michael Finley not also made a three-pointer in the closing seconds of regulation. And Finley likely wouldn’t have been open to shoot had Leandro Barbosa and Amare Stoudemire properly switched on the Spurs’ pick-and-roll. Here’s one reason why they may have failed to switch: The Suns don’t work on it much in practice.

“They beat us with the intangibles, they beat us with the little things, they beat us with the gamesmanship, they beat us with the attention to detail, the game plan, doing all the little things that win games,” Bell said. “That’s why they’re the champs.

“We’re just as good if not better than them as a talent, and as a physical team, but they were way ahead of us mentally. That’s a tough pill to swallow, that somebody outsmarted you, outwitted you.”

It’s even tougher considering these Suns were specifically built to beat the Spurs. They gambled their season on Shaquille O’Neal, and the Spurs spent the entire series exploiting him. San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich sent O’Neal to the free-throw line time and again with his Hack-A-Shaq strategy, culminating with O’Neal’s painful 9-of-20 showing in Game 5. D’Antoni downplayed the strategy’s impact, but Nash admitted the Suns’ offense was disrupted.

O’Neal also isn’t any better a pick-and-roll defender than Nash, and Tony Parker took advantage of both, averaging just under 30 points for the series. His 41-point performance in Game 3 proved to be Phoenix’s undoing, and at least two Suns starters were stunned by the team’s lack of an in-game adjustment. D’Antoni found some help by starting Boris Diaw the final two games and the Suns began aggressively herding Parker and Manu Ginobili into their help defense. By then, though, the Suns were in too big of a hole.

Suns owner Robert Sarver was the first to suggest trading for O’Neal, but D’Antoni quickly warmed to it and the two eventually sold Kerr on the idea. In truth, the Suns weren’t going to win a championship with Shawn Marion; Nash and D’Antoni had both tired of him. But even when Kerr and D’Antoni sat side by side at the February news conference trumpeting the trade, the disconnect between them was obvious. Kerr said then he thought the Suns had only a “puncher’s chance” of winning the title the way they were presently constructed. D’Antoni looked miffed and said he thought the Suns could have won with his small-ball system even if he also thought O’Neal would make them better.

The rift between coach and GM began three months earlier in an early season meeting when Kerr suggested D’Antoni post up Stoudemire more often. D’Antoni bristled and told Kerr not to tell him how to coach offense. Over time, one source said, the coaching staff grew to distrust Kerr and assistant GM Vinny Del Negro.

It’s telling that both Kerr and Del Negro played under Popovich, who has long had one edict for his team: You defend or you don’t play. Kerr also played for Phil Jackson in Chicago, and both coaches are among the best at keeping their players accountable. Said one former Sun who played for D’Antoni: “Mike just doesn’t like confrontation.”

For too long, D’Antoni allowed the Suns to make too many excuses for their struggles against the Spurs. Kerr has rightfully tried to change that culture. When O’Neal complained that the Spurs won Game 1 only because of their flopping, Kerr quickly countered by saying the Suns needed to get rid of their “persecution complex.” After the Game 2 loss, Nash and D’Antoni said the Suns need only improve their offense. Kerr insisted defense was the problem.

Nash still thinks D’Antoni “deserves a chance to coach this team.” Nash also faulted himself for the loss, as well he should. With the Suns often running their offense through Diaw, he missed 12 of his 16 shots.

But Stoudemire made it a point to praise the Spurs three times Tuesday night for being “well-coached.” He also didn’t seem happy that the Suns had leaned their offense toward his French teammate. “Even though your style may change a little bit, you should still have your same go-to guy,” Stoudemire said. “That shouldn’t change at all. That’s what the Spurs have.”

Despite any shortcomings, D’Antoni remains an excellent coach. Dallas and Toronto could soon get in line with Chicago and New York to talk to him if he becomes a free agent. At least a couple of those teams also could offer a brighter future than Phoenix. Nash and O’Neal are both on the decline and the Suns are capped out to the point that they have few tradable assets aside from Barbosa and the No. 15 pick.

Kerr could face another substantial hurdle: If D’Antoni leaves, he’ll have to find a replacement. Kerr said earlier this season he would like to coach once his children get older, and he likely will stick to that timetable. Some of his friends tried to talk to him out of taking the GM’s job; they’ll do the same if he expresses even the slightest interest in coaching now.

But whether GM or coach, Kerr has made one thing clear: Under him these Suns will learn to defend.

D’Antoni? For the third time in four years, his seven seconds again up, even he was forced to admit the obvious.

“We went up against a team,” he said, “that knows how to win.”

very telling article right there on MDA... this guy just refuses to change & listen to anyone else... he's so stuck on the idea that he has come up with this genius system that can win championships even tho it's been proven that it can't even with a great roster... i have a feeling this guy will be fired in a year's time.

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djsunyc wrote:“I think defensively we’ve got to improve,” Kerr said then. “We make strides, but it’s sort of one step forward, two steps back sometimes. When our focus and our attention is there, we can be really good…but it’s sort of sporadic. We’ve got to get more consistent defensively. Again, I think it’s attention to detail.”

Asked Tuesday night what he thought proved to be the difference in the series, Kerr was succinct in his answer: “Attention to detail.”


Djsunyc, that was a very good read. I found it very informative as to all the principles involved during that last year in PHX. One thing stuck out to me besides the valid critique of MDA's coaching. Kerr has failed to bring in or change the situation in PHX since he got there. In fact he's gone back on his moves to try and get tougher defensively in that when he brought in KT and then later Shaq, he hasn't done much of anything else since then to solve the issue with Amare being such a poor defender inside. Amare is really full of crap cuz he's one of the biggest reasons the team wasn't better defensively. Shaq was never going to help against a pick n roll and has notoriously been horrible defending it. That move only made the Suns weaker defensively. So now you have Nash at the top who isn't a good defender and Shaq as well. That tandem gets killed on the pick n roll. Kerr tho is has changed coaches and all that and still where is the commitment to D that he's been so focused on changing for 3 years now? Have the Suns improved under Kerr in any way in terms of Defense?

TEAM	PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	FG%
New York 104.8 40.4 84.3 .480 415 1195 .347 17.5 23.0 .758 1.24 .518

TEAM	PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	FG%
Phoenix 106.1 39.8 87.5 .455 452 1257 .360 19.5 25.6 .762 1.21 .495

I will say that once we actually tighten up our interior D that we'll end up being better than PHX on D and that along with a more efficient offense will help this team to win games. I think PHX being a more efficient offense and at least having some shotblocking is what has allowed them to win despite not having a great defense. Because we allow teams to just run wild in the paint. We hold teams down in terms of 3pt% but from everywhere else teams have it easy.

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"We're not throwing anybody under the bus," D'Antoni said. "That's not going to happen."

nope... no coaches get thrown under the bus on MDA's watch... only players.

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"We're not throwing anybody under the bus," D'Antoni said. "That's not going to happen."

nope... no coaches get thrown under the bus on MDA's watch... only players.

We are talking about Darko, Nate and Hughes for the most part. Eddy hasn't really been 100% long enough to count. I can't bash MDA over those guys, when there were valid reasons for each to be on the bench for periods of time this year. If you wanna bash him over the Hill and TD limited playing time so be it, but come on about those other 3. Darko played like a dog, Hughes got his chance but was awful when he came back from injury and Nate acted like a fool and it finally reached the boiling point. This is in a coaches prerogative to make a decision on who he wants to play. He had his reasons no matter if we agree, he was within his rights to play the guys he felt would fit what he was trying to do at that time.

MDA has also been pretty darn loyal and defended guys to the hilt, so i'm sure those players don't have the same issue with the coach. Like MDA says, the guys that play will love you and the guys stuck on the bench will hate you.

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MDA has been insanely loyal but only to his guys... Duhon, Fishlips, Bender & D Lee could do no wrong in his eyes this year... never heard him utter a single critical word about any of them all year until Duhon & Bender's struggles became so blatantly obvious even MDA had to address the issue w/the benchings way beyond the point of effectiveness when the season had already been lost.

Nate, Hughes & Darko were given the shaft at the first sign of not playing up to his "system" standards this season... MDA has also put the onus of blame on his players for not fouling in late game situations that cost us the game on more than 1 occasion this season... he has no problem whatsoever in laying blame at the door of players who are outside his inner circle of trust... i find his comments about not throwing anyone under the bus just more of his usual bullsheit.

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TMS wrote:MDA has been insanely loyal but only to his guys... Duhon, Fishlips, Bender & D Lee could do no wrong in his eyes this year... never heard him utter a single critical word about any of them all year until Duhon & Bender's struggles became so blatantly obvious even MDA had to address the issue w/the benchings way beyond the point of effectiveness when the season had already been lost.

Nate, Hughes & Darko were given the shaft at the first sign of not playing up to his "system" standards this season... MDA has also put the onus of blame on his players for not fouling in late game situations that cost us the game on more than 1 occasion this season... he has no problem whatsoever in laying blame at the door of players who are outside his inner circle of trust... i find his comments about not throwing anyone under the bus just more of his usual bullsheit.

This is normal coach behavior tho. LB, PHil, Riley heck MDA is in good company when it comes to this kind of thing. I understand what you're saying, but is it really that outside of the norm for coaches to talk out of both sides of their mouths on certain issues or to have favorites on their teams, even when they say that they aren't doing that? I just think you're holding MDA up to a standard that MOST coaches don't live up to. Especially the big ego coaches.

The Don ready to bring in defensive assistants?

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