JohnWallace44 wrote:Any starting lineup with Gallo in it is a joke. The guy has had a handful of promising games and the rest have been pretty terrible for a pick at his level.

Isnt this considered Gallo's rookie year? Dude has a lot to learn. He's not consistant at all, like a lot of rookies. Are we really doubting he's not a starter in this league?

And yes.. teams with dominant big men dont lose 70 games. They are rarely sub .500, because nobody changes the game like a dominant post presence. Lopez's team sucks, and yes he's a turtle. He is probably one of the top 5 slowest players in the league. He's a complimentary player. When the Nets have Amare and John Wall everyone will say wow, look at how good Lopez is.

Also I have never covered up for the management's inept moves. Never. Saying Gallo is starter is a cover up? I see Gallo as a good player with a lot of potential. Thats it. I like Lopez in his role. He's a good player with good value. People make him out like we missed out on the next great big man. He's not.

It amazes me how Lee gets killed for padded stats etc. but not drafting Brook Lopez set our franchise pack a decade.

I could post the stats of how overrated Lopez is but I would recommend just watching him play (youtube highlights dont count)

Pharzeone wrote:

fishmike wrote:wait.. so Gallo's stats should be better playing next to Lee?

Isnt this considered Gallo's rookie year? Dude has a lot to learn. He's not consistant at all, like a lot of rookies. Are we really doubting he's not a starter in this league?

And yes.. teams with dominant big men dont lose 70 games. They are rarely sub .500, because nobody changes the game like a dominant post presence. Lopez's team sucks, and yes he's a turtle. He is probably one of the top 5 slowest players in the league. He's a complimentary player. When the Nets have Amare and John Wall everyone will say wow, look at how good Lopez is.

Also I have never covered up for the management's inept moves. Never. Saying Gallo is starter is a cover up? I see Gallo as a good player with a lot of potential. Thats it. I like Lopez in his role. He's a good player with good value. People make him out like we missed out on the next great big man. He's not.

It amazes me how Lee gets killed for padded stats etc. but not drafting Brook Lopez set our franchise pack a decade.

I could post the stats of how overrated Lopez is but I would recommend just watching him play (youtube highlights dont count)

No this is not his rookie year, it's his sophomore year, that's why he played on the sophomore team. I watch Net games and Lopez is not padding his stats as much as you want to suggest. He doesn't bring the ball up the court. He doesn't handle the ball for most of the shot clock but he consistently plays defense in the post. He uses his size and strength. When the coach forces his guards to give Lopez the ball, he comes through more often than not.

And if superior young big men don't lose games then explain how is it that Shaq ended up getting Penny Hardaway as a teammate. Young teams lose games not a shocker. The sad thing is that about a 1/3 of their wins came against the Knicks. Please explain how Lopez padded his stats in those games.

Lopez doesnt pad his stats. Thats not fair for me to say. He's a legit 7 footer who camps out in the post. So his 20/9/50% is as legit as anyone's right? (I'm not being sarcastic here).

I dont know how to quantify my statement but I will try. Lopez has been healthy and has not made the Nets better in any way shape or form. Lopez does not outplay the player he goes up against. He scores a bit more, but also takes more shots. He is getting beat in eff%, blocks, rebounding, TOs.. pretty much every category but total points. To be fair to Lopez, he's not getting beat by much, but what the numbers say is he's playing is opponents to a stand still. Nets are -10 with him and -13 without hime.

So here is what I see:
When I watch I see a guy thats gets a lot of shots because the Nets are terrible. I see a guy who is very big, very long and very slow. What I see is the 2nd coming of BIG-Z (only shorter). Is that a usefull player to have? Hell yea. Size is always good. But he's a rotation guy, NOT a build around guy. He gets some blocks but he's not keeping anyone out of the paint. He's easy to double. He has STIFF LEGS. Basically he's got the impact of BigZ but 2 inches shorter.

Gallo? Well.. lets see where he is at the same point in his # of games played as Lopez. He didnt really play his rookie year, and guys learn a lot in the offseason. He's been really good and really inconsistant. But he's obviously a rotation guy has some pretty high potential. I think more so than Lopez because Lopez isnt getting any faster. Gallo doesnt have physical limitations right now, his problems are he's not a complete BB player and isnt consistant

Pharzeone wrote:

fishmike wrote:let me add one thing... its certainly possible that Lopez ends up being a better player than Gallo, but its pretty easy to see Lopez'z ceiling and his limitations. We will know Gallo's in a couple years. There is plenty to be concerned about with this current management, but passing on Brook Lopez for Gallo isnt one of them.

How do you know Lopez's ceiling already but you aren't sure of Gallo's? Lopez is what about three months older than Gallo. People are capable of seeing potential where they want to and don't see it where they don't care to look. So Gallo is going to get faster and stronger and Brook is well stuck because he isn't young enough. Too bad Lopez wasn't born in the summer instead of the spring. I'm glad you are being rational on this topic Fish.

Can Lopez do that? Sure. He can become a good passer out of the post. He can take better shots. He can develop more moves. Add a jumper. But he will always be slow. BigZ is a good basketball player. He's smart. He blocks shots. He's a good passer. He's gotten slicker over the years. He's still a turtle. Why do you think Lopez slipped and Thabeet went #2? Thabeet has the athleticism to be a Mutumbo/Hakeem type player on defense. Brook Lopez doesnt and thats something you can learn.

Gallo will be as good as his game evolves too. My optimism is guarded. He's had some bigtime games and made bigtime plays against some bigtime players. And he's totally disappeared at times also. But this IS essentially his rookie season. He played 30 games last year and spent the summer being treated and rehabbing, not working on his game. Mostly I am curios to see what he looks like after this season and a summer to make adjustments.

But would you question him as a starter in this league? Or say "any lineup with him as a starter is a joke" ????

Cause you look at his production and he's playing his opponent to a standstill game in and game out (same as Lopez is)

Pharzeone wrote:I don't know Fish you are losing me. I guess you actually feel that Gallinari is a superior athlete to Lopez. Despite the fact that they are both slow. If you haven't notice neither one runs the court like gazelle and neither will out jump the likes of a Howard. I put them on the nearly the same level except one weighs about 40 pounds more than the other and is a couple inches taller. My take is that Lopez is better regarded at his position than Gallinari is at his. Maybe this will change but maybe not. My point is that I don't see the cap over Lopez's head like you do and I certainly don't see the ample room over Gallo's head. Lopez has better stats at his position vs. Gallo. Which includes games that Lopez played last year at the same periods Gallo played. You keep using this rookie thing as a huge factor in their differences. I just don't see it. If Gallo put up Lopez numbers this board would be in a constant jizzfest.

I think Gallo has dispelled a lot of knocks and concerns about his athleticism with some of the plays he's made. He's done a damn good job of guarding smaller quicker guys. He strikes me as an awkward athlete to watch but he still covers the ground and as shown a lot of quickness.

The reason I harp on the rookie sophmore thing is Gallo hasnt had that offseason to make adjustments to his game that Lopez has. I think we learn a lot more about Gallo 20-30 games into the season next year dont you? I'm not saying he will be a star. Hell... he might regress.

Lopez is the same player he was last year.

The Knicks needs size.. so not picking Lopez clearly bothers a lot of people. I get it. I'm not even saying its wrong. But the guy is horribly overrated, is playing very well on the worst team in the NBA in the last decade for all his regard at his position gives up what he gets every game.

Lopez is a good player. He's not a great player. He fills A need but not the only need.Gallo fills one also. We need a shooter. And yes.. he's a wing. I dont know if he's going to get bigger. Maybe gets smaller like a Rashard Lewis type. He's no lampost. He's pretty quick and when he gets beat he's made some good plays to alter shots. I think as a wing player Gallo's size and skill set will eventually make him a more valuable player than Lopez. That is my hope. Its not clear that will happen.

Lopez literally had the worst agility and quickness scores of everyone tested in his draft class. The worst. He is the slowest and least agile player who was measured in the 2008 draft (of about 60-70 guys).

If it sounds like I am tearing the guy up I'm not. The Knicks had so many needs going into that draft my guess is they took who they felt was the BPA with the most upside. Lopez has played well. I am sure the Nets are happy. I would be if I was them. But he's a turtle slow big man from the pac-10 who's 7 feet w/ a 7'6 wingspan who shot < 48% in college. That just didnt fit what Walsh wanted. His red flags at Stanford are red flags here. He should have dominated college ball and he didnt. He shot <50% and his team was good, not great. I think we are seeing why