DurzoBlint wrote:to be honest, and I'll probably get killed for this but, he reminds me of Nash when he was backing up Kidd in Phoenix who drafted him

Yeah you have to look at the actual skillset Sergio has and imagine this kid with more schooling under MDA, mastering the playbook, time to improve his jumper and also more time with his teammates. They haven't had a lot of time to get to know each others game and build Chemistry. He's starting with more of the kind of skills and talents you need to be a good PG than anyone we've had in a while. The speed, handle, breakdown ability, court vision and passing ability all just need to be refined. Plus he's not the worst shooter i've ever seen, just not consistent yet and with work that can improve. There's no guarantee he gets there, but I'd like to see him be given a shot to do it.

He's likely the cheapest pure point we're gonna get too.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Travla wrote:I think it is as simple as Sergio being faster than his teamates. Unless Knicks are on a fast break, they just run down and hang out on the perimeter. Teamates haven't learned to play in sync as of yet.

I think this is also true. Dudu has ingrained 20 sec or more offense that they are dumb founded when Sergio is way ahead of them.

THANK YOU GUYS!!!! If you watch the games how many times is he upcourt and no one is running with him? No one streaks out ahead to make a fastbreak happen. I know MDA sees this and guys like Walker and Chan should match his speed more often. I did see Gallo and Lee get rebound and then push the ball up court to start a break a few times, which was encouraging, but the team is stuck at Duhon speed after a season of playing that way.

just being faster than everyone isn't his problem... the guy doesn't know WTF he's doing when he's rushing headlong into traffic... if this guy were the next Jason Kidd or Steve Nash he wouldn't have to dribble into triple coverage before he realized there was no one around him to pass the ball off to... i think this kid has a long ways to go before he can be considered a viable starting PG option for a winning team.

i'd rather have Vazquez or Wise as our PG to groom than Sergio... just MHO.

he's getting better. he needs to stop picking up his dribble and be more agressive going all the way to the rim.

TMS wrote:personally i'd much rather sign Ray Felton this summer & draft Vazquez or Wise to battle w/TD as the backup PG... i don't think we can afford another year to waste on trying to develop a starting PG... Sergio still needs a lot of work & at the money he's owed, i think we can allocate towards getting a ready made starter... Felton will cost us about $6-7 M probably, but if we end up missing out on 2 max FA's, i think the money would be better served splitting among 1 max FA & 2 or 3 2nd & 3rd tier FA's who are viable starters.

that possibility doesn't exist in my universe.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:personally i'd much rather sign Ray Felton this summer & draft Vazquez or Wise to battle w/TD as the backup PG... i don't think we can afford another year to waste on trying to develop a starting PG... Sergio still needs a lot of work & at the money he's owed, i think we can allocate towards getting a ready made starter... Felton will cost us about $6-7 M probably, but if we end up missing out on 2 max FA's, i think the money would be better served splitting among 1 max FA & 2 or 3 2nd & 3rd tier FA's who are viable starters.

It's possible that they may have to go that route. I'm curious as to why you are so willing to wait for TD and Hill to develop and yet Sergio who actually has more PG skills than TD right now, especially court vision which you can't teach, you're not so willing to see how he develops. I have no real problem with Felton, he's not great but he'd be more than adequate for the job.

Jordan Hill we picked w/a #8 lottery pick & i watched him pretty extensively in college... obviously i'm going to have more patience on a kid like that over a 4 year backup from another team... & yes, i realize we traded our #8 lottery pick & got Sergio in the process, but i don't see the same kind of promise in Sergio's game that i did in Jordan Hill... just my personal preference, just like u have ur personal preference w/head coaches.

Toney Douglas i always pegged as a backup off the bench but i like his defense & he's cheap... if we can groom Sergio as a backup i'm fine with it, but the cap space will be limited next year & we need a starting PG in the worst way... i don't think i'd be OK with wasting another season grooming another PG to run this system... unless we have Lebron or Wade here, we will need a viable starting calibre PG... i've seen Nic Wise play alot too & i'll tell u right now he's a much better scorer & shotmaker than Sergio is & just as good of an orchestrator if not better... & from what i've read & what i've seen in recent highlights, Greivis Vazquez intrigues me because of his size at the PG position & his ability to make plays.

this isn't a question of me not being willing to be patient... i just think there are better options than trying to groom Sergio to be our starting PG... he looks like a backup to me that still needs a ton of work, & next year we'll be in win now mode.

If there is a better option, so be it, but after watching Duhon for 2 years, Sergio looks like Steve Nash to me. Maybe Duhon has scarred me as to what good PG play is, but Sergio definitely has potential as a solid backup at the very least. He will cost us $2 mill, so I agree there might be cheaper options. But if the choice is between guys like Tinsley or J-Will versus a young guy like Sergio, I think we would be better off going with youth. If a Nick Wise is available, and I have not watched him extensively, I would not be opposed to that type of move. However, the Knicks have not had a good track record with PGs over the past decade, so I am not holding out any hope that we will get anyone better than Sergio.

TMS wrote:i don't see this guy as the answer for our starting PG woes... he plays way out of control & half the time is penetrating into the paint with no idea what he's going to do with the ball while he's doing it... he finds himself dribbling into double teams & then dishes off to no one & ends up turning the ball over... his perimeter J is highly inconsistent as well... i like his energy & his ability to push the ball up the floor, but he's way too undisciplined to play the point fulltime IMHO... tonight Eddie House who's not even known for his orchestration skills was doing a better job & making better passes into Lee for easy layups.

right now, based off what i've seen from Sergio, i would only consider him as a backup option for next season... he's not really starting material if u ask me... of course, this is a small limited sample, but i think i can see why this kid has never been anything more than a 3rd string PG over his career so far.

tms, why are you qualified to judge 23yr old sergio but it was too early to judge 22yr old hill? have some consistency.

TMS wrote:i don't see this guy as the answer for our starting PG woes... he plays way out of control & half the time is penetrating into the paint with no idea what he's going to do with the ball while he's doing it... he finds himself dribbling into double teams & then dishes off to no one & ends up turning the ball over... his perimeter J is highly inconsistent as well... i like his energy & his ability to push the ball up the floor, but he's way too undisciplined to play the point fulltime IMHO... tonight Eddie House who's not even known for his orchestration skills was doing a better job & making better passes into Lee for easy layups.

right now, based off what i've seen from Sergio, i would only consider him as a backup option for next season... he's not really starting material if u ask me... of course, this is a small limited sample, but i think i can see why this kid has never been anything more than a 3rd string PG over his career so far.

I don't know if he's the answer either, but at least he has potential. He's got the speed and the handle, though as you say, he often plays out of control. I don't know if he has the court vision. He's a hell of a lot more fun to watch than Duhon though. Is it fair to say he needs development? Not a strong point of the Knicks franchise.

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't see this guy as the answer for our starting PG woes... he plays way out of control & half the time is penetrating into the paint with no idea what he's going to do with the ball while he's doing it... he finds himself dribbling into double teams & then dishes off to no one & ends up turning the ball over... his perimeter J is highly inconsistent as well... i like his energy & his ability to push the ball up the floor, but he's way too undisciplined to play the point fulltime IMHO... tonight Eddie House who's not even known for his orchestration skills was doing a better job & making better passes into Lee for easy layups.

right now, based off what i've seen from Sergio, i would only consider him as a backup option for next season... he's not really starting material if u ask me... of course, this is a small limited sample, but i think i can see why this kid has never been anything more than a 3rd string PG over his career so far.

tms, why are you qualified to judge 23yr old sergio but it was too early to judge 22yr old hill? have some consistency.

i am being consistent... this kid has had a much larger sample to show what he can do in the NBA... he has a track record of being nothing more than a career backup after 270 NBA games... that's not a small sample, 24 games is... Sergio's jumpshot has been highly inconsistent for 4 years now... this is not opinion, it's fact... just cuz he's 23 & Jordan Hill is 22 is not the entire basis of my judgement on these players... Jordan Hill i have watched a ton & i tell u right now he's not some end of the bench scrub like cats have portrayed him to be around here... & i haven't written Sergio off as being trash either, but i recognize that he's going to take a lot of work to groom into a viable PG & we just don't have that time anymore... 2010 is going to be about results, no more time to make excuses about "well, Donnie needed to clean up Isiah's mess" anymore... this is going on his 3rd year, he brought in most of the players on this current roster... this was the year we were supposed to be developing guys like this to take over the reigns the year after... right now can u tell me this guy will be ready to be our starter next season that we should sacrifice the $3 million in cap space to retain?