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3/8/2010  2:33 PM
King1 wrote:Juice you're right Lee should come out and say to the Knicks hey thanks for everything, I will wait in July to see if you get two max FA and if you dont I will give you a discount.

Yeah sure why not that would be just as professional. Let me look at the rest of our schedule real quick and see if we can formulate some scripts for YOUR BOI, YOUR MANSES as he looks towards Free Agency

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3/8/2010  2:39 PM
Lee spends more time focusing on snatching rebounds from his own teammates than doing fundamental things like boxing out so that players like Amir Johnson don't look like a cross between Bill Russell/Dennis Rodman/Ben Wallace/Dwight Howard
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3/8/2010  2:42 PM
If someone pays him his 13M or 15M or whatever it is.... good for him.

If we strike out in 2010 you can bet we'll be the fools that pay him 12M starting salary.

I like Lee. In fact he's finally started playing really hard defensively (although help defense hes atrocious at he just watches).

But bottom line is you can't build a winner around such a one sided player - AND - you can't muse "Oh, Lee doesn't play defense? Okay let's trade for Dalembert and everything will be just fine!"

For, it won't....cause then you got two players who are inept at one facet of the game. Good teams exploit that.

You need two way players especially up front.

Lee isn't that.

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3/8/2010  2:45 PM
aww.. trueblue got his computer privledges back. Thanks ma!
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3/8/2010  2:47 PM
We have left to play

Memphis(S&T involving Gay BYC issue)
Utah(S&T involving Boozer)
Phx(Amar'e leaves... signs outright)
Miami(cap space to sign outright)
Clippers(cap space to sign outright)
Toronto(S&T involving Bosh)
Washington(caps space to sign outright)

All places Lee could go signing outright or via S&T(more easily than the remaining teams in the league)

Alright let's all create scripts for Lee discussing the idea of playing for each franchise and run our rough drafts past King1's desk to be proof read

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3/8/2010  2:50 PM
Juice wrote:We have left to play

Memphis(S&T involving Gay BYC issue)
Utah(S&T involving Boozer)
Phx(Amar'e leaves... signs outright)
Miami(cap space to sign outright)
Clippers(cap space to sign outright)
Toronto(S&T involving Bosh)
Washington(caps space to sign outright)

All places Lee could go signing outright or via S&T(more easily than the remaining teams in the league)

Alright let's all create scripts for Lee discussing the idea of playing for each franchise and run our rough drafts past King1's desk to be proof read

Are you predicting the next seven Daily News articles?

*Knicks face ____? --- Knicks want to trade ___ to ___ or... trade for ____ from _____.*

Lee? Lee could go a number of places but if we SIGN AND TRADE HIM it will only be for Bosh, Wade, Amare, LeBron, JJ.

If someone signs him outright so be it. Our mistake not using him to dump salary early on. We did try though - Donnie told any team calling for Lee - that they wanted Curry with Lee. Those teams all said no.

Besides, again, if we strike out in 2010 you can bet David Lee is retained.

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3/8/2010  2:56 PM
Cosmic wrote:If someone pays him his 13M or 15M or whatever it is.... good for him.

If we strike out in 2010 you can bet we'll be the fools that pay him 12M starting salary.

I like Lee. In fact he's finally started playing really hard defensively (although help defense hes atrocious at he just watches).

But bottom line is you can't build a winner around such a one sided player - AND - you can't muse "Oh, Lee doesn't play defense? Okay let's trade for Dalembert and everything will be just fine!"

For, it won't....cause then you got two players who are inept at one facet of the game. Good teams exploit that.

You need two way players especially up front.

Lee isn't that.

I would have loved to trade Lee for some young talent such as....Ibaka/Lopez/Clark/Augustin/Hawes/T-Will/Blatche/McGee/Jordan etc etc as centerpieces plus some kind of pick compensation. In the event we strike out, we wouldn't have to sweat feeling handcuffed signing him to a new deal. Interesting to note Lee may have the chance to wait and see where players sign, dictating his asking price from us. Say Amar'e and Bosh don't sign here but elsewhere and they get Max Deals...Lee can turnaround and say Hey I know I'm not $7mil/yr less than these guys are. Even when we aren't bidding against ourselves we very well may be bidding against ourselves.

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3/8/2010  2:57 PM
Discount?

The only thing NY has over NJ is the 6th year. If the Nets show him the money he is GONE. We made him wait all last summer.

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3/8/2010  2:59 PM
I think as free agency dries up as the summer goes forward guys like Lee will make LESS money the later they are signed. Except for that "Chicago Bulls" situation where nobody wanted their money but they were eventually able to throw a max contract at Jalen Rose. Other than that? I think guys like Lee will rapidly see their chances decline.

Better not say no if someone asks for 5 years 60M for his services. Because by the time he's done he'll be like Radmanovich who passed up on what a 42M contract and ended up with the Lakers MLE in the end.

Lee will see the same happen to him. He better jump at that first offer.

I bet our first offer begins at 10M, he winces, and goes off into the wasteland. We sign other players, and then Lee ends up with another 7M starting offer.

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3/8/2010  3:00 PM
Cosmic wrote:
Juice wrote:We have left to play

Memphis(S&T involving Gay BYC issue)
Utah(S&T involving Boozer)
Phx(Amar'e leaves... signs outright)
Miami(cap space to sign outright)
Clippers(cap space to sign outright)
Toronto(S&T involving Bosh)
Washington(caps space to sign outright)

All places Lee could go signing outright or via S&T(more easily than the remaining teams in the league)

Alright let's all create scripts for Lee discussing the idea of playing for each franchise and run our rough drafts past King1's desk to be proof read

Are you predicting the next seven Daily News articles?

*Knicks face ____? --- Knicks want to trade ___ to ___ or... trade for ____ from _____.*

Lee? Lee could go a number of places but if we SIGN AND TRADE HIM it will only be for Bosh, Wade, Amare, LeBron, JJ.

If someone signs him outright so be it. Our mistake not using him to dump salary early on. We did try though - Donnie told any team calling for Lee - that they wanted Curry with Lee. Those teams all said no.

Besides, again, if we strike out in 2010 you can bet David Lee is retained.


Yes. As he will be asked these predictable questions from here on out. I just thought it would be a good idea to play Interviewee Etiquette

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3/8/2010  3:00 PM
Juice if Lee is such a bad player why are we talking about sign and trades for all starts or future all stars? Why would anyone want to make that trade? Okay lets say at your porn shop your the best at selling porn but your not a real successful company. In july the two best salesman come available. Your boss tell you Juice I want to try and get these two salesman but if I cant I want you. So dont go shop yourself to better porn shops wait for me. That is what you call professional I call it stupidity.
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3/8/2010  3:04 PM
Cosmic wrote:I think as free agency dries up as the summer goes forward guys like Lee will make LESS money the later they are signed. Except for that "Chicago Bulls" situation where nobody wanted their money but they were eventually able to throw a max contract at Jalen Rose. Other than that? I think guys like Lee will rapidly see their chances decline.

Better not say no if someone asks for 5 years 60M for his services. Because by the time he's done he'll be like Radmanovich who passed up on what a 42M contract and ended up with the Lakers MLE in the end.

Lee will see the same happen to him. He better jump at that first offer.

I bet our first offer begins at 10M, he winces, and goes off into the wasteland. We sign other players, and then Lee ends up with another 7M starting offer.

So you think NJ is going to not spend this summer?

Realistically David Lee is the only guy they could probably lock up early because he supposedly loves NYC.

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3/8/2010  3:06 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Cosmic wrote:I think as free agency dries up as the summer goes forward guys like Lee will make LESS money the later they are signed. Except for that "Chicago Bulls" situation where nobody wanted their money but they were eventually able to throw a max contract at Jalen Rose. Other than that? I think guys like Lee will rapidly see their chances decline.

Better not say no if someone asks for 5 years 60M for his services. Because by the time he's done he'll be like Radmanovich who passed up on what a 42M contract and ended up with the Lakers MLE in the end.

Lee will see the same happen to him. He better jump at that first offer.

I bet our first offer begins at 10M, he winces, and goes off into the wasteland. We sign other players, and then Lee ends up with another 7M starting offer.

So you think NJ is going to not spend this summer?

Realistically David Lee is the only guy they could probably lock up early because he supposedly loves NYC.

Would you blow all your cap room on David Lee?

No, you wouldn't. So why do you expect another team to do the same?

And if they did? You send them a thank you note for stopping you from doing the same. No?

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3/8/2010  3:07 PM
Cosmic wrote:I think as free agency dries up as the summer goes forward guys like Lee will make LESS money the later they are signed. Except for that "Chicago Bulls" situation where nobody wanted their money but they were eventually able to throw a max contract at Jalen Rose. Other than that? I think guys like Lee will rapidly see their chances decline.

Better not say no if someone asks for 5 years 60M for his services. Because by the time he's done he'll be like Radmanovich who passed up on what a 42M contract and ended up with the Lakers MLE in the end.

Lee will see the same happen to him. He better jump at that first offer.

I bet our first offer begins at 10M, he winces, and goes off into the wasteland. We sign other players, and then Lee ends up with another 7M starting offer.


I disagree. We can offer him 6 year $70mm starting at $9mm. For another team to offer him $70mm in guarenteed money they have to start at over $12mm a year to start. If the Knicks started Lee at $9.5mm with raises and 6 years his totaly would be $74.2mm.

If Lee wants money we are his best option. He does like being here.

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3/8/2010  3:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2010  3:09 PM
King 1

Those are hypotheticals, not what I personally feel will happen. We will re-up or he walks. No S&T's will happen. Personally I feel Lee should go get his money wherever he can. I'm not interested in throwing coin his way, not at all. Especially when theoretically CP3 or Melo could be waiting around the corner plus other RFA the following yr. Lee's done what's needed to be done in this league to get paid(but this isn't saying a whole lot)

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3/8/2010  3:10 PM
I dont think Lee will look or deserves Bosh, LBJ, and wade money. To me those are the max players. If anyone gives Amare and Joe Johnson a max contract that would be pure stupidity. We bring Johnson on the team we have they still arent a playoff team. He is getting older and would be a huge mistake. Amare has played with three all stars and they havent won it all. Lee market will be deicided when Bosh decides if he stays in toronto then Houston, Miami, and Chicago goes after Lee. If he goes somewhere then toronto will come after him. Why would a team sign and trade for Lee when they can get him on July 1st?
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3/8/2010  3:12 PM
King1 wrote:What is Lee supposed to do say something bad about a team? Walsh had a chance to look like a genius and get him for 5 yrs 40 million this summer and decided to wait. Knicks had all the leverage last year and used it to their advantage and Walsh was praised for his patience. Now Lee has all the leverage and we will see if he uses it to his adavantage.

Agreed.

Lee has a ton of leverage on his side and if he doesn't have a fair offer from the Knicks come July 8th, I'm sure no one will blame him if he takes an offer from a different team. He definitely needs to look out for himself as this will be the biggest contract of his career.

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3/8/2010  3:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2010  3:15 PM
Cosmic wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Cosmic wrote:I think as free agency dries up as the summer goes forward guys like Lee will make LESS money the later they are signed. Except for that "Chicago Bulls" situation where nobody wanted their money but they were eventually able to throw a max contract at Jalen Rose. Other than that? I think guys like Lee will rapidly see their chances decline.

Better not say no if someone asks for 5 years 60M for his services. Because by the time he's done he'll be like Radmanovich who passed up on what a 42M contract and ended up with the Lakers MLE in the end.

Lee will see the same happen to him. He better jump at that first offer.

I bet our first offer begins at 10M, he winces, and goes off into the wasteland. We sign other players, and then Lee ends up with another 7M starting offer.

So you think NJ is going to not spend this summer?

Realistically David Lee is the only guy they could probably lock up early because he supposedly loves NYC.

Would you blow all your cap room on David Lee?

No, you wouldn't. So why do you expect another team to do the same?

And if they did? You send them a thank you note for stopping you from doing the same. No?


Cos it's more about which teams feel vulnerable and which ones won't. If NYC is what it's supposed to be then we'll get a fair share of the big names, meanwhile other teams will pay premium dollars for whatever talent is left over.


You had about 3 team last year willing to shoot their load over Hedo. You mean to tell me Lee won't get the same kind of love this summer with more teams having cap room?

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3/8/2010  3:15 PM
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King1 wrote:What is Lee supposed to do say something bad about a team? Walsh had a chance to look like a genius and get him for 5 yrs 40 million this summer and decided to wait. Knicks had all the leverage last year and used it to their advantage and Walsh was praised for his patience. Now Lee has all the leverage and we will see if he uses it to his adavantage.

Agreed.

Lee has a ton of leverage on his side and if he doesn't have a fair offer from the Knicks come July 8th, I'm sure no one will blame him if he takes an offer from a different team. He definitely needs to look out for himself as this will be the biggest contract of his career.

Lee NEVER was coming for 5yr/40M. His agent was talking 11, 12, 13M starting! I don't know why fans think that if we only signed Lee in 2008 we would have had him cheap. Never the case.... We were lucky to get him on the 1 year 7M deal we did.

That's not happening this go around...and it wasn't happening as a long term contract starting at 7M either.

Not that we should be concerned with locking up Lee long term anyway. Why? So we can watch him get his 20/10 while giving up 30/20 every night? Not too keen on that.

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3/8/2010  3:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2010  3:20 PM
King1 wrote:I dont think Lee will look or deserves Bosh, LBJ, and wade money. To me those are the max players. If anyone gives Amare and Joe Johnson a max contract that would be pure stupidity. We bring Johnson on the team we have they still arent a playoff team. He is getting older and would be a huge mistake. Amare has played with three all stars and they havent won it all. Lee market will be deicided when Bosh decides if he stays in toronto then Houston, Miami, and Chicago goes after Lee. If he goes somewhere then toronto will come after him. Why would a team sign and trade for Lee when they can get him on July 1st?

I agree Amar'e and Johnson aren't Max Players but honest question do you personally feel at least 1 if not more teams will offer them Max deals? If your answer is yes, well you need to exercise the same honesty of where Lee's market value will fall. You can't argue it both ways.

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