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Why not offer Chandler Douglas and the 2011 pick for Bynum?
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Pharzeone
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3/8/2010  1:52 AM
I think TMS is right. If we are going to keep the coach then why would we add players that you know he would not have a use for or he feels that would not fit his system. It would be like chasing your tail. You know the type of centers that MDA likes. One plays in Utah and the other plays in his old stomping ground.
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Pharzeone
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3/8/2010  1:54 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Who do you want Camby????

Just something stupid for a second--first off where is this Al Jefferseon stuff coming from-- 3 years ago? People make sht up--go find me that thread if it was ever made.

If I was able to keep Lee and trade for Bynum--you could not come up with a better suggestion.
Bynum is a 20-10-2.5 C when HE is the C Lee moves back to PF and would still be 17-11 57%

Id rather have Bynum than almost any fa after Bosh wade and LBJ.

Finally Trueblue's third alias comes out! These posters get banne and come back--were not stupid trueblue!

You are right Briggs. Problem is D'Antoni does not see it that way. That and People are tired of trading picks for now.

Any poster who says they wouldnt want Andrew Bynum doesnt know basketball.

Didn't dj post something about Nate McMillan saying that MDA told him that centers slow the game down. If Lopez is MDA's nemesis then Bynum would be his arch nemesis for sure.


"you disgust me in so many ways. You know I'm outta here at the end of the year"

I wonder what Shaq is whispering in Lebron's ears about D'Antoni.

How many championships have you won Mike? I have 4--you win with the big man.

The guy says his style can win one. So who knows but acquiring guys that won't be put in positions that best benefit their skills would be fruitless at this point. I would love to get Bynum but that is a different direction of what is going on in this team.

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3/8/2010  2:00 AM
Pharzeone wrote:I think TMS is right. If we are going to keep the coach then why would we add players that you know he would not have a use for or he feels that would not fit his system. It would be like chasing your tail. You know the type of centers that MDA likes. One plays in Utah and the other plays in his old stomping ground.

Is this NY basketball?

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3/8/2010  2:26 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:I think TMS is right. If we are going to keep the coach then why would we add players that you know he would not have a use for or he feels that would not fit his system. It would be like chasing your tail. You know the type of centers that MDA likes. One plays in Utah and the other plays in his old stomping ground.

Is this NY basketball?

this is MDA basketball... & MDA is our coach... if u want NY basketball, hire a different coach... one that will preach defense.

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3/8/2010  2:43 AM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:I think TMS is right. If we are going to keep the coach then why would we add players that you know he would not have a use for or he feels that would not fit his system. It would be like chasing your tail. You know the type of centers that MDA likes. One plays in Utah and the other plays in his old stomping ground.

Is this NY basketball?

this is MDA basketball... & MDA is our coach... if u want NY basketball, hire a different coach... one that will preach defense.

ny ball is gone... stern isnt gonna like 80s/90s ny style play as well.

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3/8/2010  8:15 AM
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TMS wrote:or we could try & draft a C like Bynum using 1 of our future draft picks... oops, nevermind.

seriously tho, i don't think Lakers would take any package of assets we have to offer at this point... besides we don't even own the rights to our 2011 pick anymore, Houston has the swap rights... a deal like this couldn't even be consummated until after the draft & we make our selection... right now we have nothing but our cap space to try & patch together a team this summer... D Lee possibly could be used in a sign & trade for another pending FA like Bosh or Amare... other than that, be ready for the Marcus Camby to NY reports & T-Mac wants to remain a Knick stories to pop up in a few months.


Bynum would almost have no mobility in our offense and no use in general.

For the record BRIGGS has suggested

Monta Ellis who makes about $10-12mil/yr

Bynum who makes about $10-12mil/yr

Tyrus Thomas new deal making about $10-12mil/yr

Al Jefferson who makes about $12-14mil/yr

Lee new deal making about $10-12mil/yr

It's more than obvious he has no clue what the hell is going on....


Briggs is the biggest drama queen around here. He's also about as repetitive as rain man, but the dude knows EXACTLY whats going on around here. You look at the players he's suggested and sorry but he's spot on. We get destroyed in the paint every sign night and the closest thing we have to play maker is a 31 year old SF with the knees of Marv.

Unless we get lucky with a star FA if we want any chance of improving we need to bring back Lee, but a bigman next to him, or at least a guy that plays like a big man and get a playmaker in here.

If we had Monta Ellis, McGrady, Gallo, Lee and Tyrus Thomas starting w/ Chandler off the bench we would at the very least be in the playoffs.

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3/8/2010  8:17 AM
I think the bottomline is MDA's system is not worth the paper it is printed on with a Steve Nash to run it. MDA does not realize that unless you have a pg that can get every high-percentage shots and make defenses pay for switching on P&R, then you just are not going to score enough to justify not playing a defensive-minded center or not focusing enough attention to defense. We don't have the players to run MDA's system and I really don't see us getting the players to run his system, unless Lebron and Bosh both sign here.
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3/8/2010  8:22 AM
Juice wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:So you want to trade for Bynum when our coach will have him rotting on the bench?

And fork over 6yrs/$78mil to Lee but all of a sudden he's talk himself into talking that down to 6yrs/$60mil. BRIGGS would have our franchise in such a CLUSTERSTARFUCH... except maxed out 2-3 X above the not the Cap but Luxury Tax. And no Playoffs

Krylo Feshenko. 6 years 84M.
Anthony Randolph. 6 years 284M.
Anthony Morrow. 12 years. 500M.

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3/8/2010  8:36 AM
TheGame wrote:I think the bottomline is MDA's system is not worth the paper it is printed on with a Steve Nash to run it. MDA does not realize that unless you have a pg that can get every high-percentage shots and make defenses pay for switching on P&R, then you just are not going to score enough to justify not playing a defensive-minded center or not focusing enough attention to defense. We don't have the players to run MDA's system and I really don't see us getting the players to run his system, unless Lebron and Bosh both sign here.
I agree... but what system do we have the players to run? When Larry was here he tried to get the team to defend. Remember everyone up in arms about Antonio getting all those minutes?

What system in the NBA can you run that gets you wins when your smaller than your opponent and dont have guards that create easy shots?

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3/8/2010  9:59 AM
fishmike wrote:
TheGame wrote:I think the bottomline is MDA's system is not worth the paper it is printed on with a Steve Nash to run it. MDA does not realize that unless you have a pg that can get every high-percentage shots and make defenses pay for switching on P&R, then you just are not going to score enough to justify not playing a defensive-minded center or not focusing enough attention to defense. We don't have the players to run MDA's system and I really don't see us getting the players to run his system, unless Lebron and Bosh both sign here.
I agree... but what system do we have the players to run? When Larry was here he tried to get the team to defend. Remember everyone up in arms about Antonio getting all those minutes?

What system in the NBA can you run that gets you wins when your smaller than your opponent and dont have guards that create easy shots?

Hence, David Lee is a 20 point a game scorer. The team is flawed no matter what system they try to run. I don't blame the players for this. However, there is no effort on the other end, and that is completely unacceptable. It also has me worried about this Summer. Doesn't matter how short you are, yada yada. You put up the effort, and nobody is giving it.

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3/8/2010  10:19 AM
Doesn't Phil not like Bynum?

I don't think the Lakers front office would trade him - but I bet Phil would, and then you could probably S&T Lee straight up for him, and eat salary/give the Lakers some cap relief.

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3/8/2010  10:49 AM
fishmike wrote:
TheGame wrote:I think the bottomline is MDA's system is not worth the paper it is printed on with a Steve Nash to run it. MDA does not realize that unless you have a pg that can get every high-percentage shots and make defenses pay for switching on P&R, then you just are not going to score enough to justify not playing a defensive-minded center or not focusing enough attention to defense. We don't have the players to run MDA's system and I really don't see us getting the players to run his system, unless Lebron and Bosh both sign here.
I agree... but what system do we have the players to run? When Larry was here he tried to get the team to defend. Remember everyone up in arms about Antonio getting all those minutes?

What system in the NBA can you run that gets you wins when your smaller than your opponent and dont have guards that create easy shots?

If he would have played guys like Darko and Hill more, we could have run a slower version of his offense. I mean, Darko and Hill would have just been out there to play defense and Hill could make an open shot and Darko could postup. It is incredible that we signed Darko and then basically gave him no playing time, while Lee was overmatched at center just about every game. I fail to see the logic in that.

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3/8/2010  7:00 PM
franco12 wrote:Doesn't Phil not like Bynum?

I don't think the Lakers front office would trade him - but I bet Phil would, and then you could probably S&T Lee straight up for him, and eat salary/give the Lakers some cap relief.

Obviously I follow this pretty good. I really do believe that IF the Lakers do NOT win the title--they will break it up. Lets not sleep on an offer of Wilson Chandler--who can move right into the starting SF position and hes 23 Tony Douglas--they will like him and a number 1 +++ we take all of that cap off of them. Bynum Lee and Gallo is a young strong frontline.

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3/8/2010  7:15 PM
i don't see any way the Lakers break up the team as long as Kobe is wearing purple & yellow... he's not going to stick around past 2010 if they start on a rebuild project.
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3/9/2010  9:21 AM
TMS wrote:i think Gallo's at least making somewhat of an effort to be more aggressive taking the ball to the hole of late... he's not ONLY settling for jumpers, but he still has some work to do w/his skills off the dribble... i have never had a problem w/Gallo's effort on defense... he's 1 of the few guys we have that isn't afraid to get pposterized in the paint by an attacking player... at least he puts forth the effort... the only thing i'd like to see him work on defensively is his recognition on help D... he's slow to react to switches just like everyone else on this team... u'd figure a well coached team wouldn't have all these problems but we obviously do.

He makes mistakes at time, but usually puts in the effort on D. Show me another guy with his size who has to move around as much on defense. It is crazy what they have him doing at times. He occasionally has to play guards on the perimeter like Jeffries did when he was here; other times, when they are in the zone, he has to be looking down low to help out our weak interior D, but also have to be ready to jump outside to contest jumpers if the ball is swung around; and when they are attempting to go one/one, he has to fight through picks (not something he does particularly well) while guarding the smaller, quicker SF's he is usually matched up with.

You can make a case that having a legit center who can command the lane without needing a zone to protect him will allow some of the other players on the Knicks to have more energy for the other aspects of their game.

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3/9/2010  7:21 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
TMS wrote:i think Gallo's at least making somewhat of an effort to be more aggressive taking the ball to the hole of late... he's not ONLY settling for jumpers, but he still has some work to do w/his skills off the dribble... i have never had a problem w/Gallo's effort on defense... he's 1 of the few guys we have that isn't afraid to get pposterized in the paint by an attacking player... at least he puts forth the effort... the only thing i'd like to see him work on defensively is his recognition on help D... he's slow to react to switches just like everyone else on this team... u'd figure a well coached team wouldn't have all these problems but we obviously do.

He makes mistakes at time, but usually puts in the effort on D. Show me another guy with his size who has to move around as much on defense. It is crazy what they have him doing at times. He occasionally has to play guards on the perimeter like Jeffries did when he was here; other times, when they are in the zone, he has to be looking down low to help out our weak interior D, but also have to be ready to jump outside to contest jumpers if the ball is swung around; and when they are attempting to go one/one, he has to fight through picks (not something he does particularly well) while guarding the smaller, quicker SF's he is usually matched up with.

You can make a case that having a legit center who can command the lane without needing a zone to protect him will allow some of the other players on the Knicks to have more energy for the other aspects of their game.

i get annoyed when i see guys like D Lee & Al preaching to Gallo about missing a switch on defense when those guys are probably the 2 biggest culprits of being late on switches themselves.

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Why not offer Chandler Douglas and the 2011 pick for Bynum?

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