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3/6/2010  11:24 PM
nixluva wrote:DW basically sucked the middle out of the team and it's killing us

wondering what your reasoning is behind this statement? we traded a rookie bigman & a role playing veteran C that MDA refused to play this season anyway... & Jared Fishlips was primarily a perimeter defender, not really all that effective playing post defense... MDA also refused to play Eddy Curry even when healthy... it would seem to me if you're frustrated with a lack of size in the middle, that frustration should be directed towards MDA for not playing the guys he had at his disposal this season.

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3/6/2010  11:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/6/2010  11:27 PM
nixluva wrote:I'll say this. Before we ever traded anyone this year, the start of the season was sent up in flames when Duhon and several other players came out slumping. Remember that Gallo was just getting up to speed and so was Chandler. It took them a while to get going and unfortunately when they were ready, Duhon never really got out of his funk and that was the season right there.

For this team to make the playoffs things had to go nearly perfectly to start the year and give them a chance to win. It just wasn't in the cards but in the end we still had every intention to move contracts and clear cap space, so here we are looking towards the summer.

dude, we were 2 games out of the playoff race at one point & this was well after the crappy start to the season... u can't pin the season being pissed away on the 1-9 start... & even so, doesn't the coach also deserve blame for not having his players prepared to play out of training camp & for not adjusting his style of play when the team was obviously struggling out of the gate?

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3/6/2010  11:28 PM
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DJMUSIC wrote:JVG or Riley would not accept this with same roster.

neither of them would have stuck around to coach this mess of a team either... but i agree, if the teams they coached ever played w/this complete lack of heart & intensity, they'd have these guys running drills til their legs falled off.

I still remember Riley pointing at and grabbing Tony Campbell's jersey during a game that he was coasting on defense. I thought they were going to throw down. Riley got rid of him fast. How many times did Riley get into it with Mase when he thought he was goofing off.

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3/6/2010  11:36 PM
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TMS wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:JVG or Riley would not accept this with same roster.

neither of them would have stuck around to coach this mess of a team either... but i agree, if the teams they coached ever played w/this complete lack of heart & intensity, they'd have these guys running drills til their legs falled off.

I still remember Riley pointing at and grabbing Tony Campbell's jersey during a game that he was coasting on defense. I thought they were going to throw down. Riley got rid of him fast. How many times did Riley get into it with Mase when he thought he was goofing off.

cancels the morning shootaround, so the players can have enough energy.

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3/6/2010  11:38 PM
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cancels the morning shootaround, so the players can have enough energy.

You know I never understood that move and why it was unacceptable to Walsh or ownership.

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3/6/2010  11:47 PM
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nixluva wrote:I'll say this. Before we ever traded anyone this year, the start of the season was sent up in flames when Duhon and several other players came out slumping. Remember that Gallo was just getting up to speed and so was Chandler. It took them a while to get going and unfortunately when they were ready, Duhon never really got out of his funk and that was the season right there.

For this team to make the playoffs things had to go nearly perfectly to start the year and give them a chance to win. It just wasn't in the cards but in the end we still had every intention to move contracts and clear cap space, so here we are looking towards the summer.

dude, we were 2 games out of the playoff race at one point & this was well after the crappy start to the season... u can't pin the season being pissed away on the 1-9 start... & even so, doesn't the coach also deserve blame for not having his players prepared to play out of training camp & for not adjusting his style of play when the team was obviously struggling out of the gate?

I think how D'Antoni's team came out of training camp was a sign at how inept he is and this has not been emphasized as much as it should be when evaluating the job he has done to date. The team in training camp was the team he coached the year before plus Darko, Hill, Douglas and Landry. None of those guys were going to play anyway so he had his team from the previous season. Coming out and going 1-9 when the mantra was playoffs is inexcusable. When the Knicks were relevant training camp was intense, brought the team together and everyone involved had a common goal that they would put their heart and soul in to achieve. I remember a player that came to the Knicks saying he was not in 'Coach Gundy' shape. That is alot different from Grant Hill talking about D'Antoni's practices that sometimes lasted as long as 20 minutes.
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3/6/2010  11:50 PM
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TMS wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:JVG or Riley would not accept this with same roster.

neither of them would have stuck around to coach this mess of a team either... but i agree, if the teams they coached ever played w/this complete lack of heart & intensity, they'd have these guys running drills til their legs falled off.

I still remember Riley pointing at and grabbing Tony Campbell's jersey during a game that he was coasting on defense. I thought they were going to throw down. Riley got rid of him fast. How many times did Riley get into it with Mase when he thought he was goofing off.

funny thing is the only player that MDA has really gotten in the face of in his time here is Nate Robinson, & that wasn't just when he was throwing at the other team's basket during a time out... i've never once seen him get into David Lee or Chris Duhon's face when they miss a defensive assignment... all u ever hear from him is stuff like "We gotta get up on these guys... Lezz GOOO! Lezz GOOO!" i realize this guy isn't the confrontational type of head coach, but i would like to see him get into Gallo's face once in a while, or D Lee, & send a message that he's not playing favorites with anyone & expects his best players to set the example for the rest of the team on defense.

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3/6/2010  11:56 PM
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Pharzeone wrote:
TMS wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:JVG or Riley would not accept this with same roster.

neither of them would have stuck around to coach this mess of a team either... but i agree, if the teams they coached ever played w/this complete lack of heart & intensity, they'd have these guys running drills til their legs falled off.

I still remember Riley pointing at and grabbing Tony Campbell's jersey during a game that he was coasting on defense. I thought they were going to throw down. Riley got rid of him fast. How many times did Riley get into it with Mase when he thought he was goofing off.

funny thing is the only player that MDA has really gotten in the face of in his time here is Nate Robinson, & that wasn't just when he was throwing at the other team's basket during a time out... i've never once seen him get into David Lee or Chris Duhon's face when they miss a defensive assignment... all u ever hear from him is stuff like "We gotta get up on these guys... Lezz GOOO! Lezz GOOO!" i realize this guy isn't the confrontational type of head coach, but i would like to see him get into Gallo's face once in a while, or D Lee, & send a message that he's not playing favorites with anyone & expects his best players to set the example for the rest of the team on defense.

Whenever he is miked up I never hear him actually coach. Rah rah stuff is great but he has young guys on his team that need him to talk about adjustments and how to play them. His comments are like those made by a player who doesn't have a view of the whole game but wants his teammates to be more intense. That isn't coaching.
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3/7/2010  12:00 AM
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TMS wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:JVG or Riley would not accept this with same roster.

neither of them would have stuck around to coach this mess of a team either... but i agree, if the teams they coached ever played w/this complete lack of heart & intensity, they'd have these guys running drills til their legs falled off.

I still remember Riley pointing at and grabbing Tony Campbell's jersey during a game that he was coasting on defense. I thought they were going to throw down. Riley got rid of him fast. How many times did Riley get into it with Mase when he thought he was goofing off.

agreed!
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3/7/2010  12:13 AM
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Pharzeone wrote:
TMS wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:JVG or Riley would not accept this with same roster.

neither of them would have stuck around to coach this mess of a team either... but i agree, if the teams they coached ever played w/this complete lack of heart & intensity, they'd have these guys running drills til their legs falled off.

I still remember Riley pointing at and grabbing Tony Campbell's jersey during a game that he was coasting on defense. I thought they were going to throw down. Riley got rid of him fast. How many times did Riley get into it with Mase when he thought he was goofing off.

funny thing is the only player that MDA has really gotten in the face of in his time here is Nate Robinson, & that wasn't just when he was throwing at the other team's basket during a time out... i've never once seen him get into David Lee or Chris Duhon's face when they miss a defensive assignment... all u ever hear from him is stuff like "We gotta get up on these guys... Lezz GOOO! Lezz GOOO!" i realize this guy isn't the confrontational type of head coach, but i would like to see him get into Gallo's face once in a while, or D Lee, & send a message that he's not playing favorites with anyone & expects his best players to set the example for the rest of the team on defense.

Amen
agree w/u TMS brother

Curry whom got fit enough to practice and play still wasnt activated by MDA since MDA hates slow lumbering head under the basket
type post players.

MDA is consistently inconsistent on how he treats players. Nate at least showed some old school and wasnt all smiles 24x7 all the time especially in a game when knicks were getting their as_sses whacked by nba's weaker team.

The thing that got me going is the past 2 months of MDA post game comments and remarks
after a loss. He nearly seemed he didnt mind and smiled way too often for me especially
when CAVs was whacking their BUTTs by 50 and the MAVs team beat up NY by 50

which coach don't show any emotion after embarrassments like that ? I dont even recall the NJ Nets worst team in league
getting whacked by 50 and MDA comes up time and time again with smiles and cant answer "Why his team" played with no energy
or spirit.

WHY ? Cause the flipping coach dont have any spirit, guts and emotions to show he's dissatisfied and he is too soft
to change or do anything until he gets some GOOD players and STAR FA's to bail his sorry tail out of it.

Walsh and knicks roster gets way too much blame for this fool MDA
He was a good catch few seasons ago and had winning record, respected. He will get same pass this yr as last season
and over this upcoming summer.

But this damn fool MDA free pass ends on Oct/Nov. 2010 this season upcoming
I cant wait to see what happens then. MDA getting paid well he need to earn it and he hasnt yet here !

I cant stand Marbury and glad he's gone but perhaps maybe slight slither of what Marbs said was true on MDA
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3/7/2010  12:16 AM
DJ, right now MDA just sounds like a completely defeated man... he has no more answers to offer... he knows he's done a crappy job as the head coach & he knows he lost the team... right now he's coaching out the string just like the players are playing out the string... the rest of these games are completely worthless to anyone other than guys playing for their next contracts... u would think that we'd be featuring guys like Toney Douglas, Gallo & Wilson right now over other vets now that the games are completely meaningless, but i think we've seen the logical decisions are rarely made by this organization.
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3/7/2010  12:18 AM
TMS wrote:the rest of these games are completely worthless to anyone other than guys playing for their next contracts.

And the Utah Jazz.

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3/7/2010  12:18 AM
MDA's smiles have decreased or stopped. The media is paying attention to him and I think he has lost his team but McGrady is helping him out in the leadership role. If the media does their job and he continues to not be adequate at his job he may be under so much scrutiny that he doesn't come back.
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3/7/2010  12:23 AM
CrushAlot wrote:MDA's smiles have decreased or stopped. The media is paying attention to him and I think he has lost his team but McGrady is helping him out in the leadership role. If the media does their job and he continues to not be adequate at his job he may be under so much scrutiny that he doesn't come back.

MDA will be back. Walsh's neck is on the line here. That's why Walsh is taking some of the heat. How will he justify it to Dolan? $12 million for 100 losses and we need to let the guy go.

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3/7/2010  12:30 AM
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CrushAlot wrote:MDA's smiles have decreased or stopped. The media is paying attention to him and I think he has lost his team but McGrady is helping him out in the leadership role. If the media does their job and he continues to not be adequate at his job he may be under so much scrutiny that he doesn't come back.

MDA will be back. Walsh's neck is on the line here. That's why Walsh is taking some of the heat. How will he justify it to Dolan? $12 million for 100 losses and we need to let the guy go.

MDA will be back for 2010 w/o a doubt... after this summer all the excuses expire for both our GM & our head coach... both of these guys were all in on the 2010 plan from the very beginning so i don't see them changing course now... Dolan is loyal to a fault so he'll see this through to the end also... i think at this point nothing will change... everyone's hopes are pinned on July 1st... Lebron James can come here & make both Donnie & MDA look like a genius, or he can stay in CLE & make the Knicks the laughing stock of the NBA once again.

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3/7/2010  12:32 AM
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CrushAlot wrote:MDA's smiles have decreased or stopped. The media is paying attention to him and I think he has lost his team but McGrady is helping him out in the leadership role. If the media does their job and he continues to not be adequate at his job he may be under so much scrutiny that he doesn't come back.

MDA will be back. Walsh's neck is on the line here. That's why Walsh is taking some of the heat. How will he justify it to Dolan? $12 million for 100 losses and we need to let the guy go.

MDA will be back if he wants to be back. If the media starts focusing on him and the job he has done I would not be surprised to see him resign. If the Knicks only add one big free agent next year I think he is gone at the end of the season.
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3/7/2010  12:35 AM
TMS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:MDA's smiles have decreased or stopped. The media is paying attention to him and I think he has lost his team but McGrady is helping him out in the leadership role. If the media does their job and he continues to not be adequate at his job he may be under so much scrutiny that he doesn't come back.

MDA will be back. Walsh's neck is on the line here. That's why Walsh is taking some of the heat. How will he justify it to Dolan? $12 million for 100 losses and we need to let the guy go.

MDA will be back for 2010 w/o a doubt... after this summer all the excuses expire for both our GM & our head coach... both of these guys were all in on the 2010 plan from the very beginning so i don't see them changing course now... Dolan is loyal to a fault so he'll see this through to the end also... i think at this point nothing will change... everyone's hopes are pinned on July 1st... Lebron James can come here & make both Donnie & MDA look like a genius, or he can stay in CLE & make the Knicks the laughing stock of the NBA once again.


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3/7/2010  12:40 AM
We all know we want any 2 OF the big 3 (Kobe aint leaving)

So for me its a longshot to get LBJ Or Wade
however for now I'd be satisfied with Chris Bosh 'notches' below in 2nd TIER of Stars/Allstars

however now with Knicks and MDA I Aint sure Bosh will want to come here though Bosh mentioned Knicks favorably at season start
Why would Bosh come here ?

The HEAT and BULLs has cap $ money
pressure is less and Bosh having opportunity to play with Wade OR a better BULL team (ahead of knicks in development)
Problem i see is Bosh wont come here easily either.

That leaves Knicks out this summer on FA's studs

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3/7/2010  12:42 AM
TMS wrote:DJ, right now MDA just sounds like a completely defeated man... he has no more answers to offer... he knows he's done a crappy job as the head coach & he knows he lost the team... right now he's coaching out the string just like the players are playing out the string... the rest of these games are completely worthless to anyone other than guys playing for their next contracts... u would think that we'd be featuring guys like Toney Douglas, Gallo & Wilson right now over other vets now that the games are completely meaningless, but i think we've seen the logical decisions are rarely made by this organization.

I still don't get why they don't try out a Center from the d league. I mean even Lee admits he is playing out of position. You can play out the string, but a lot is riding on the number of losses for the pride of this franchise. Last thing fans want to see is the Knicks winning the lottery and handing Wall to Utah on a silver platter.

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3/7/2010  12:52 AM
WindsorPl wrote:
TMS wrote:DJ, right now MDA just sounds like a completely defeated man... he has no more answers to offer... he knows he's done a crappy job as the head coach & he knows he lost the team... right now he's coaching out the string just like the players are playing out the string... the rest of these games are completely worthless to anyone other than guys playing for their next contracts... u would think that we'd be featuring guys like Toney Douglas, Gallo & Wilson right now over other vets now that the games are completely meaningless, but i think we've seen the logical decisions are rarely made by this organization.

I still don't get why they don't try out a Center from the d league. I mean even Lee admits he is playing out of position. You can play out the string, but a lot is riding on the number of losses for the pride of this franchise. Last thing fans want to see is the Knicks winning the lottery and handing Wall to Utah on a silver platter.

i haven't read any reports that Donnie's been scouting guys in the D-Leagues, it's curious to me... why would we bother waiving Brian Cardinal in the first place if we weren't going to try & fill that roster spot?

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