BRIGGS wrote:

nychamp wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I would trade 20 David Lees for one Al Horford

Absolutely agree. Horford is the exact type of player we desperately need. Mostly for his attitude, which is night-and-day from NoDLee.

Also big +1 on the entire OP. Losers make excuses.

What the excuse--David Lee had 23 points 18 rebounds and 2 blocks--everyone else but Chandler scked and lost the game for us. Galliniari 6-11 38 minutes 1 rebound--no excuse necessary obvious sck. D Lee is talking about the team--not himself. I love to hear this stat padding--tell me how do you stat pad 18 rebounds???? Bad players=loses D Lee is a very good player. Same thing was said of Zach Randolph--what do you want Gallinari at PF and Yi at C/

Excuses for not being capable of stopping anyone, blaming it on being out of position.

If he's putting his body on the line each night but getting knocked around because he's too small, then it's a different story. Picture: a bruised, bleeding and exhausted Lee, having been knocked down after several attempts to stop a bigger man's drive, venting in frustration about being undersized. That's when you can rightly beef about being too small for your position.

But Dave, you're undersized so therefore you don't even try to body up and stop somebody? Take a charge? Contest a shot like you mean it? Give the fould to prevent a crucial hoop?

Not to mention the type of "woe is me" and self-centered mentality that his comments (and his play, if you're paying attention) indicate.

Maybe I'm stuck in a previous era of the NBA (see Oakley, Charles), but I have a hard time respecting a player who is so dreadfully uneven in his approach at the two ends of the floor.

And, relax, I'm not blaming him exclusively. The whole team sucks, including Gallo who I thought was going to be much better. I was a big Gallo lover early in the year, but he has been horrible in recent weeks. Most troublingly in the mental approach, which appeared to be one of his strengths. I hope he can pull it together.

He is a weak defender and nobody got his back. Guy does 9 things right an done thing subpar.

The guy has not one player backing him up.

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Do you guys remember Tony Campbell? He was a pretty good scorer and he even won a championship with the Lakers. He filled a modest role of instant offense for that team and he averaged 11 very effective points per game.

Then a couple of years later he joined the expansion Timberwolves and put up over 20 points per game! The Wolves won 22 games and 29 games during that time. Does that mean that tony Campbell was a borderline all-star player? NO! It means that Campbell was on a bad team and there was nobody else to score but him.

That is what David Lee is. The Tony Campbell of the putrid Knicks. If Lee is playing next to a stud center, or coming off the bench for a good team, he is a very effective player who will average around a double-double in 25+ minutes. And that double-double will mean a lot more in regard to winning games.

David Lee is a good player but he should not be scoring this many points or be asked to shoulder the load he is this year. If David Lee is scoring 20+ points and pulling down 15 rebounds you have a 20 - 30 win team.

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