djsunyc wrote:end of game coaching by d'antoni is epic...

The moron doesn't understand how to use fouls.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:If his 'system' wins a championship in NY it will be despite his philosophies. I don't think it is possible and I am ready for the next era at this point. I hope Donnie can fortify D'Antoni's team with a group of stars that don't need coaching and can win without a leader at the helm.

DEAD WRONG!!!! Now if you concede that we may not get Lebron or Wade, then you're talking about a team that doesn't have one of the top 5 players in the league, which is usually the case for championship teams. So that means that we won't be winning purely because we have the best talent but instead part of what will get us over the top will be the coaching of MDA!

His PHX teams weren't juggernauts. They weren't great on D and yet he did manage to get his team to the WCF. One year without Amare or a real center. IF that doesn't prove that he's a more than usual coach then I don't know what to tell you, cuz he had no business going so far with a team that featured Diaw, Bell KT and TT. Man the guy got that team to the WCF!!!! You want to hold it against him that the didn't win!?! MDA actually made Diaw & Bell look good. Those players never looked as good after MDA left.

People try to say that the Suns haven't won as much the last 2 yrs due to Nash slippin, but the stats say that isn't really true. He's having a great year. Their D was supposed to improve without MDA and yet it's gotten worse.

you make it sound like phx was a bunch o bums.

for what he is doing in ny: does he seem to be getting the most out of dg/td/wc? do they seem to be learning anything?

sidsanders wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:If his 'system' wins a championship in NY it will be despite his philosophies. I don't think it is possible and I am ready for the next era at this point. I hope Donnie can fortify D'Antoni's team with a group of stars that don't need coaching and can win without a leader at the helm.

DEAD WRONG!!!! Now if you concede that we may not get Lebron or Wade, then you're talking about a team that doesn't have one of the top 5 players in the league, which is usually the case for championship teams. So that means that we won't be winning purely because we have the best talent but instead part of what will get us over the top will be the coaching of MDA!

His PHX teams weren't juggernauts. They weren't great on D and yet he did manage to get his team to the WCF. One year without Amare or a real center. IF that doesn't prove that he's a more than usual coach then I don't know what to tell you, cuz he had no business going so far with a team that featured Diaw, Bell KT and TT. Man the guy got that team to the WCF!!!! You want to hold it against him that the didn't win!?! MDA actually made Diaw & Bell look good. Those players never looked as good after MDA left.

People try to say that the Suns haven't won as much the last 2 yrs due to Nash slippin, but the stats say that isn't really true. He's having a great year. Their D was supposed to improve without MDA and yet it's gotten worse.

you make it sound like phx was a bunch o bums.

for what he is doing in ny: does he seem to be getting the most out of dg/td/wc? do they seem to be learning anything?

Didn't you know, Steve Nash was some guy that wander in off the street and was given a chance and Amare was a major stiff until D'Antoni got there.

Pharzeone wrote:

djsunyc wrote:end of game coaching by d'antoni is epic...

The moron doesn't understand how to use fouls.

I didn't see the game, i'm at the studio, but down 6 with about a minute left after Sonny Weems makes his shot, at what point did you want the knicks to start fouling? 43 second left? 30, 24? What exactly is so game saving about commiting the foul at that point?

nixluva wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

djsunyc wrote:end of game coaching by d'antoni is epic...

The moron doesn't understand how to use fouls.

I didn't see the game, i'm at the studio, but down 6 with about a minute left after Sonny Weems makes his shot, at what point did you want the knicks to start fouling? 43 second left? 30, 24? What exactly is so game saving about commiting the foul at that point?

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

djsunyc wrote:end of game coaching by d'antoni is epic...

The moron doesn't understand how to use fouls.

I didn't see the game, i'm at the studio, but down 6 with about a minute left after Sonny Weems makes his shot, at what point did you want the knicks to start fouling? 43 second left? 30, 24? What exactly is so game saving about commiting the foul at that point?

If you watch the game later Kenny Albert will point out the time when the Knicks allow 22 seconds to run off the shot clock at the end of the game instead of fouling.

Were the Knicks in the penalty yet? I do know that MDA doesn't like fouls and feels that it's giving a team the highest % shot which against some teams will not work. I can understand the tactic in certain cases. It's a low % tactic tho in terms of being effective. Just cuz many coaches use it and it once in a while actually works, doesn't mean it's always worth doing.

Also trust me MDA chooses not to do it. I don't think it's a case where he's just lost and didn't think of it.

Nix, I know you aren't new to basketball. Are you telling me that you never saw a team play the clock but fouling??? Come on, I understand you want to defend this coach at all cost but let's not get carried away with it. Clock management have been used since I started watching games in the 70s. I know it didn't start then. Once again this isn't rocket science it is basic NBA late game clock management.

nixluva wrote:After two difficult seasons in New York, Mike D'Antoni remains confident in his own coaching game plan and the team's strategy of building a winner through free-agency.

"I’m 100 percent sure the way we want to play will win," D'Antoni said in response to a question about his quick-paced style of basketball. "I think we’ll win a championship this way. Now, not today. But that’s where we want to get to."

D'Antoni admitted that he came in thinking he could turn the Knicks around right away.

"Didn’t happen. Underperformed a little bit, no doubt about it," he said. "Again, all we can do is keep slogging away and keep trying to get better and understand where the plan’s going and we’ll have a good shot at it for next year."

D'Antoni appreciates the support Donnie Walsh has given him in taking the blame for the Knicks' poor play.

"That’s awful nice of him, first of all, and that’s why I came here, because I have so much faith in him that we can get the job done together. There’s nobody out of the boat; everybody’s in the same boat."

Read more: http://www2.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/65152/20100305/dantoni_my_system_will_produce_title_for_knicks/#ixzz0hLLTHmTD

Now that's the kind of confidence I want to hear. I actually agree with him. Any system can win if you have the right players running it. It's actually a good fit for the kind of guys we'll likely end up getting. I expect a lot of great shooters to be added and guys that are also very good passers. So long as DW can make sure to get guys who can also play D, we should be a very formidable team under MDA. We've never seen this system here with a higher caliber of players running it. I also expect Gallo and Chan to improve being around better players and leaders.

I was always curious why D'Antoni was hired to lose for 2 years, made no sense to me. Well now we know. He was hired to turn the team around right away.

D'Antoni admitted that he came in thinking he could turn the Knicks around right away.

"Didn’t happen. Underperformed a little bit, no doubt about it," he said

What makes you think he will not underperform by a "little bit" going forward?

I will say this, he has a way of playing the game that has been proven to be effective but like any coach you need players. I think we'll see what MDA is trying to do once we improve the roster and bring more balance to the team. You start with good talent and then a good coach can work to get the most out of that talent. MDA is a system guy and in any sport when you have a system guy, it's gonna look ugly when you don't have the horses to run the system. That's what DW's job is. He's gonna make sure to bring in guys that can play and it will all make sense at that point. Don't make the mistake of judging a coach's worth by how he looks with a bad team.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:there is 1 common factor to just about every NBA championship team, & that is they had several defensive minded players & they stressed team defense

Lakers - West, Kareem, Green, Cooper, Shaq, Kobe, Horry
Celtics - Russell, Havlicek, Cowens, Silas, Chaney, Bird, McHale, Johnson, Parrish, KG, Rondo, Pierce, Powe
Knicks - Reed, Frazier, DeBusschere
Rockets - Dream, Maxwell, Drexler, Horry
Pistons - Salley, Rodman, Laimbeer, Dumars, Mahorn, Big Ben, Tayshaun, Billups
Heat - Shaq, Wade, Zo, Payton, Posey, Haslem, Anderson
Bulls - Jordan, Rodman, Grant, Pippen, Harper, Brown, Kukoc, Salley, Cartwright, Williams
Spurs - Robinson, Duncan, Manu, Bowen, Horry

can't seem to come up with a list of championship teams that stressed wanton 3 point shooting & don't put a premium on playing good team defense tho... if u know of any let me know.

See that's the problem. What we're talking about here isn't a philosophy but a matter of roster composition. DW is a guy that has stressed defensive players being on his teams and I don't see him changing now. MDA is not averse to having a defensive presence as we saw in how they used Bell and Marion. They had a pretty effective team defensive concept that allowed them to win games. I see no reason to assume that we won't see this team also have some defensive approach that is similar.

We'll have a good defense when we bring in guys that can defend and want to defend and execute the defense that the coach institutes.

Well, no. We can name teams with "great" players that couldn't put it together. Look at the Payton/Malone/Bryant/Oneil Lakers. Then look at teams like the Pistons that didn't have any MVP caliber playes (though Billups is certainly making a statement these days. Teams that stress defense don't always win (BoobKittens? any Brown led team other than the Pistons?) While offensive minded teams with good defense do (Lakers, Triangle offense, Bulls, triangle offense).

If we are criticizing the SSOL system, I think its biggest flaw is that it doesn't put other teams in the penalty or put opposing players on the bench with personal fouls. Now, put a player like Wade or James or even Joe Johnson or Corey Maggette (5 years ago Maggette)-- guys who consistently draw contact and get to the line-- and I think it gets moved into the discussion with the Triangle Offense.