franco12 wrote:fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:Briggs- great question! I didn't know you knew how to create a poll on uk?So - really, though, your question could be: When Walsh introduces Joe Johnson as our key off season signing, is Joe Johnson better/better value than Zach Randolph.
And maybe you have to ask - what is better- Joe Johnson & David Lee or
David Lee
Zach
& Crawford.
Oh, and
Jordan Hill
Our own 2011 draft pick
and our 2012 draft pick.
That is why it is Lebron or Bust!!!!!!!!!!
Is that better than
PG Joe Johnson
SG Tracy McGrady
SF Gallo
PF Lee
C Tyrus Thomas
bench: Chandler, Douglas, WalkerSeems like a plausable squad and a solid fall back plan. We have the money to make that happen. JJ isnt getting the max. He might get 5 years and $60mm but thats not max.
we don't have the money for that and is that a team that will beat upper end teams? How long before T mac goes down? way too many ?????
this was in response to getting Tyrus:
I think he should be anyway. In fact I would take Tyrus over Bosh because of the money. Bosh = $17mm. Tyrus = $9.5mm (5 years $55mm). Lee = $9mm (6 years $70mm).
So for the same price for Bosh + some veteran min (Mikki Moore?) scrub you can have Lee and Tyrus Thomas. Is this even a debate? THEN you have $17mm left to offer a max FA. Obviously I am shooting for Lebron. But say Lebron scorns us and it turns out that Tracy McGrady is pretty damn good the rest of the year. Say we do:
Joe Johnson 5 years $59mm (starting at $10mm)
TMac 5 years $41mm (starting at $7mm)
I think with Horford's max contract looming and playing for MDA again that Atl would let JJ walk for that. The xfactor is McGrady and if he's healthy and feeling healthy would he accept that? I would certainly hope so. Its a wild card but assuming he shows he has some legs left next 6 weeks your line up next year would look like this:
PG Joe Johnson 6'7
SG McGrady 6'8
SF Gallo 6'10
PF Lee 6'9
C TThomas 6'10
bench: Douglas, Chandler, Giddens, Walker
Boy thats a lot of size and skill to deal with. I like the bench also.
If the McGrady wildcard comes though thats a good and plausable team.
You would give McGrady a 5 year deal?
In two years, that group is over the hill and we're not sniffing the play offs. And then whoever the new GM is is trying to please Dolan by "adding one more piece", and is trading future draft picks to bring in some overpaid veteran.
in two years? How do you figure? JJ is 30. TMac is 31. Lee is 25 and Tyrus is 23 (ish). How is that a 2 year window? How long has Ray Allen be playing well? Reggie Miller? Plus Chandler and Gallo are rotation guys. Sorry.. thats not an old team at all.
As for TMac here is the deal. He's said he wants to be here and resign for less money bla bla bla.
but if he stays healthy and plays well these next 20 games what is his value? I would thing if you can get 55 games a year out of him and he's playing like he did against Det the other night or like he did in his first game thats a valuable player. He's a veteran thats going to play at a high level and thats crucial late in games. I would certainly think a team will add a guy like that, for the very least the full MLE.
What if he gives us 20/6/5 and plays well over then next 20 games. What then?
The 5 year deal is the trade off for getting him to sign for less. That is my thought process. A lot of teams are going to strike out on FA. If McGrady plays well cant you see the Bulls offer him 2 years/$28mm? Thats out of our price range, but the 5 year deal is a good counter to those types of offers which will be there if he's in good shape.
As for "adding pieces" so what? We will be good. Detroit won a title "adding pieces." Sure its the exception, but this is plan B we are talking about. We did this to have a chance to sign Lebron or another star. When was the last time we were in that mix?
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3/5/2010 2:36 PM