Pharzeone wrote:

TMS wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fallback option meaning, if Lebron says no. So everyone here has come to the conclusion that Lebron probably aint coming to the big apple. What do you guys suggest we do when Lebron turns us down? Should the new slogan be Carmelo or bust 2011? And then he turns us down, Dwight or bust? and so on ans so forth....Instead of moaning and groaning why dont we offer some alternatives....

i haven't come to the conclusion that Lebron's not coming... no one knows that answer yet except for Lebron if he even knows himself... but i'll tell u what my alternatives are if Lebron doesn't come to NY this summer:

1 - throw a tantrum on ultimateknicks.com that would make islesfan blush
2 - fire Donnie Walsh
3 - fire MDA
4 - hire a GM who won't mortgage our entire future on any 1 player to come here to be our savior
5 - hire a coach who will preach defense & an uptempo style offense predicated on ball movement & player movement w/o the ball rather than catching & shooting at will, & who won't play petty favorites in the lockerroom
6 - sign or trade for a PG who can run said offense using our cap space this summer if one is available
7 - sign or trade for a shotblocking, defensive C who can run the floor & finish
8 - go hard after Chris Bosh & sell him on the plan that he'll be "the man" in NY
9 - if Bosh says no, throw another tantrum on ultimateknicks.com
10 - shift my entire focus to baseball

Um... you stole my ideas. The next GM should be on the phone with the Hornets as soon as Lebron shakes Ferry's hand. Get out there with Lee for some S&T talks particularly with the Thunder. I would add that I would target Camby no matter what.

we have nothing to offer the Hornets to motivate them to give up CP3 & the same goes for the Thunder for Westbrook... if we had our picks u might have something, but we don't... we'll be looking at players like Baron Davis or maaaaaybe Monta Ellis... more likely someone like Gilbert Arenas.

TMS wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

TMS wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fallback option meaning, if Lebron says no. So everyone here has come to the conclusion that Lebron probably aint coming to the big apple. What do you guys suggest we do when Lebron turns us down? Should the new slogan be Carmelo or bust 2011? And then he turns us down, Dwight or bust? and so on ans so forth....Instead of moaning and groaning why dont we offer some alternatives....

i haven't come to the conclusion that Lebron's not coming... no one knows that answer yet except for Lebron if he even knows himself... but i'll tell u what my alternatives are if Lebron doesn't come to NY this summer:

1 - throw a tantrum on ultimateknicks.com that would make islesfan blush
2 - fire Donnie Walsh
3 - fire MDA
4 - hire a GM who won't mortgage our entire future on any 1 player to come here to be our savior
5 - hire a coach who will preach defense & an uptempo style offense predicated on ball movement & player movement w/o the ball rather than catching & shooting at will, & who won't play petty favorites in the lockerroom
6 - sign or trade for a PG who can run said offense using our cap space this summer if one is available
7 - sign or trade for a shotblocking, defensive C who can run the floor & finish
8 - go hard after Chris Bosh & sell him on the plan that he'll be "the man" in NY
9 - if Bosh says no, throw another tantrum on ultimateknicks.com
10 - shift my entire focus to baseball

Um... you stole my ideas. The next GM should be on the phone with the Hornets as soon as Lebron shakes Ferry's hand. Get out there with Lee for some S&T talks particularly with the Thunder. I would add that I would target Camby no matter what.

we have nothing to offer the Hornets to motivate them to give up CP3 & the same goes for the Thunder for Westbrook... if we had our picks u might have something, but we don't... we'll be looking at players like Baron Davis or maaaaaybe Monta Ellis... more likely someone like Gilbert Arenas.

Yeah it''s crazy. We can't build with youth because we keep flipping our picks and it'll be tough building through free agency because there are only a few players available who are capable of carrying a franchise. This almost reminds of the time I was kid and all of the PS Ones were sold out. Instead of waiting for more to come in, I bought a friggin Sega Saturn which I played for three months before getting a PS One. That's what a Joe Johnson signing would remind me off. It would be exciting for a few months until we realized he can't carry a team and that we should've waited for Melo.

We can't get paralyzed by the idea of not getting one of those guys. Instead we must focus on putting a group that fits on the floor. We need size & more toughness inside. That would mean Bosh, Amare, Camby, Tyrus or Tyson Chandler. Then if you add a Joe Johnson it would give you real balance and then our other players would be lifted up by being part of a more balanced and talented roster. Young role players that are here now like Walker could easily be brought back and be effective on that kind of roster and from there we keep building the team. It's a start and not a one shot deal.

nixluva wrote:Still with the doom n gloom? There are a ton of options available and I don't think it's gonna be Lebron or bust nor do I think we'll be forced to take expensive scraps. What I do expect is for DW to do his best to put together a great team. To start with you need LEAD players and there's nothing wrong with going after proven performers to center the team around. It's not the same as building around a superstar of which there are only a few in the league ie Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Melo & Durant.

We can't get paralyzed by the idea of not getting one of those guys. Instead we must focus on putting a group that fits on the floor. We need size & more toughness inside. That would mean Bosh, Amare, Camby, Tyrus or Tyson Chandler. Then if you add a Joe Johnson it would give you real balance and then our other players would be lifted up by being part of a more balanced and talented roster. Young role players that are here now like Walker could easily be brought back and be effective on that kind of roster and from there we keep building the team. It's a start and not a one shot deal.

Nix are you kidding. You can just post Walsh face over Zeke's. If no Lebron/Wade/Bosh aren't here to shake Dolan's hand.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't see why we have to feel defeated if we don't get Lebron or Wade! The chances were never in our favor to begin with. Now a Bosh/JJ is possible. Also u could decide to cherry pick guys that are young up and coming players like Gay and Monta Ellis etc. Along with an Amare. Teams may be willing to deal with us knowing we cam take players off their hands that are good but too expensive to fit into their plans.

dude, we have no assets to give up to trade for young up & comers like Rudy Gay... Monta Ellis is a huge stretch also considering the Warriors just refused a trade package of OJ Mayo & Hasheem Thabeet... what the hell do the Knicks have left to offer this summer? 1st round picks would have been hugely valuable if we missed out on the bigname FA's cuz they'd likely be lottery picks, but we no longer own the rights to those picks for the next 3 drafts... a Gallo & Wilson package is not going to land us a top name this summer.

Amare wants to go to Miami to play with D Wade.

the only players that teams will look to dump for salary cap are players that aren't taking their teams anywhere, just like we did with Zach Randolph a year ago... we'll be looking at guys like Gilbert Arenas or Elton Brand in that scenario.

u are probably the only Knick fan in existence that wouldn't feel defeated if we end up settling for guys like this.

Man there's no need to insult me by suggesting I'd be happy with guys like Arenas or Brand! You make a good point about trades but you forget that we can do multi team deals and provide cap relief for teams since we have to bring in players to fillout the roster. All you have said is that it won't be as easy but it's far from impossible. For one thing until we renounce our players we can use them in trades. Some have value and some are very cheap prospects that a team may be willing to take in order to move a contract. You can't say what we won't be able to do cuz you can't account for every possible scenario.

Pharzeone wrote:

nixluva wrote:Still with the doom n gloom? There are a ton of options available and I don't think it's gonna be Lebron or bust nor do I think we'll be forced to take expensive scraps. What I do expect is for DW to do his best to put together a great team. To start with you need LEAD players and there's nothing wrong with going after proven performers to center the team around. It's not the same as building around a superstar of which there are only a few in the league ie Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Melo & Durant.

We can't get paralyzed by the idea of not getting one of those guys. Instead we must focus on putting a group that fits on the floor. We need size & more toughness inside. That would mean Bosh, Amare, Camby, Tyrus or Tyson Chandler. Then if you add a Joe Johnson it would give you real balance and then our other players would be lifted up by being part of a more balanced and talented roster. Young role players that are here now like Walker could easily be brought back and be effective on that kind of roster and from there we keep building the team. It's a start and not a one shot deal.

Nix are you kidding. You can just post Walsh face over Zeke's. If no Lebron/Wade/Bosh aren't here to shake Dolan's hand.

Dolan sucks, he drove the Rangers and the Knicks to below mediocrity.

nixluva wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:

TMS wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:

TMS wrote:

Uptown wrote:Fallback option meaning, if Lebron says no. So everyone here has come to the conclusion that Lebron probably aint coming to the big apple. What do you guys suggest we do when Lebron turns us down? Should the new slogan be Carmelo or bust 2011? And then he turns us down, Dwight or bust? and so on ans so forth....Instead of moaning and groaning why dont we offer some alternatives....

i haven't come to the conclusion that Lebron's not coming... no one knows that answer yet except for Lebron if he even knows himself... but i'll tell u what my alternatives are if Lebron doesn't come to NY this summer:

1 - throw a tantrum on ultimateknicks.com that would make islesfan blush
2 - fire Donnie Walsh
3 - fire MDA
4 - hire a GM who won't mortgage our entire future on any 1 player to come here to be our savior
5 - hire a coach who will preach defense & an uptempo style offense predicated on ball movement & player movement w/o the ball rather than catching & shooting at will, & who won't play petty favorites in the lockerroom
6 - sign or trade for a PG who can run said offense using our cap space this summer if one is available
7 - sign or trade for a shotblocking, defensive C who can run the floor & finish
8 - go hard after Chris Bosh & sell him on the plan that he'll be "the man" in NY
9 - if Bosh says no, throw another tantrum on ultimateknicks.com
10 - shift my entire focus to baseball

Disagree with 1, 9 and 10. The rest I agree with.
Sounds simple enough. But it is actually tough to do as the Knicks have proven over the last 10 years.

basically here's what i'd be looking to do if we miss out on Lebron & Wade this summer:

C - Camby $7M / 2nd round pick $0.5M / Curry $11M
PF - Bosh $17M / 2nd round pick (Varnado?) $0.5M
SF - Gallo $3M / Walker $1M / Summer League invite $0.5M
SG - Wilson $2M / Douglas or Giddens $1M
PG - Felton $7M / Sergio $3M

head coach - Avery Johnson
GM - Jerry West?

that's Plan B ($54M payroll) & should be good enough to get us back to the playoffs, which is probably what Dolan will be focused on, & we'll have at least 1 of the bignames out of this summer's FA class.

if we miss out on Bosh too, then Plan C is to re-sign D Lee to $12M, sign T-Mac to a 1 year $6M deal & wait til 2011 to make a run at Melo when Curry & T-Mac's contracts come off the books... if T-Mac don't want a 1 year deal, screw him & look for someone who does.

I never understood why D'Antoni was hired to lose for 2 years. He is not a teacher, can't coach rookies, does not emphasize Defense.
Avery was my choice 2 years ago, still is now.

Can u explain how it is that great Avery is currently unemployed? If he's so special why isn't he winning games somewhere? MDA had a higher approval rating at the time among players and other coaches.

Pharzeone wrote:Avery collecting checks from two places. Teams were very much interested in him but he informed them of his financial situation and they weren't going to match what he is currently getting. Just like Brown, Avery ain't going to give back free money. I guarantee you if MDA is fired at the end of the season he will sit back and collect his money until his contract is up.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't see why we have to feel defeated if we don't get Lebron or Wade! The chances were never in our favor to begin with. Now a Bosh/JJ is possible. Also u could decide to cherry pick guys that are young up and coming players like Gay and Monta Ellis etc. Along with an Amare. Teams may be willing to deal with us knowing we cam take players off their hands that are good but too expensive to fit into their plans.

dude, we have no assets to give up to trade for young up & comers like Rudy Gay... Monta Ellis is a huge stretch also considering the Warriors just refused a trade package of OJ Mayo & Hasheem Thabeet... what the hell do the Knicks have left to offer this summer? 1st round picks would have been hugely valuable if we missed out on the bigname FA's cuz they'd likely be lottery picks, but we no longer own the rights to those picks for the next 3 drafts... a Gallo & Wilson package is not going to land us a top name this summer.

Amare wants to go to Miami to play with D Wade.

the only players that teams will look to dump for salary cap are players that aren't taking their teams anywhere, just like we did with Zach Randolph a year ago... we'll be looking at guys like Gilbert Arenas or Elton Brand in that scenario.

u are probably the only Knick fan in existence that wouldn't feel defeated if we end up settling for guys like this.

Man there's no need to insult me by suggesting I'd be happy with guys like Arenas or Brand! You make a good point about trades but you forget that we can do multi team deals and provide cap relief for teams since we have to bring in players to fillout the roster. All you have said is that it won't be as easy but it's far from impossible. For one thing until we renounce our players we can use them in trades. Some have value and some are very cheap prospects that a team may be willing to take in order to move a contract. You can't say what we won't be able to do cuz you can't account for every possible scenario.

i didn't say this to insult u & i apologize if u took it that way... u have to realize in order to make trades for good players, u need assets to give in return... it's not only unlikely that we won't be able to get guys like Gay & Ellis, it actually IS impossible because we don't have the assets to offer those teams for them to make the trade with us... there are no other realistic scenarios for Donnie Walsh to pursue this summer other than signing whatever free agents he can sell NY on OR trading for players w/bloated contracts that other teams are looking to unload for little in return... we are not getting any players who are hitting their primes that are putting up big numbers on their respective teams right now in a trade without assets my friend.