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For the situation we were in in 2008 was MDA the right choice for coach


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BRIGGS
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We could put many variables in here--but Ive gone to a simple yes no answer. I voted no because it made no sense hiring a coach for so much money when our only *plan* was to get as much free agent money and put a core together through the draft and concentrate on development for 2 years. I think we will not know whether or not Jordan Hill wouldve been a decent player going forward because he was not afforded reasonable consistent time that a 7 pick should get on a 30 win team void of size.
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Pharzeone
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3/1/2010  12:36 PM
djsunyc wrote:lb has won in multiple stops.
adelman has won in multiple stops.
d'antoni does not have their pedigree or resume.

skiles is proving his pedigree now with the bucks.

d'antoni is still a big question mark.

if mike brown can get lebron to the finals, then is paying a guy like d'antoni $4 mil a year necessary?

there is nothing he has shown over the past 2 seasons to have some of you stick up for the guy.

Both you and I said this two years ago. The test was on D'Antoni to see how well can do without Nash. And I think that has been answered at this point. For as I am concern D'Antoni is not on par with good coaches in the league on his own merit. I remember guys calling out Mike Brown last year for winning COY with Lebron. I think Mike Brown can do more with Lebron than D'Antoni can at this point. Give him two or 3 all-star players and he is able to compete but it seems like a waste. I rather see what Lebron/Wade/Bosh can do with a quality coach not a slacker. Could be the difference from winning championships or just always coming up short.

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3/1/2010  12:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2010  12:43 PM
Mike is good coach but he is not development specialist.
He is not good in developing young players and working his tail off with bad teams to push them to win 35 games instead of 25-30.
IF he was hired for this thinds it was wrong decision.
But this all objectives are never the case with Knicks and will never be.
We had JVG and Vilkins who are in business of scrub-improvement and do we like it?
Mike will be usefull when we will get players who can ball. And we are still away 1-2 years from this.
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3/1/2010  1:12 PM
crzymdups wrote:briggs, you keep saying jordan hill was pick 7. he was pick 8. i think that makes a huge difference in how much playing time he gets.

What?

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3/1/2010  1:47 PM
darko game log:

19 mins, 8 pts, 8 rebs, 1 blk, 2 asts
24 mins, 4 pts, 2 rebs, 3 blks
10 mins, 0 pts, 2 rebs, 4 blks
25 mins, 6 pts, 9 rebs
23 mins, 4 pts, 4 rebs, 3 blks

so that's 11 blocks in 5 games after not playing in 3+ months...

d'antoni has done a butcher job with darko + curry + hill...

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3/1/2010  1:55 PM
Since the 4mil is not problem to me cuz its not my money, I don't care.

MDA wanted in. The pay is good and he new it would be rough. The HOPE is this place could rock under the right circumstances.

Look at Memphis now. They basically got ZRandolph as part of the Gasol trade cuz they created cap space to absorb his contract. In the long run, the Trade with the Lakes makes them look good. Maybe we can give it at least 6 months before we pass judgement.

We now have cap room to keep Dlee, some pieces and Lebron. If it boiled down to DLee for JHill, and it might have, then Im keeping Dlee.

I don't disagree with Briggs at all and do think you play Jordan Hill and Toney Douglass but now things have changed. Not playing Hughes or Nate at times I think was correct.

Im not privy to what and how Jhill does in practice nor break down the film. I think there has been a sense of urgency (now gone) to make the playoffs this year and keep the attendance and viewership up. If Jhill or Darko could have filled a role they would certainly have played.

MDA had turned Dlee into an allstar and Chandler has also done quite well. The jury is still out our gallo and perhaps if he can work out in the summer we can see a full season from him. I believe last summer he was told to rest.

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3/1/2010  2:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2010  2:27 PM
djsunyc wrote:darko game log:

19 mins, 8 pts, 8 rebs, 1 blk, 2 asts
24 mins, 4 pts, 2 rebs, 3 blks
10 mins, 0 pts, 2 rebs, 4 blks
25 mins, 6 pts, 9 rebs
23 mins, 4 pts, 4 rebs, 3 blks

so that's 11 blocks in 5 games after not playing in 3+ months...

d'antoni has done a butcher job with darko + curry + hill...

That's why I am saying keep an eye on Tyrus Thomas. We need a guy who can do things what a 7 footer can do in an athletic 6-9 body. If they get Tyrus and Joe Johnson if no LBJ it would not surprise me

Joe Johnson--max :(
Tyrus Thomas 5 years 60mm
Antony Morrow 5 years 32mm
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33mm

Line up

Ty Thomas
Galliari
Chandler
Morrow
J Johnson

This is more of an MDA team

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3/1/2010  3:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:darko game log:

19 mins, 8 pts, 8 rebs, 1 blk, 2 asts
24 mins, 4 pts, 2 rebs, 3 blks
10 mins, 0 pts, 2 rebs, 4 blks
25 mins, 6 pts, 9 rebs
23 mins, 4 pts, 4 rebs, 3 blks

so that's 11 blocks in 5 games after not playing in 3+ months...

d'antoni has done a butcher job with darko + curry + hill...

That's why I am saying keep an eye on Tyrus Thomas. We need a guy who can do things what a 7 footer can do in an athletic 6-9 body. If they get Tyrus and Joe Johnson if no LBJ it would not surprise me

Joe Johnson--max :(
Tyrus Thomas 5 years 60mm
Antony Morrow 5 years 32mm
----------------------------
33mm

Line up

Ty Thomas
Galliari
Chandler
Morrow
J Johnson

This is more of an MDA team

The MAX for a 2nd tier player and $92M for 2 bench players? That's awful.

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3/1/2010  3:55 PM
Bruising 7 footers would rebound and block a couple of shots are not needed on this team
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3/1/2010  3:58 PM
djsunyc wrote:darko game log:

19 mins, 8 pts, 8 rebs, 1 blk, 2 asts
24 mins, 4 pts, 2 rebs, 3 blks
10 mins, 0 pts, 2 rebs, 4 blks
25 mins, 6 pts, 9 rebs
23 mins, 4 pts, 4 rebs, 3 blks

so that's 11 blocks in 5 games after not playing in 3+ months...

d'antoni has done a butcher job with darko + curry + hill...

Darko should have been our starter from the beginning. I said this many times.

But hold the phone. Curry is a fat injured slob who couldn't do anything for us and Jordan Hill is a disaster of a player. Let's not start pretending that "if Mike had played them" they'd be putting up 20/7 (Eddy) and 20/10/5/4/3/HOF numbers (Jordan DuncanGarnettWiltHakeem Hill).

So, please, let's be realistic here.

Darko should have played. Curry and Hill were garbage and didn't deserve to play.

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3/1/2010  3:59 PM
they asked curry to get in shape. he did. then he sat on the bench.
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3/1/2010  4:02 PM
djsunyc wrote:they asked curry to get in shape. he did. then he sat on the bench.

In shape or not he was still a mess of a player and a mess mentally. He wasn't helping us to do anything. He was an absolute disaster out there when he did play. He showed no reason for the team to shelve their plan for the next 20 games and just force him into game shape. None at all.

Knicks were right to banish him once they saw this.

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3/1/2010  4:11 PM
Cosmic wrote:
djsunyc wrote:they asked curry to get in shape. he did. then he sat on the bench.

In shape or not he was still a mess of a player and a mess mentally. He wasn't helping us to do anything. He was an absolute disaster out there when he did play. He showed no reason for the team to shelve their plan for the next 20 games and just force him into game shape. None at all.

Knicks were right to banish him once they saw this.


I don't accept chitting out 15lbs of feces through colon cleansing getting into shape. The fact he couldn't stay on the court shows how out of shape he still was and how his body couldn't adjust.

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3/1/2010  4:27 PM
Juice wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
djsunyc wrote:they asked curry to get in shape. he did. then he sat on the bench.

In shape or not he was still a mess of a player and a mess mentally. He wasn't helping us to do anything. He was an absolute disaster out there when he did play. He showed no reason for the team to shelve their plan for the next 20 games and just force him into game shape. None at all.

Knicks were right to banish him once they saw this.


I don't accept chitting out 15lbs of feces through colon cleansing getting into shape. The fact he couldn't stay on the court shows how out of shape he still was and how his body couldn't adjust.

Good point. Just being slimmer isn't the same as being in shape - nor being mentally prepared - or giving a crap.

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3/1/2010  5:06 PM
Cosmic wrote:
Juice wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
djsunyc wrote:they asked curry to get in shape. he did. then he sat on the bench.

In shape or not he was still a mess of a player and a mess mentally. He wasn't helping us to do anything. He was an absolute disaster out there when he did play. He showed no reason for the team to shelve their plan for the next 20 games and just force him into game shape. None at all.

Knicks were right to banish him once they saw this.


I don't accept chitting out 15lbs of feces through colon cleansing getting into shape. The fact he couldn't stay on the court shows how out of shape he still was and how his body couldn't adjust.

Good point. Just being slimmer isn't the same as being in shape - nor being mentally prepared - or giving a crap.

obviously he gave a crap.

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3/1/2010  6:11 PM
I dont know bout you guys but im starting to believe that mike dam'toni is a joke of a coach.

djsunyc and most of you are on the ball. This coach has no proven record. He has devalued lots of players who no longer is on this team

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WOODMANnYk wrote:I dont know bout you guys but im starting to believe that mike dam'toni is a joke of a coach.

djsunyc and most of you are on the ball. This coach has no proven record. He has devalued lots of players who no longer is on this team

I'm sorry, but those of you who feel this way are completely BLIND to what the gameplan here was. Which was to tear down the roster. You guys speak as if Walsh made the trades he did the past two years with intent to put a playoff contender on the court - and Mike failed to make it happen.

How many times do people have to explain that the roster was being torn down in an effort to start over in 2010, and that Mike was put in to get established with the franchise, and to be here when the new team was built, and was entirely on board with Walsh from the start knowing the past two years would be spent tearing down the roster?

Meanwhile, Mike has no proven record? Phoenix Suns say hi:

Guess what? That was a good roster. Guess what we're going to build starting in 2010? A good roster.


The willing blindness of some fans is excruciatingly painful now.

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3/1/2010  6:41 PM
Cosmic wrote:
djsunyc wrote:they asked curry to get in shape. he did. then he sat on the bench.

In shape or not he was still a mess of a player and a mess mentally. He wasn't helping us to do anything. He was an absolute disaster out there when he did play. He showed no reason for the team to shelve their plan for the next 20 games and just force him into game shape. None at all.

Knicks were right to banish him once they saw this.

The Knicks have played 58 games and lost 38 of them. What plan for the team did they have that Eddy was going to mess up? Eddy doesn't fit into D'Antoni's plans whether he is in game shape or not.
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3/1/2010  6:44 PM
WOODMANnYk wrote:I dont know bout you guys but im starting to believe that mike dam'toni is a joke of a coach.

djsunyc and most of you are on the ball. This coach has no proven record. He has devalued lots of players who no longer is on this team

Man we just got rid of a bunch of guys and I could tell you that their value or lack thereof had little to do with MDA. Not every coach is the same in how they succeed and what they specialize in. Phil Jackson is great at handling great players, but you'll never see him try to coach a team of loser players. He doesn't want to be bothered. Then you've got guys that prefer to coach guys that are more lunchpail than superstar in nature, like JVG. Give him a team of grinders and he's happy. Some guys are teachers like LB and they love working with young talent and molding them. Still on most teams it's the staff that works individually with guys and especially with developing the kids.

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3/1/2010  6:45 PM
Cosmic wrote:
WOODMANnYk wrote:I dont know bout you guys but im starting to believe that mike dam'toni is a joke of a coach.

djsunyc and most of you are on the ball. This coach has no proven record. He has devalued lots of players who no longer is on this team

I'm sorry, but those of you who feel this way are completely BLIND to what the gameplan here was. Which was to tear down the roster. You guys speak as if Walsh made the trades he did the past two years with intent to put a playoff contender on the court - and Mike failed to make it happen.

How many times do people have to explain that the roster was being torn down in an effort to start over in 2010, and that Mike was put in to get established with the franchise, and to be here when the new team was built, and was entirely on board with Walsh from the start knowing the past two years would be spent tearing down the roster?

Meanwhile, Mike has no proven record? Phoenix Suns say hi:

Guess what? That was a good roster. Guess what we're going to build starting in 2010? A good roster.


The willing blindness of some fans is excruciatingly painful now.

has nothing to do with how he's coached this year. perceptions that he's done a poor job are pretty well backed-up at this point.

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3/1/2010  7:08 PM
Marv wrote:

has nothing to do with how he's coached this year. perceptions that he's done a poor job are pretty well backed-up at this point.

The roster has nothing to do with the poor season then? What was he supposed to do with this mess?

My only problem with Mike was I wanted to see:

C-Darko
F-Lee
F-Harrington
G-Hughes
G-Duhon

---WITHOUT QUESTION--- as our starting lineup and to run it into the ground.

Gallo, Chandler, Nate, Jeffries off the bench....

NO TINKERING. Was no reason for tinkering.


Then you make the changes once we did the trades for Sergio, TMac, etc.

But that was what we should have played from the start and never drifted from.


Yet let us face facts, even doing that, this team was destined to miss the playoffs.

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For the situation we were in in 2008 was MDA the right choice for coach

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