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fishmike
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3/1/2010  8:17 AM
Marv wrote:you say that like it's a bad thing.

if this lands us lebron we should all line up to kiss walsh's feet.

the jeffries deal ONLY makes sense if lebron's a lock and they're all in with another top fa too. at that point our draft picks will be up in the 20's and won't be that important. jhill won't matter either.

that really it. This is the first time post Ewing we have a chance at a star franchise player. Its better than the 2.8% chance we had at winning the lottery also.

LBJ is a NY guy. If our chance is only 20% or 10% thats fine. Its worth two lousy years when we werent going anywhere with those players anyway. We can add guys like that anytime. Whoop de do. If we strike out fine. At least we had as good a chance as anyone.

If we whiff we can always fill the roster with CJ Watson and those Euro kids that Briggs lusts after

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3/1/2010  8:53 AM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:you say that like it's a bad thing.

if this lands us lebron we should all line up to kiss walsh's feet.

the jeffries deal ONLY makes sense if lebron's a lock and they're all in with another top fa too. at that point our draft picks will be up in the 20's and won't be that important. jhill won't matter either.

that really it. This is the first time post Ewing we have a chance at a star franchise player. Its better than the 2.8% chance we had at winning the lottery also.

LBJ is a NY guy. If our chance is only 20% or 10% thats fine. Its worth two lousy years when we werent going anywhere with those players anyway. We can add guys like that anytime. Whoop de do. If we strike out fine. At least we had as good a chance as anyone.

If we whiff we can always fill the roster with CJ Watson and those Euro kids that Briggs lusts after

the problem is Dolan- if we miss Lebron, we're going to end up with next level guys - lets say a Joe Johnson & Dirk scenario.

And sure we'll be better, but we'll lack tools to get better, be capped out and eventually watch the players we sign turn into Allan Houston- albatross contracts that have future GM's trying to appease Dolan - not unlike Layden and Thomas- by adding that 'one more piece'.

If its not Lebron, we should keep our money or like Briggs suggested, try to find some lower budget, hidden gems.

But the last hidden gem Walsh found was Anthony Roberson!

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3/1/2010  9:00 AM
holfresh wrote:I'm seeing poster here talking about if we strike out in 2010 then there is always 2011...Zach, Curry and Craw would have rolled of the books in 2011 and we would have still been competitive the last two years...We would still have our draft picks...We would have been able to see how the "GREAT" MDA and his SSOL system works...We would probably be in the running for a playoff spot right now...Don't tell me its all about getting under the cap...This is such a joke, we are out swapping draft picks in 2011 to get further under the cap in 2010...We would have been under the cap a year later with all our draft picks...ONE YEAR LATER...I'm simply amazed....This board act as though Walsh is Houdini...We all know who would be available in 2011 with our draft picks...This is all about LeBron and 2010...Yes, Walsh is a STARPHUCKER too...Wake up and deal with it...

Totally agree. It is 2010 or bust. 2010 has always been about LeBron. or maybe Wade. That has been the plan. If LeBron doesn't happen we wasted 3 seasons and a few #1 picks because as you stated, Holfresh, everone would have come off the books in 2011, and 2011 also has a class of excellent potential Free agent stars.
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3/1/2010  9:31 AM
There is a big drop off from LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and then the rest of the free agents. Honestly, I cannot get excited over Chris Bosh and Joe Johnson. : /
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3/1/2010  9:53 AM
franco12 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:you say that like it's a bad thing.

if this lands us lebron we should all line up to kiss walsh's feet.

the jeffries deal ONLY makes sense if lebron's a lock and they're all in with another top fa too. at that point our draft picks will be up in the 20's and won't be that important. jhill won't matter either.

that really it. This is the first time post Ewing we have a chance at a star franchise player. Its better than the 2.8% chance we had at winning the lottery also.

LBJ is a NY guy. If our chance is only 20% or 10% thats fine. Its worth two lousy years when we werent going anywhere with those players anyway. We can add guys like that anytime. Whoop de do. If we strike out fine. At least we had as good a chance as anyone.

If we whiff we can always fill the roster with CJ Watson and those Euro kids that Briggs lusts after

the problem is Dolan- if we miss Lebron, we're going to end up with next level guys - lets say a Joe Johnson & Dirk scenario.

And sure we'll be better, but we'll lack tools to get better, be capped out and eventually watch the players we sign turn into Allan Houston- albatross contracts that have future GM's trying to appease Dolan - not unlike Layden and Thomas- by adding that 'one more piece'.

If its not Lebron, we should keep our money or like Briggs suggested, try to find some lower budget, hidden gems.

But the last hidden gem Walsh found was Anthony Roberson!

Not sure thats fair. Walsh has a pretty good history in this league.

Dirk isnt going anywhere, but say we end up with Lee, Serigo, Joe Johnson and Tyrus Thomas thats a decent team. You hope to use Curry's contract get another piece. You have a couple 2nd rounders that maybe the Knicks can use to move up or buy a pick (Toney Douglas may yet turn out to be a solid player).

Then what..? We wont have cap space or high picks so we will be stuck winning our 42-45 games a year and getting bounced in the first round? Thats certainly possible, but the point is at least we took a shot at getting the best player of our generation (who is an openly NY guy). I think thats the point that is missing.

The young hungry upside guys Briggs touts are great when you already have a solid core. Detroit made a big mistake signing Charlie V and Ben Gordon. You can get those kinds of guys in salary dumps.

I would rather take salary BACK than sign mediocre guys.

Like sending the Jazz Chandler and our two 2nd rounders for Kirilenko and our first rounder back and the Jazz's later first rounder. That would save them over $18mm. We could try again the next year when its Melo and whoever else.

This FA class is one of the ages. Inside intel or not we are set up to have a shot. At we have that. The mistakes of this management have been so over dramatized its unreal.

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3/1/2010  11:31 AM
No doubt, it's all in for grabbing Lebron. We may miss out, but Donnie would be a fool not to have tried. Hopefully, we don't go second tier with Joe Johnson. I'd rather suck for another year and try to sign Melo.
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3/1/2010  12:30 PM
Moonangie wrote:No doubt, it's all in for grabbing Lebron. We may miss out, but Donnie would be a fool not to have tried. Hopefully, we don't go second tier with Joe Johnson. I'd rather suck for another year and try to sign Melo.

That, my friend, is what made this an all-in for '10 move. you just gave away hill, a #1 and a swapped 1 to go all in for '10. you now pull back and go for ‘11, having given those picks away and you should be fired on the spot.

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3/1/2010  2:30 PM
infatuated with the boston model from 2 years ago...fans are now expecting the knicks to go from garbage to contender in one offseason.
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3/1/2010  2:31 PM
Marv wrote:
Moonangie wrote:No doubt, it's all in for grabbing Lebron. We may miss out, but Donnie would be a fool not to have tried. Hopefully, we don't go second tier with Joe Johnson. I'd rather suck for another year and try to sign Melo.

That, my friend, is what made this an all-in for '10 move. you just gave away hill, a #1 and a swapped 1 to go all in for '10. you now pull back and go for ‘11, having given those picks away and you should be fired on the spot.

does firing moonangie really solve anything?

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3/1/2010  2:39 PM
Marv wrote:
Moonangie wrote:No doubt, it's all in for grabbing Lebron. We may miss out, but Donnie would be a fool not to have tried. Hopefully, we don't go second tier with Joe Johnson. I'd rather suck for another year and try to sign Melo.

That, my friend, is what made this an all-in for '10 move. you just gave away hill, a #1 and a swapped 1 to go all in for '10. you now pull back and go for ‘11, having given those picks away and you should be fired on the spot.

Right because we would already have 24mm in cap space and an additional chunk coming off in 2011. If we dont score big in 2010--it makes no sense from any direction you want to take it--Jefferies was coming off for 2011. We wouldve had 24mm in 2010 and 18mm in 2011--this was all in--if D Walsh says this money is spent over time that was the plan--please my man--this is NY.

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3/1/2010  2:43 PM
Lebron or bust ?

Comon, that's a no brainer.

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3/1/2010  2:50 PM
djsunyc wrote:
Marv wrote:
Moonangie wrote:No doubt, it's all in for grabbing Lebron. We may miss out, but Donnie would be a fool not to have tried. Hopefully, we don't go second tier with Joe Johnson. I'd rather suck for another year and try to sign Melo.

That, my friend, is what made this an all-in for '10 move. you just gave away hill, a #1 and a swapped 1 to go all in for '10. you now pull back and go for ‘11, having given those picks away and you should be fired on the spot.

does firing moonangie really solve anything?

yes it does. moonangie is a perfectly acceptable escapegoat.

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3/1/2010  4:25 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Lebron or bust ?

Comon, that's a no brainer.

I'm feeling better about 2010 already!

If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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3/1/2010  10:48 PM
if the knicks don't get lebron, you will know for sure that the best don't want to play here. i don't know if the fanbase can recover.
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3/1/2010  10:51 PM
93BUICK wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Lebron or bust ?

Comon, that's a no brainer.

I'm feeling better about 2010 already!

Hmm, if we lose Lebron, those babies would be a nice consolation.

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3/1/2010  10:53 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Lebron or bust ?

Comon, that's a no brainer.

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3/1/2010  11:47 PM
holfresh wrote:I'm seeing poster here talking about if we strike out in 2010 then there is always 2011...Zach, Curry and Craw would have rolled of the books in 2011 and we would have still been competitive the last two years...We would still have our draft picks...We would have been able to see how the "GREAT" MDA and his SSOL system works...We would probably be in the running for a playoff spot right now...Don't tell me its all about getting under the cap...This is such a joke, we are out swapping draft picks in 2011 to get further under the cap in 2010...We would have been under the cap a year later with all our draft picks...ONE YEAR LATER...I'm simply amazed....This board act as though Walsh is Houdini...We all know who would be available in 2011 with our draft picks...This is all about LeBron and 2010...Yes, Walsh is a STARPHUCKER too...Wake up and deal with it...

I agree with you 100%.

Anything less that a grand slam in the FA market for "2010" and this latest move was a total fiasco and indescribably stupid. If it spills over to 2011, then everything we've done to date was a waste of time and suffering because everyone would have been off the books for 2011 anyway

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3/2/2010  6:26 AM
I mentioned this dilema in the beginning of the yr, how can you sell the fans it's all about Lebron in 2010 and the players on 1 yr contracts looking to position themselves for a new contract plays within a team concept.

This is a business for the players too ! If Walsh and Danphoney make this season of no importance based on 2010 FREE AGENTS then the current players naturally will play for themselves. The others who are minimum players will play team ball because they want to make the team next yr. 2 different motivatiors created by Walsh and Danphoney. What you sow is what you reap, all hail 2010 and the players they bring in , cuz da ship be sinking !

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3/2/2010  6:35 AM
Moonangie wrote:
93BUICK wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Lebron or bust ?

Comon, that's a no brainer.

I'm feeling better about 2010 already!

Hmm, if we lose Lebron, those babies would be a nice consolation.

I'd prefer one night with those to LeBron James remaining career in orange and blue. Priorities

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3/2/2010  9:32 AM
holfresh wrote:I'm seeing poster here talking about if we strike out in 2010 then there is always 2011...Zach, Curry and Craw would have rolled of the books in 2011 and we would have still been competitive the last two years...We would still have our draft picks...We would have been able to see how the "GREAT" MDA and his SSOL system works...We would probably be in the running for a playoff spot right now...Don't tell me its all about getting under the cap...This is such a joke, we are out swapping draft picks in 2011 to get further under the cap in 2010...We would have been under the cap a year later with all our draft picks...ONE YEAR LATER...I'm simply amazed....This board act as though Walsh is Houdini...We all know who would be available in 2011 with our draft picks...This is all about LeBron and 2010...Yes, Walsh is a STARPHUCKER too...Wake up and deal with it...

Holfresh, as usual you are the voice of reality. Getting under the cap + not building a team in the meantime in order to land 2 superstars who will be saviors = Starphuching.

Of course, even if that works out one has to hope for perfect health for those superstars because there is no team around them to pick up the slack, and a lot of other variables to fall into place in order to contend for a championship.

LeBron or bust.

But, how about a short-term Kobe? like 3 years? What do you all think about that? Room service!

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