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2nd rounders and late first rounders---that I like for this team
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Panos
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2/24/2010  11:00 PM
BRIGGS, don't mean to rain on your parade or nuthin', but I guess you hadn't heard that NY traded its 2 second rounders to Minny for $35 in caps space.
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2/24/2010  11:05 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Yo, if Brackins falls to us in the 2nd round like he's projected to now on Draft Express... miracle of all miracles, he would be the new Al Jr with nothing in terms of salary commitments. That is an amazing bench front-court guy if he falls that far. He's ready now and is the kind of player that will look better with NBA floor spacing and other players to shoulder the load.

and... if you can get them to come out, Tyshawn Taylor and Avery Bradley are other once-upon-a-time lottery kids that would be nice late

I just watched BYU beat San Diego. Fredette again awesome. He's the best PG I've seen this year. I don't see how he's not a mid 1st round pick--I would trade Gallinari for him if we could get him--thats how good I think he is.

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2/24/2010  11:55 PM
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That would seem like Houston would get the short end of the stick by alot if NY doesn't make the playoffs.

all Houston has to hope for is that the Knicks aren't one of the worst 5 teams in the NBA & they can still walk away with a top 10 lottery pick.

Right, so it's in 2011 where they can score BIG, just like UTah will this year.

Rockets can score big in every draft until 2015 if the Knicks aren't at least 1 of the top 5 worst teams in the NBA (which is highly likely if we don't land 2 top FA's this summer) when the protection expires & they end up with 2 2nd rounders according to the report Cosmic posted... losing 3 consecutive 1st round lottery picks ('10, '11 & '12) & trading away another (Jordan Hill) is what we're looking at if the plan doesn't net the desired prizes this summer.

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2/25/2010  12:22 AM
I don't think Miami wants that salary slot @ 19--Ill accept it. How about pick 39 and next years number 1 +1mm for pick 19/20 and promise it to Fredette and then offer 36 and 2mm to Memphis for 27 for Varando.
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2/25/2010  12:58 AM
we can't trade next year's #1 cuz we already traded the 2012 #1... we can only trade the player we pick w/the swapped pick after we draft someone but that can't happen til next season.
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2/25/2010  1:04 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
In any order you want

but he's first:

PG Jimmer Fredette
PG/SG Elliot Williams
C/PF Jarvis Varnado
F Jamine Petersen
G Austin Freeman


He would be ideal for this team, but I seriously doubt D'Antoni would play a shotblocker who cannot knock down a 15 footer.
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2/25/2010  1:25 AM
WindsorPl wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
In any order you want

but he's first:

PG Jimmer Fredette
PG/SG Elliot Williams
C/PF Jarvis Varnado
F Jamine Petersen
G Austin Freeman


He would be ideal for this team, but I seriously doubt D'Antoni would play a shotblocker who cannot knock down a 15 footer.

Id rather have Mark Gasol but he's not available. I love Fredette--too bad we spent 3mm on Douglas--Dolan is probably anti draft at this point. He wants a Lebron bailout or he's going to blow his top. Imagine someone saying Jim we need 3mm more $ for a 6-2 white PG from BYU.

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2/25/2010  9:06 AM
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:
TMS wrote:
That would seem like Houston would get the short end of the stick by alot if NY doesn't make the playoffs.

all Houston has to hope for is that the Knicks aren't one of the worst 5 teams in the NBA & they can still walk away with a top 10 lottery pick.

Right, so it's in 2011 where they can score BIG, just like UTah will this year.

Rockets can score big in every draft until 2015 if the Knicks aren't at least 1 of the top 5 worst teams in the NBA (which is highly likely if we don't land 2 top FA's this summer) when the protection expires & they end up with 2 2nd rounders according to the report Cosmic posted... losing 3 consecutive 1st round lottery picks ('10, '11 & '12) & trading away another (Jordan Hill) is what we're looking at if the plan doesn't net the desired prizes this summer.

Hold up. You're confused about the picks.

We have a 2011 swap. We traded then a 2012 top 5 protected.

If it's 6th or worst it's their pick and the trade is completed. They don't keep getting additional picks. Where did you get that idea?

If it's 5th or better we keep it and they get a shot at our 2013 1st rounder - if that is 6th or worst, it's theirs, and the deal is completed. If not, we keep it, and they get a shot at the 2014 pick.

They get:

2011 swap.
A 2012 first rounder.

That's it.

They don't get 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 from us. LOL.

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2/25/2010  9:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2010  9:39 AM
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:
TMS wrote:
That would seem like Houston would get the short end of the stick by alot if NY doesn't make the playoffs.

all Houston has to hope for is that the Knicks aren't one of the worst 5 teams in the NBA & they can still walk away with a top 10 lottery pick.

Right, so it's in 2011 where they can score BIG, just like UTah will this year.

Rockets can score big in every draft until 2015 if the Knicks aren't at least 1 of the top 5 worst teams in the NBA (which is highly likely if we don't land 2 top FA's this summer) when the protection expires & they end up with 2 2nd rounders according to the report Cosmic posted... losing 3 consecutive 1st round lottery picks ('10, '11 & '12) & trading away another (Jordan Hill) is what we're looking at if the plan doesn't net the desired prizes this summer.

Hold up. You're confused about the picks.

We have a 2011 swap. We traded then a 2012 top 5 protected.

If it's 6th or worst it's their pick and the trade is completed. They don't keep getting additional picks. Where did you get that idea?

If it's 5th or better we keep it and they get a shot at our 2013 1st rounder - if that is 6th or worst, it's theirs, and the deal is completed. If not, we keep it, and they get a shot at the 2014 pick.

They get:

2011 swap.
A 2012 first rounder.

That's it.

They don't get 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 from us. LOL.


that is what i was meaning to say... if it sounded like i was saying they own all 5 of our next picks my mistake
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2/25/2010  11:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2010  12:05 PM
1st Rounders I like if we can move up
Sylven Landesberg - I think he's gonna be a star in the NBA someday. A 6'6" 2 who's an EXCELLENT scorer going to the basket with a vastly improved outside game (an early knock on this kid was that he couldn't shoot - I don't see that at all). Watching him on offense, he's really a natural..I can see developing elements of an even more complete game as well - passing, handling the ball, directing traffic, inside fighting for rebounds, etc..Probably goes back to school unless a 1st round team came along and showed big interest. If we can find a way to get him late in the 1st round this year somehow (secure as high a 1st rounder as possible and very quietly give him a guarantee) it'd be a blessing. I could see him easily being a lottery pick next year.
Willie Warren - stock has really dropped on some of the bigger mocks as of late, however if we secured a 1st rounder and he really does slip I'd take him. 6'4" very talented combo that can pass, shoot & score. Nothing wrong with that. Having a down year but I still like him a lot - I think trying to play on a bum ankle since mid-January instead of shutting it down may have contributed to his sub-par season (still putting up almost 17 a game which ain't terrible and that's with no talent around him now). Tough to maintain top level performance on a flat tire.
Sherron Collins - had a better scoring year last year but I still think he's a solid floor general with few flaws despite this year's small slippage in stats. No denying he's a little small (just shy of 6') but there's room for these guys at the next level if they can play and I think Sherron can play. Really reminds me a lot of Ty Lawson in terms of overall game and amount of success at the college level. And I like the strength & toughness he brings to that position. I think he's a first rounder - not a lot of true PGs available after John Wall in this draft - Collins may be the 2nd best.
Craig Brackins - again another player having a sub-par year compared to his previous season, I haven't seen enough of him this year to know what the problem is. His team's been pretty bad after a good start - still, a lack of team success is hard to pin on one guy & Brackins is managing to get his. Very talented inside/outside offensive player with good height at 6'10". Like Warren, we gotta look hard at him if we secured a 1st rounder somehow and he was still on the board.
Quincy Pondexter - I can't see him slipping all the way to our first 2nd rounder. Big, physical, athletic 6'6" 2-guard that's really had a nice year. Not afraid to mix it up inside at all. Jumper's really come a long way - very good mechanics now, make or miss. Good mid-range game, excellent rebounder. Great finisher in traffic. Looks like a very well-spoken, nice kid too. If he does slip to the 2nd round, he'd be a no-brainer for me.

2nd Rounders
Greivis Vasquez - I love this kid's versatility and have said so many times. I spent a lot of time recently talking about how Landesberg could develop into a Brandon Roy-type if he continues to develop an overall game --- now that I think about it, this kid Vasquez more closely resembles Roy in a lot of ways. A poor man's Roy no doubt, but the comparison is definitely there. Really nothing this kid can't do - a 6'6" do-it-all player - good passer/assist man that knows how to orchestrate, goes to the glass for rebounds, knows how to move w/o the ball to get open and he's now raised his shooting percentage significantly this year. Has an edge to him out there as well -- takes his business very serious on the court. He's got a real nice versatile overall package that could definitely help us next year. I'd love for the Knicks to grab him with one of those 2nd rounders. I think Pringles would love this kid.
Trevor Booker - has 1st round talent but a lack of height and drop off in production this year are two factors that may cause him to slip. Very powerful, agressive lefty PF in the Anthony Mason mold - I think this guy might be even better than Mason - he doesn't have Mason's handle but he can block a shot and has developed college 3-pt range on his jumper this year. If he does slip out of the 1st round, I have trouble seeing him lasting until we pick. If anything he may go 30-33, something like that. If he does slip further though, I'm interested.
Jamelle Horne - very versatile long wing that can run, jump and shoot. Not sure why he hasn't assumed a bigger role in Arizona's offense this year (from what I've seen, he definitely needs more touches & shot attempts). He certainly has the tools to be doing a hell of a lot more for that team.
Jerome Jordan - I don't love him, but I guess at that size he has enough ability to warrant taking in the 2nd round. I think Tulsa plays against Duke tonight.
Yancy Gates - legit size, strength and game that's taylor made for the NBA at the 4. Hasn't put it all together yet for some reason but it's all there - toughness, rebounding, improved offense (even has nice touch out to the college 3).
Deon Thompson - PF in the Kurt Thomas/PJ Brown "bury the mid-range jumper" mold. Both Thomas and PJ Brown had long, productive careers. A nice big with some value in the 2nd round, esp. lower with our 2nd pick.
AJ Ogilvy - production has really tailed off since his solid freshman season (he really wasn't 100% healthy at times to be fair), but I think there's still a lot to like -- 7' size, he plays very hard and he's got some good offensive ability. If he slips right out of the draft entirely, he's a no-brainer to invite to summer league.
Wayne Chism - I like him a lot. Legit 4 size, he plays hard inside and he's got a surprisingly excellent shooting touch out on the perimeter. Might even have NBA 3-pt range - you don't hear too much about this guy but I think he's a really nice big man prospect.
Scotty Hopson - has had a nice sophomore year and has really pick up the slack for Tenn. after coach Pearl made the decision to dismiss fellow wing Tyler Smith.
Jerome Randle - dude's really tiny but he's a very efficient little offensive player. Great 3-pt shooter. I don't think he's a starting PG in the NBA but he could be a little spark plug off the pine much in the same way Nate Robinson is used in the pros. Same instant-offense type as Nate with better PG skills. Arizona against California tonight on TV at 9pm.
Demetri McCamey - Well-put together 6'3" 215 lb. PG from Illinois that I think is very underrated. He's a very good passer and an underrated offensive player. Very good shooting touch with good form. Nice handle too. His size and game reminds me of a poor man's Randy Foye/poor man's Chauncey Billups. May not get drafted - like AJ Ogilvy, if he doesn't, I'd think about inviting him to SL.
Artsiom Parakhouski - I like Ogilvy a little better, but it's tough to argue with the monster numbers this kid's putting up, even if it's not coming against top competition on a nightly basis. In one of the few games I saw him play this year (at Kansas in December), I didn't really see a big-time prospect and saw some flaws, but in the end of the game he did manage to get his numbers and against a pretty good frontline too (Aldrich [though he didn't do too much against Aldrich early on from what I remember], the Morris brothers, freshman Thomas Robinson, etc.). Noticibly good footspeed in the open floor but just a little too mechanical and slow trying to operate inside on both ends. The pro game might be too fast for this kid esp. the way MDA wants to eventually play.

Something tells me to stay away from these guys
Lance Stephenson - has had a rough freshman year - he's a big strong kid that on Youtube looks like Tyreke Evans but when you actually sit down to watch him play for Cincy, that comparison no longer rings true. His jumper needs a ton of work, as does his handle and decision making. Doesn't look like he's got the best attitude in the world either at this point (getting into it with refs way too much esp. for a freshman). Looks real shaky and awkward out there at times to me which I didn't expect at all, not with all the hype that surrounded this kid coming in.
Jarvis Varnado - Big block totals and he does play hard but I think he might be too small/thin to be any kind of a big-time factor at the next level. And I really question his motor as well - had the incident where he passed out in practice not too long ago and there are plenty of times I've seen him run out of gas toward the end of games over the past two seasons. Seen him get muscled far too much in one-on-one situations against bigger guys as well. Rather than wasting a pick on this guy, I'd go out and find out what Wyoming's Justin Williams is up to right now. If he's game and he's healthy and they wanted a player like that, I might offer him a contact for peanuts - Justin Williams managed to have a little bit of success for Sacramento before bouncing around to a few different teams before vanishing from sight altogether.
Aubrey Coleman - huge scoring totals for Houston but he's way too undersized and not a good enough shooter to be a factor at the next level. For a 6'3" off-guard you better be able to at least shoot the lights out like a Jodie Meeks or someone like that. I don't see that kind of skill from this kid. He's like a 6'3" Tony Campbell.
Scotty Reynolds - I guess you couldn't go wrong inviting this guy to summer league but I wouldn't waste a pick on him. Definitely not a 1st rounder and in our case, I wouldn't go after him with either of our 2nd rounders. I just think there are better guys out there.

SL invites (guys that probably go undrafted this year/guys that went undrafted in the past)
Gavin Edwards - 6'10", interior hustle and defense - could be a nice role player in the NBA. Really gets after it, esp. trying to block a shot.
Mike Tisdale - 7'1" albeit razor thin, he does have excellent shooting touch in the mid-range for a guy that big. Competes hard down low as well despite the thin frame. Great height and shooting touch - two big pluses. Could be a nice pick & pop guy at the next level a-la Michael Doleac. I think I like this kid better than Parakhouski.
Isaiah Thomas - he's real tiny but he's exciting. A little offensive dynamo similar to Jerome Randle, even smaller. Left-handed so maybe more closely resembling Damon Stoudamire/Tyrese Rice.
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Brandon Costner
Ben McCauley
Rashad Bishop
Mike Scott
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2/25/2010  11:53 AM
Finestrg wrote:1st Rounders I like if we can move up
Sylven Landesberg - I think he's gonna be a star in the NBA someday. A 6'6" 2 who's an EXCELLENT scorer going to the basket with a vastly improved outside game (an early knock on this kid was that he couldn't shoot - I don't see that at all). Watching him on offense, he's really a natural..I can see developing elements of an even more complete game as well - passing, handling the ball, directing traffic, inside fighting for rebounds, etc..Probably goes back to school unless a 1st round team came along and showed big interest. If we can find a way to get him late in the 1st round this year somehow (secure as high a 1st rounder as possible and very quietly give him a guarantee) it'd be a blessing. I could see him easily being a lottery pick next year.
Willie Warren - stock has really dropped on some of the bigger mocks as of late, however if we secured a 1st rounder and he really does slip I'd take him. 6'4" very talented combo that can pass, shoot & score. Nothing wrong with that. Having a down year but I still like him a lot - I think trying to play on a bum ankle since mid-January instead of shutting it down may have contributed to his sub-par season (still putting up almost 17 a game which ain't terrible and that's with no talent around him now). Tough to maintain top level performance on a flat tire.
Sherron Collins - had a better scoring year last year but I still think he's a solid floor general with few flaws despite this year's small slippage in stats. No denying he's a little small (just shy of 6') but there's room for these guys at the next level if they can play and I think Sherron can play. Really reminds me a lot of Ty Lawson in terms of overall game and amount of success at the college level. And I like the strength & toughness he brings to that position. I think he's a first rounder - not a lot of true PGs available after John Wall in this draft - Collins may be the 2nd best.
Craig Brackins - again another player having a sub-par year compared to his previous season, I haven't seen enough of him this year to know what the problem is. His team's been pretty bad after a good start - still, a lack of team success is hard to pin on one guy & Brackins is managing to get his. Very talented inside/outside offensive player with good height at 6'10". Like Warren, we gotta look hard at him if we secured a 1st rounder somehow and he was still on the board.
Quincy Pondexter - I can't see him slipping all the way to our first 2nd rounder. Big, physical, athletic 6'6" 2-guard that's really had a nice year. Not afraid to mix it up inside at all. Jumper's really come a long way - very good mechanics now, make or miss. Good mid-range game, excellent rebounder. Great finisher in traffic. Looks like a very well-spoken, nice kid too. If he does slip to the 2nd round, he'd be a no-brainer for me.

2nd Rounders
Trevor Booker - has 1st round talent but a lack of height and drop off in production this year are two factors that may cause him to slip. Very powerful, agressive lefty PF in the Anthony Mason mold - I think this guy might be even better than Mason - he doesn't have Mason's handle but he can block a shot and has developed college 3-pt range on his jumper this year. If he does slip out of the 1st round, I have trouble seeing him lasting until we pick. If anything he may go 30-33, something like that. If he does slip further though, I'm interested.
Greivis Vasquez - I love this kid's versatility and have said so many times. I spent a lot of time recently talking about how Landesberg could develop into a Brandon Roy-type if he continues to develop an overall game --- now that I think about it, this kid Vasquez more closely resembles Roy in a lot of ways. A poor man's Roy no doubt, but the comparison is definitely there. Really nothing this kid can't do - a 6'6" do-it-all player - good passer/assist man that knows how to orchestrate, goes to the glass for rebounds, knows how to move w/o the ball to get open and he's now raised his shooting percentage significantly this year. Has an edge to him out there as well -- takes his business very serious on the court. He's got a real nice versatile overall package that could definitely help us next year. I'd love for the Knicks to grab him with one of those 2nd rounders. I think Pringles would love this kid.
Jamelle Horne - very versatile long wing that can run, jump and shoot. Not sure why he hasn't assumed a bigger role in Arizona's offense this year (from what I've seen, he definitely needs more touches & shot attempts - he certainly has the tools to be doing a hell of a lot more for that team.
Jerome Jordan - I don't love him, but I guess at that size he has enough ability to warrant taking in the 2nd round. I think Tulsa plays against Duke tonight.
Yancy Gates - legit size, strength and game that's taylor made for the NBA at the 4. Hasn't put it all together yet for some reason but it's all there - toughness, rebounding, improved offense (even has nice touch out to the college 3).
Deon Thompson - PF in the Kurt Thomas/PJ Brown "bury the mid-range jumper" mold. Both Thomas and PJ Brown had long, productive careers. A nice big with some value in the 2nd round, esp. lower with our 2nd pick.
AJ Ogilvy - production has really tailed off since his solid freshman season (he really wasn't 100% healthy at times to be fair), but I think there's still a lot to like -- 7' size, he plays very hard and he's got some good offensive ability. If he slips right out of the draft entirely, he's a no-brainer to invite to summer league.
Wayne Chism - I like him a lot. Legit 4 size, he plays hard inside and he's got a surprisingly excellent shooting touch out on the perimeter. Might even have NBA 3-pt range - you don't hear too much about this guy but I think he's a really nice big man prospect.
Scotty Hopson - has had a nice sophomore year and has really pick up the slack for Tenn. after coach Pearl made the decision to dismiss fellow wing Tyler Smith.
Jerome Randle - dude's really tiny but he's a very efficient little offensive player. Great 3-pt shooter. I don't think he's a starting PG in the NBA but he could be a little spark plug off the pine much in the same way Nate Robinson is used in the pros. Same instant-offense type as Nate with better PG skills. Arizona against California tonight on TV at 9pm.
Demetri McCamey - Well-put together 6'3" 215 lb. PG from Illinois that I think is very underrated. He's a very good passer and an underrated offensive player. Very good shooting touch with good form. Nice handle too. His size and game reminds me of a poor man's Randy Foye/poor man's Chauncey Billups. May not get drafted - like AJ Ogilvy, if he doesn't, I'd think about inviting him to SL.
Artsiom Parakhouski - I like Ogilvy a little better, but it's tough to argue with the monster numbers this kid's putting up, even if it's not coming against top competition on a nightly basis. In one of the few games I saw him play this year (at Kansas in December), I didn't really see a big-time prospect and saw some flaws, but in the end of the game he did manage to get his numbers and against a pretty good frontline too (Aldrich [though he didn't do too much against Aldrich early on from what I remember], the Morris brothers, freshman Tomas Robinson, etc.). Noticibly good footspeed in the open floor but just a little too mechanical and slow trying to operate inside on both ends. The pro game might be too fast for this kid.

SL invites (guys that probably go undrafted this year/guys that went undrafted in the past)
Gavin Edwards - 6'10", interior hustle and defense - could be a nice role player in the NBA. Really gets after it, esp. trying to block a shot.
Mike Tisdale - 7'1" albeit razor thin, he does have excellent shooting touch in the mid-range for a guy that big. Competes hard down low as well despite the thin frame. Great height and shooting touch - two big pluses. Could be a nice pick & pop guy at the next level a-la Michael Doleac. I think I like this kid better than Parakhouski.
Isaiah Thomas - he's real tiny but he's exciting. A little offensive dynamo similar to Jerome Randle, even smaller. Left-handed so maybe more closely resembling Damon Stoudemire/Tyrese Rice.
Tyrese Rice
AD Vassallo
Jerel McNeal
Brandon Costner
Ben McCauley
Rashad Bishop
Mike Scott
David Potter

Something tells me to stay away from these guys
Lance Stephenson - has had a rough freshman year - he's a big strong kid that on Youtube looks like Tyreke Evans but when you actually sit down to watch him play for Cincy, that comparison no longer rings true. His jumper needs a ton of work, as does his handle and decision making. Doesn't look like he's got the best attitude in the world either at this point (getting into it with refs way too much esp. for a freshman). Looks real shaky and awkward out there at times to me which I didn't expect at all, not with all the hype that surrounded this kid coming in.
Jarvis Varnado - Big block totals and he does play hard but I think he might be too small/thin to be any kind of a big-time factor at the next level. And I really question his motor as well - had the incident where he passed out in practice not too long ago and there are plenty of times I've seen him run out of gas toward the end of games over the past two seasons. Seen him get muscled far too much in one-on-one situations against bigger guys as well.
Aubrey Coleman - huge scoring totals for Houston but he's way too undersized and not a good enough shooter to be a factor at the next level. For a 6'3" off-guard you better be able to at least shoot the lights out like a Jodie Meeks or someone like that. I don't see that kind of skill from this kid. He's like a 6'3" Tony Campbell.
Scotty Reynolds - I guess you couldn't go wrong inviting this guy to summer league but I wouldn't waste a pick on him. Definitely not a 1st rounder and in our case, I wouldn't go after him with either of our 2nd rounders. I just think there are better guys out there.

Nice reading. Excellent job again finestrg.
I will disagree on this guy

Isaiah Thomas - he's real tiny but he's exciting. A little offensive dynamo similar to Jerome Randle, even smaller. Left-handed so maybe more closely resembling Damon Stoudemire/Tyrese Rice.

No more Isiah Thomas on the Knicks please.
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2/25/2010  1:20 PM
Jimmer Fredette--thats my pick. If I had my dime--I would do what it took within my realm of cap space 2nd rounders whatever it is to get him. It's ok to read about a guy and give your opinion--go watch this kid play and tell me this is not Steve Nash 2.0. I can't imagine with the way the Knicks want to play that this kid wouldnt be very high on the Knicks wish list--although someone from the knicks thought T douglas was a PG??
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2/25/2010  1:40 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Jimmer Fredette--thats my pick. If I had my dime--I would do what it took within my realm of cap space 2nd rounders whatever it is to get him. It's ok to read about a guy and give your opinion--go watch this kid play and tell me this is not Steve Nash 2.0. I can't imagine with the way the Knicks want to play that this kid wouldnt be very high on the Knicks wish list--although someone from the knicks thought T douglas was a PG??

Lol! Not sure but if that statement's a little jab at me - believe me buddy, I've watched each guy I've commented on here quite a few times, to the point where I believe I have a valid opinion on what they bring to the table. So that's that... Hey, if I misinterpreted you then I apologize.

Moving on, yeah, this kid Fredette looks good. Good call. I wouldn't mind it at all if we got him on board. I wish I saw him play to have my own opinion either way, unfortunately I haven't. I watch enough college ball to the point where it's coming outta my pores...Can't watch 'em all though...

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2/25/2010  1:44 PM
Finestrg wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Jimmer Fredette--thats my pick. If I had my dime--I would do what it took within my realm of cap space 2nd rounders whatever it is to get him. It's ok to read about a guy and give your opinion--go watch this kid play and tell me this is not Steve Nash 2.0. I can't imagine with the way the Knicks want to play that this kid wouldnt be very high on the Knicks wish list--although someone from the knicks thought T douglas was a PG??

Lol! Not sure but if that statement's a little jab at me - believe me buddy, I've watched each guy I've commented on here quite a few times, to the point where I believe I have a valid opinion on what they bring to the table. So that's that... Hey, if I misinterpreted you then I apologize.

Moving on, yeah, this kid Fredette looks good. Good call. I wouldn't mind it at all if we got him on board. I wish I saw him play to have my own opinion either way, unfortunately I haven't. I watch enough college ball to the point where it's coming outta my pores...Can't watch 'em all though...

RG, IF that was directed at you, don't take any offense to it - dude has gone off the deep end. i think everyone here knows that you watch a ton of college ball and you know your stuff. keep it going bro, always a good read.

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2/25/2010  1:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2010  1:54 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Jimmer Fredette--thats my pick. If I had my dime--I would do what it took within my realm of cap space 2nd rounders whatever it is to get him. It's ok to read about a guy and give your opinion--go watch this kid play and tell me this is not Steve Nash 2.0. I can't imagine with the way the Knicks want to play that this kid wouldnt be very high on the Knicks wish list--although someone from the knicks thought T douglas was a PG??

Lol! Not sure but if that statement's a little jab at me - believe me buddy, I've watched each guy I've commented on here quite a few times, to the point where I believe I have a valid opinion on what they bring to the table. So that's that... Hey, if I misinterpreted you then I apologize.

Moving on, yeah, this kid Fredette looks good. Good call. I wouldn't mind it at all if we got him on board. I wish I saw him play to have my own opinion either way, unfortunately I haven't. I watch enough college ball to the point where it's coming outta my pores...Can't watch 'em all though...

RG, IF that was directed at you, don't take any offense to it - dude has gone off the deep end. i think everyone here knows that you watch a ton of college ball and you know your stuff. keep it going bro, always a good read.

Yeah no sweat Nyk. Thanks btw. I don't ramble on to be annoying or a prick...I do it because I LOVE IT.. Hey maybe I read that wrong... Either way, I don't have time to come on here and trade barbs with anyone anymore. That's just not me, never was. Anyone interested in talking hoops or baseball, whoever it is, I'm in kid! The other stuff, I'll just leave to some of the other fellas.

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2/25/2010  2:03 PM
Finestrg wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Jimmer Fredette--thats my pick. If I had my dime--I would do what it took within my realm of cap space 2nd rounders whatever it is to get him. It's ok to read about a guy and give your opinion--go watch this kid play and tell me this is not Steve Nash 2.0. I can't imagine with the way the Knicks want to play that this kid wouldnt be very high on the Knicks wish list--although someone from the knicks thought T douglas was a PG??

Lol! Not sure but if that statement's a little jab at me - believe me buddy, I've watched each guy I've commented on here quite a few times, to the point where I believe I have a valid opinion on what they bring to the table. So that's that... Hey, if I misinterpreted you then I apologize.

Moving on, yeah, this kid Fredette looks good. Good call. I wouldn't mind it at all if we got him on board. I wish I saw him play to have my own opinion either way, unfortunately I haven't. I watch enough college ball to the point where it's coming outta my pores...Can't watch 'em all though...


Fine--don't know what you read but I was only commenting on how good Fredette was--I don't think many people have seen him--he was on prime time a few times--most MW is on CBS sports college channel -

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2/25/2010  2:08 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Jimmer Fredette--thats my pick. If I had my dime--I would do what it took within my realm of cap space 2nd rounders whatever it is to get him. It's ok to read about a guy and give your opinion--go watch this kid play and tell me this is not Steve Nash 2.0. I can't imagine with the way the Knicks want to play that this kid wouldnt be very high on the Knicks wish list--although someone from the knicks thought T douglas was a PG??

Lol! Not sure but if that statement's a little jab at me - believe me buddy, I've watched each guy I've commented on here quite a few times, to the point where I believe I have a valid opinion on what they bring to the table. So that's that... Hey, if I misinterpreted you then I apologize.

Moving on, yeah, this kid Fredette looks good. Good call. I wouldn't mind it at all if we got him on board. I wish I saw him play to have my own opinion either way, unfortunately I haven't. I watch enough college ball to the point where it's coming outta my pores...Can't watch 'em all though...


Fine--don't know what you read but I was only commenting on how good Fredette was--I don't think many people have seen him--he was on prime time a few times--most MW is on CBS sports college channel -

OK, my bad then. All good in the hood!

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2/25/2010  2:13 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Jimmer Fredette--thats my pick. If I had my dime--I would do what it took within my realm of cap space 2nd rounders whatever it is to get him. It's ok to read about a guy and give your opinion--go watch this kid play and tell me this is not Steve Nash 2.0. I can't imagine with the way the Knicks want to play that this kid wouldnt be very high on the Knicks wish list--although someone from the knicks thought T douglas was a PG??

Lol! Not sure but if that statement's a little jab at me - believe me buddy, I've watched each guy I've commented on here quite a few times, to the point where I believe I have a valid opinion on what they bring to the table. So that's that... Hey, if I misinterpreted you then I apologize.

Moving on, yeah, this kid Fredette looks good. Good call. I wouldn't mind it at all if we got him on board. I wish I saw him play to have my own opinion either way, unfortunately I haven't. I watch enough college ball to the point where it's coming outta my pores...Can't watch 'em all though...

RG, IF that was directed at you, don't take any offense to it - dude has gone off the deep end. i think everyone here knows that you watch a ton of college ball and you know your stuff. keep it going bro, always a good read.

nyk--I said if you have a problem with me just ignore. I'm sick of the pitiful way they run the team. I have 0 confidence and I'm venting it on a message board. This is an upside down laughingstock since Dolan took over. They should listen to the Bill Bradley's and Willis Reed's about team. I really don't think D Walsh is totally down with this--jmo.

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2/25/2010  4:54 PM
BRIGGS, Finest, or anyone else who watches a ton of college hoops, give me ur take on Lazar Haywood... currently projected in the low 40s... seems like he's got all the skills i'd like to see in a player... shooting, shotblocking, athleticism, can score in the paint, can hit clutch FT's, plays with a little passion & aggression but seems like a geniunely good kid with a winning personality based on the interview below

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2/26/2010  7:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2010  9:23 AM
TMS wrote:BRIGGS, Finest, or anyone else who watches a ton of college hoops, give me ur take on Lazar Haywood... currently projected in the low 40s... seems like he's got all the skills i'd like to see in a player... shooting, shotblocking, athleticism, can score in the paint, can hit clutch FT's, plays with a little passion & aggression but seems like a geniunely good kid with a winning personality based on the interview below

Ahh, I forgot about this guy. What you see here in these clips is what you get --- 6'6", pretty athletic but not overly so, he can definitely shoot the ball from deep. You figure if there was room in the league for guys like Dell Curry, Tracy Murray, guys like that, there's room for this guy. He's probably a little more athletic than those guys and I think he can do more. Capable of more than just shooting 3s (for instance, in his last game against St. John's he managed 22 pts on 8-15 from the field, 6-6 from the line with 7 rebounds but went 0-5 from downtown)...I think he's more than just a specialist. He's really not the quickest guy in transition from what I've noticed, basically getting down the floor at his own deliberate pace but he's got a surprisingly effective post game and he's a very solid rebounder, esp. crashing the offensive glass... Has put up 2 good back-to-back years. Maybe not the athleticism of a young Dan Majerle but maybe something in between the young 'Thunder Dan' and the older Marjerle that mainly stayed out on the perimeter toward the end of his career...I haven't watched enough Marquette this year to be honest, really haven't watched a lot since Jerel McNeal and Wes Matthews departed, so I haven't seen Hayward enough this season to get a good read on him but he's a good call TMS - he could be a sleeper.

2nd rounders and late first rounders---that I like for this team

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