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2/24/2010  11:22 AM
This is the outfit in question
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2/24/2010  12:00 PM
Its just crazy hypocritical. Thats the funny part about it.
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2/24/2010  1:12 PM
sebstar wrote:Its just crazy hypocritical. Thats the funny part about it.

Who is being hyprocritical? Don't tell me me.

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2/24/2010  1:45 PM
HOw is it harrassment? Did her promotion or ability to perform her duties get compromised? Does Korn have any authority to make decisions on her career?

It was rude, inappropriate and sexist to say what he said, but I don't think that qualifies as harassment.

If anything it raises her exposure now and people will take an interst in what she wears.

He gets paid to be a crass opinionist.

Actually mocking someone's attire and body could be perceived as sexual harrassement. Because they are creating a hostile work enviornment.

I would get in trouble if I talked about an older female co-worker like that at a work meeting. This guy said it on the radio!

If I was caught making a similar remark about a co-worker I would be lucky to not walkaway with a suspension at my job. I know both male and female co-workers who have been busted for sexual harrassement claims. Also more woman have more sexual harrassement claims because there more likely to report it whereas men just shurg it off.

It's pretty standard in most work places that commenting on a colleague's clothes, body, is off-limits for anyone.


Thats the problem, he gets paid to say stuff like that. If he would have said the same thing about one of those chickens on the View, nobody at ESPN would have batted an eyelash.

Its not like he slandered her, he just bagged on her outfit. She's a public person. An entertainment radio show is not comparable to an office setting in Anytown, USA. The rules are different.

My brother worked for ESPN/ABC sports for like 10 years (ABC is the parent company) and I can assure you that if Kornheiser made that comment about those chuckleheads on the View it probably would have been worse.

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2/24/2010  1:56 PM
The 2 anchors for SportsCenter this morning, a man and a woman, made a slight joke about the situation.

The man and woman made references about their clothing. The man about his sneakers and the woman about her huge belt buckle.

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2/24/2010  2:23 PM
Im going to stick my neck out and say in that low rez picture she looks ok to me. She has height and is thin.

IM not saying a high def picture she shows some age on here, but thats no big deal. She is feeling good about herself and her costome people think its ok, then whats the big deal.

What if KornDog is plain wrong? ITs hostile and its his opinion, but its subjective.

He can Say Erin Andrews looks bad and whose to say right or wrong. Andrews while hot can also wear somting inappropriate for the her age and its the same thing.

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2/24/2010  3:47 PM
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sebstar wrote:Its just crazy hypocritical. Thats the funny part about it.

Who is being hyprocritical? Don't tell me me.

Naw, ESPN. Kornheiser makes comments like that all the time about other people.

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2/24/2010  3:59 PM
bitty41 wrote:Also more woman have more sexual harrassement claims because there more likely to report it whereas men just shurg it off.

this is true... i've had inappropriate comments made to me at work several times but i always took it as just playful joking & nothing more... never felt the need to report their asses to management.

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2/24/2010  4:01 PM
I have a colleague in the office today who is dressed like this and definitely fits the sausage casing bill. I'm gonna run over there and tell her she needs to think about her coworkers when dressing in the morning. I'll let you guys know how it goes...
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jusnice wrote:I have a colleague in the office today who is dressed like this and definitely fits the sausage casing bill. I'm gonna run over there and tell her she needs to think about her coworkers when dressing in the morning. I'll let you guys know how it goes...

Sebstar, it goes like this. Very small things can be sexual harrassment. However, when you make a comment about somebodys clothing and/or body, and it's something that makes them feel uncomfortable, or anyone for that matter, then it's going to be sexual harrassment. I work with A TON of women, and a lot of them are real good looking. If I make a comment to any of them and say "Yo, what's up with those tight pants. That's sausage casing!" My ass would be handed to be. I'd have a completely new perception attached to me, nobody would look at me the same, and I could very well be fired.

It doesn't matter if the guy makes comments like this all of the time. The point is, you don't cross the line, whether you've toed it before or not. Because if you do, then you're in a world of trouble.

It's not right or wrong, depending on the case. In this case, I'm not a fan of what he said at all. It's just how it is. You cannot create a hostile work environment like that.

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2/24/2010  4:37 PM
Your job doesnt pay you to talk junk about people in the public sphere. Thats kornhieser's job, to create attention and ratings. Storm is a public figure. I doubt they cross paths in a typical office setting, so the hostile environment position is faulty.

I'm sure Storm was pissed, but ESPN is hypocritical

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2/24/2010  4:39 PM
Well he shouldn't be getting paid for THAY, and it is a hostile work environment. Even if they don't cross paths, other people talk about it, and it definitely gets brought up to eachother or behind their backs. That IS a hostile work environment, which is not fauly.
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2/24/2010  4:44 PM
TMS wrote:
bitty41 wrote:Also more woman have more sexual harrassement claims because there more likely to report it whereas men just shurg it off.

this is true... i've had inappropriate comments made to me at work several times but i always took it as just playful joking & nothing more... never felt the need to report their asses to management.

Yea some men are a lot more laid-back about that kind of stuff and I think a lot women are too but you have that one sect of wacky women who are ready to complain to HR about the littlest thing claiming sexual harassment.

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2/24/2010  5:02 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Well he shouldn't be getting paid for THAY, and it is a hostile work environment. Even if they don't cross paths, other people talk about it, and it definitely gets brought up to eachother or behind their backs. That IS a hostile work environment, which is not fauly.

She's a public figure tho, fam. The rules and laws are different. She's not a private person working at a cubicle minding her own business. Her image is open for public consumption on national television.

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2/24/2010  5:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2010  5:25 PM
sebstar wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Well he shouldn't be getting paid for THAY, and it is a hostile work environment. Even if they don't cross paths, other people talk about it, and it definitely gets brought up to eachother or behind their backs. That IS a hostile work environment, which is not fauly.

She's a public figure tho, fam. The rules and laws are different. She's not a private person working at a cubicle minding her own business. Her image is open for public consumption on national television.

What are you arguing that because a person has a job public job than workplace decorum and rules on sexual harassment do not apply to them? Again it has nothing to do with either of their jobs but the fact that they both are working for the same corporate entity and he made comments that ESPN felt were inappropriate for the workplace.

A person can make a comment that everyone in the office found hilarious but if that one person is offended and the head honchos are made aware of it they have to take action.

Personally I think Storm just needs a good personal shopper and wearing plaid when your not in Private School or a stripper is always a no no.

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2/24/2010  5:44 PM

I think the fact he said it on the air makes it exempt from a harassment label. If he said it at the water cooler it might be different. His on air persona may be very different.

Just a take......

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2/24/2010  6:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2010  6:04 PM
bitty41 wrote:
sebstar wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Well he shouldn't be getting paid for THAY, and it is a hostile work environment. Even if they don't cross paths, other people talk about it, and it definitely gets brought up to eachother or behind their backs. That IS a hostile work environment, which is not fauly.

She's a public figure tho, fam. The rules and laws are different. She's not a private person working at a cubicle minding her own business. Her image is open for public consumption on national television.

What are you arguing that because a person has a job public job than workplace decorum and rules on sexual harassment do not apply to them? Again it has nothing to do with either of their jobs but the fact that they both are working for the same corporate entity and he made comments that ESPN felt were inappropriate for the workplace.

A person can make a comment that everyone in the office found hilarious but if that one person is offended and the head honchos are made aware of it they have to take action.

Personally I think Storm just needs a good personal shopper and wearing plaid when your not in Private School or a stripper is always a no no.

Again, I'm not trying to argue Storm's right to be offended or ESPN's right to suspend him. What I am saying is that the hypocrisy is astounding. Had he said that very same thing about, say, one of the American Idol judges there would be no thread right now.

They pay him to say those very things about anybody other than an ESPN employee. Thats the only point I'm making.

In addition, I think Storm is being a bit sensitive, because the man is 100% right. She looks hella dumb dressing like that at her old ass age. He wasnt vicious about it, he just poked at her with his typical humor. Her skin should be thicker as a public figure; especially considering she has the nerve to dress like that on a day-to-day basis.

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2/24/2010  6:10 PM
sebstar wrote:
bitty41 wrote:
sebstar wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Well he shouldn't be getting paid for THAY, and it is a hostile work environment. Even if they don't cross paths, other people talk about it, and it definitely gets brought up to eachother or behind their backs. That IS a hostile work environment, which is not fauly.

She's a public figure tho, fam. The rules and laws are different. She's not a private person working at a cubicle minding her own business. Her image is open for public consumption on national television.

What are you arguing that because a person has a job public job than workplace decorum and rules on sexual harassment do not apply to them? Again it has nothing to do with either of their jobs but the fact that they both are working for the same corporate entity and he made comments that ESPN felt were inappropriate for the workplace.

A person can make a comment that everyone in the office found hilarious but if that one person is offended and the head honchos are made aware of it they have to take action.

Personally I think Storm just needs a good personal shopper and wearing plaid when your not in Private School or a stripper is always a no no.

Again, I'm not trying to argue Storm's right to be offended or ESPN's right to suspend him. What I am saying is that the hypocrisy is astounding. Had he said that very same thing about, say, one of the American Idol judges there would be no thread right now.

They pay him to say those very things about anybody other than an ESPN employee. Thats the only point I'm making.

In addition, I think Storm is being a bit sensitive, because the man is 100% right. She looks hella dumb dressing like that at her old ass age. He wasnt vicious about it, he just poked at her with his typical humor. Her skin should be thicker as a public figure; especially considering she has the nerve to dress like that on a day-to-day basis.


Exactly you hit the nail on the head had he said that about a non co-worker he would have been fine. Before you start on Stormv(which is a wacky name btw) we don't know what she feels about the situation. She may have brushed it off or there maybe some other beef going on between the two of them and Kornheiser saw his show as an opportunity to go in on her. We don't know.

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2/24/2010  6:44 PM
Nalod wrote:
I think the fact he said it on the air makes it exempt from a harassment label. If he said it at the water cooler it might be different. His on air persona may be very different.

Just a take......

i'm pretty sure ESPN is overreacting because they don't wanna hear from the feminist & anti-defamation groups about it... the fact that this was all on the air is probably the reason why they're coming down hard on this issue... if it was said in passing in the office i doubt it would warrant a suspension.

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2/25/2010  1:21 AM
You know what's funny--the guy was dead on right. I enjoy women in tight close like any other man on this earth-and she has a nice figure from the waist down but that outfit was way too much. Looks like she watched Scooby Doo and found one of her old Veronica outfits from 1975.
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