Allanfan20 wrote:Depressing, but unfortunately true.

When have we tanked it to better the team? I mean everyone knows you have to tank it in the NBA once in awhile--we have bluntly scked while trying ton win--again with no draft pick for compensation. We had every chance to tank a couple of years--we were already bad--just needed to finish it off. Nope.

This is what Im saying about Dolan--it's his ineptness that has caused this--his believes have been poor. He wants a bailout

BRIGGS wrote:

I'm disgusted by the idiocy of this trade and Im also a realist. LBJ is a bailout for the people who made this deal--but it was never going to happen anyway. If he is a man of his word--why would he come to NY--what exactly is going to provide a winner here anytime soon? I've wanted to build a strong balanced team over the last 8 years starting in the pivot--weve just refused do do it. Dolan wants LBJ as a bailout for his inept handling of his team.

I understand your point of view but I don't agree with it.

You also can't build the team YOU want you have to build a team the GM and Coach want. So that's two separate things there.

As to the trade it's not as big a deal as you want it to be if you take into consideration that we could be a pretty good team as a result of it.

Not to mention despite being backed into a corner in the 11th hour and having to give up an extra asset to get Jeffries off the cap the truth is we made the other 2011s go away without spending any assets at all. So if you look at the plan, which was to tear down the roster, and you look at the final cost of doing so (Hill who isn't very good, 2011 swap yet to be determined because houston isnt very good, 2012 pick yet to be determined because we will be pretty good by then) you should come to the conclusion that Walsh did a very good job.

Zach, Crawford, Jeffries, Hill - Bad players on long term contracts.

Liquidated entirely into 2010 expiring contracts.

Using Mardy Collins, Hill himself, 2011 pick swap (undetermined), 2012 pick (undetermined).

Hey, that's pretty damn good. That's very well done. If you told me that it would take Collins, Hill, a 2011 pick swap, and a 2012 pick to move out nearly 40M in guaranteed 2011 money and gave me a shot at the league's elite? I'd been dancing in the streets.

I even made posts a while ago saying "If it took Nate, Lee, Chandler, Gallo, etc to make cap space would you do it?" Some people felt they would. And we didn't use them. We used Jordan Hill (who stunk and whose 2011 was hurting us as well), a pick swap in 2011 (which wont be much if nothing at all because Houston stinks), and a 2012 pick (which might be irrelevant if we do well in the offseasons of 2010 and 2011).

Is that really that bad? I think it was a terrific job.

Now, what we build from the ashes is a SEPARATE ISSUE altogether. Can't hitch both wagons together.

Had to:

a) Tear down the mess, end the business practices that got us that mess. (done)

b) Start building a new team from scratch (pending)

c) Put the final touches on the new team and then compete (pending)

You judge each body of work by itself.

Part A is done. Part A was done very well.

Now let's see what Part B turns out to be before we get upset, shall we? Why speak down on something that has yet to occur?

ramtour420 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:At least we know where Briggs stands on LeBron:

Briggs wrote:
If you leave Cleveland for NY you are a chump. You will have the credibility of zero. Ny has backed themselves into a corner where they cannot fill out their roster--meaning no big men--no bench and what they have left is vastly over rated. Cleveland has built a diversified strong team with a ton of depth that is obviously in line to win multiple championships if you are a part--how could a winner leave a winning team for such a bad team. I would look at how stupid the kNicks have been over the last 8 years trading from positions of weakness giving no protections on multiple picks that couldve helped them build a team. They have spent more money in the NBA over the last 10 years than anyone else--and second place isnt close--and not ONE 500 team--forget championships. If you want to lose come to NY--it's a lock---READ this Lebron and remember this--if you leave Clev for NY--you are ZERO And this is from a very big Knicks fan:)
You have everything here and in NY you will have nothing. Cheers!

By the way living in NY is over rated--take it from me

They say the truth hurts.

Ok, i never post with the intent to insult anyone but this is going to be an exception. Briggs u are a miserable, self righteous asswipe. You are not a knicks fan, the only thing you care about is your opinion. You have some very excellent insights sometimes but this is just pathetic. Do you hear me you ****tard? GTFO of here with this bullshyte.I can't even begin to describe how messed up this is on so many levels. Don't you dare to call yourself a Knicks fan, you selfish POS ever again. You do not have the right.You say the truth hurts? No pal, what you were saying ain't the truth, but it does hurt because you are taking our chance and you are trying to mix it with poop. And why? Because it goes against what you think is right. I can't even believe my eyes. I've been reading this forum for about 7 or 8 years or so and this is just so upsetting i just don't know what to say.

p.s. I am sry if any1 other than briggs got offended

Ram went in on this one. Damn. LOL.

I've seen all kinds of crazy shyt said on this board. Its funny that this Briggs quote has got everybody all hot. I've never seen people react so strongly to something around here before.

Briggs been doin this for years. He really is his own biggest fan and fancies himself as an untapped genius of a GM. He gets personally offended when the Knicks dont follow one of his suggestions. When they dont listen to him, he like gets like Charles Bronson. Out for Blood and shyt.

Walsh is doing the complete opposite of Layden and Isiah.

Layden and Isiah recycled expiring contracts and draft picks for useless overpaid trash that backed our team into a corner.

Walsh used assets to dump the mistakes and start over.

They are nothing alike. You haven't even seen what Walsh intends to do with all this freedom now. But you're bashing it like you already know the outcome.

Cosmic wrote:What show goes on?

Walsh is doing the complete opposite of Layden and Isiah.

Layden and Isiah recycled expiring contracts and draft picks for useless overpaid trash that backed our team into a corner.

Walsh used assets to dump the mistakes and start over.

They are nothing alike. You haven't even seen what Walsh intends to do with all this freedom now. But you're bashing it like you already know the outcome.

Start over????..Doing things differently???.We just gave up there draft picks for a shot to Starphuck all over again...If LeBron don't sign we are done for the next 5 years...How is that any different from the last two GM's??????

Cosmic wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:At least we know where Briggs stands on LeBron:

Briggs wrote:
If you leave Cleveland for NY you are a chump. You will have the credibility of zero. Ny has backed themselves into a corner where they cannot fill out their roster--meaning no big men--no bench and what they have left is vastly over rated. Cleveland has built a diversified strong team with a ton of depth that is obviously in line to win multiple championships if you are a part--how could a winner leave a winning team for such a bad team. I would look at how stupid the kNicks have been over the last 8 years trading from positions of weakness giving no protections on multiple picks that couldve helped them build a team. They have spent more money in the NBA over the last 10 years than anyone else--and second place isnt close--and not ONE 500 team--forget championships. If you want to lose come to NY--it's a lock---READ this Lebron and remember this--if you leave Clev for NY--you are ZERO And this is from a very big Knicks fan:)
You have everything here and in NY you will have nothing. Cheers!

By the way living in NY is over rated--take it from me

HAHAHAHA... is this off realgm or some place else?

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No real fan speaks like this. You can say you don't think we'll sign LeBron but to speak on it as if you're not a Knick fan but a troll from another team is embarrassing. Going out of your way to make up fake nonsense about this situation to further the agenda. Is BRIGGS even a Knick fan or is he a gimmick poster? Dude's got no business calling other posters out I can tell you that.

The one who is a chump with zero credibility is BRIGGS.

If Lebron mentions the above post by Briggs as being the deciding factor if he resigns with the Cavs, not only should Briggs be banned from posting on UK, but the New York Stock Exchange should prevent him from buying and selling stocks, and the NYC Chamber of Commerce should sue him for slandering this great city of ours.

Outrageous... simply outrageous!!