nychamp wrote:Again, the short-sighted stat line argument. Most important statistic: 1 loss for the Knicks.

Did you watch the game? Lee was his usual dynamic self on offense. He actually stepped up at blocked a few shots, too. If we could see more of that on a consistent basis, we could be having a different converstaion right now. However, when he was our last line of defense, down the stretch when the Knicks were protecting a lead, OKC scored EASILY, with minimal resistence. Lee was the culprit many of those times. I was watching it. Intently. He didn't even jump when his man is 1 foot away from the hoop, clearly shooting. Just stands there, hands up, no desire to prevent the shot. That's not getting it done, even minimally.

Again, overall Lee is a talented player. But his lack of interior defense is a critical, fatal flaw in his game. I'd love him back for medium money, because given his horrendous defense and his awesome offense, that's what he's worth.

But people, when the game is on the line and you need a stop, you need a ****ing stop!!! Not a pretty ****ing double double. You feel me?

agreed... no one discounts David Lee's offensive game... but when he is your last line of defense & you have guys like Krstic & Collison making easy layups & tipins around the rim in crunchtime, u have a serious problem... until we address that issue then Lee can put up 30 & 10 games til the end of days & we'll still be a shytty team. (& please, enough w/the "well if we had a legitimate 7 footer" argument anymore to excuse his lack of defense... Nick Collison is an inch taller & nowhere near the basketball player Lee is, how about boxing the fugger out & not letting him get to those easy tipins?)

TMS wrote:

nychamp wrote:Again, the short-sighted stat line argument. Most important statistic: 1 loss for the Knicks.

Did you watch the game? Lee was his usual dynamic self on offense. He actually stepped up at blocked a few shots, too. If we could see more of that on a consistent basis, we could be having a different converstaion right now. However, when he was our last line of defense, down the stretch when the Knicks were protecting a lead, OKC scored EASILY, with minimal resistence. Lee was the culprit many of those times. I was watching it. Intently. He didn't even jump when his man is 1 foot away from the hoop, clearly shooting. Just stands there, hands up, no desire to prevent the shot. That's not getting it done, even minimally.

Again, overall Lee is a talented player. But his lack of interior defense is a critical, fatal flaw in his game. I'd love him back for medium money, because given his horrendous defense and his awesome offense, that's what he's worth.

But people, when the game is on the line and you need a stop, you need a ****ing stop!!! Not a pretty ****ing double double. You feel me?

agreed... no one discounts David Lee's offensive game... but when he is your last line of defense & you have guys like Krstic & Collison making easy layups & tipins around the rim in crunchtime, u have a serious problem... until we address that issue then Lee can put up 30 & 10 games til the end of days & we'll still be a shytty team. (& please, enough w/the "well if we had a legitimate 7 footer" argument anymore to excuse his lack of defense... Nick Collison is an inch taller & nowhere near the basketball player Lee is, how about boxing the fugger out & not letting him get to those easy tipins?)

The problem we have in the post is we don't play 2 bigs--the best way to enhance the team is to get rid of Duhon Bender and Harrington and add a real PF/C who can compliment Lee another PG and a quality wing.

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

nychamp wrote:Again, the short-sighted stat line argument. Most important statistic: 1 loss for the Knicks.

Did you watch the game? Lee was his usual dynamic self on offense. He actually stepped up at blocked a few shots, too. If we could see more of that on a consistent basis, we could be having a different converstaion right now. However, when he was our last line of defense, down the stretch when the Knicks were protecting a lead, OKC scored EASILY, with minimal resistence. Lee was the culprit many of those times. I was watching it. Intently. He didn't even jump when his man is 1 foot away from the hoop, clearly shooting. Just stands there, hands up, no desire to prevent the shot. That's not getting it done, even minimally.

Again, overall Lee is a talented player. But his lack of interior defense is a critical, fatal flaw in his game. I'd love him back for medium money, because given his horrendous defense and his awesome offense, that's what he's worth.

But people, when the game is on the line and you need a stop, you need a ****ing stop!!! Not a pretty ****ing double double. You feel me?

agreed... no one discounts David Lee's offensive game... but when he is your last line of defense & you have guys like Krstic & Collison making easy layups & tipins around the rim in crunchtime, u have a serious problem... until we address that issue then Lee can put up 30 & 10 games til the end of days & we'll still be a shytty team. (& please, enough w/the "well if we had a legitimate 7 footer" argument anymore to excuse his lack of defense... Nick Collison is an inch taller & nowhere near the basketball player Lee is, how about boxing the fugger out & not letting him get to those easy tipins?)

The problem we have in the post is we don't play 2 bigs--the best way to enhance the team is to get rid of Duhon Bender and Harrington and add a real PF/C who can compliment Lee another PG and a quality wing.

we need a shotblocker so in that regard i completely agree w/u that trading for Ty Thomas would have been the right move... we should have made a move like that a long time ago, whether it was trading a 2nd rounder for Marcus Camby or making a play for Brendan Haywood... we need a shotblocker to make up for Lee's lack of interior defense that won't command touches on the offensive side of the ball... guys like TT, Camby, Haywood, etc. fit that bill perfectly... this summer we have limited resources to sign anyone that can make that huge of a defensive impact in the frontcourt unless we find a sleeper in the 2nd round since the plan is to sign Lebron & Bosh or Amare... maybe u know of some sleeper propects that u've come across that u can suggest that might be able to fill that role in the 2nd round?

TheGame wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:and the guy responds with 30-10-6-3 on 12/16---put Gallinari at Harringtons 6th man position--find a good big man who can compliment Lee--then you have something.

Honestly, I think the best we are going to do this summer is resigning Lee for $10 mil, resigning McGrady on a 1yr $8 mil or so deal, and signing Bosh. We then would resign Sergio and House. Our team next year would be:

Sergio
McGrady
Gallo
Lee
Bosh

with Chandler, House, Bill Walker, JR, Bender, and our second round picks on the bench.

This team would be a big improvement but not a contender. But if we sign McGrady to a 1 yr deal and with Curry expiring, we could sign another max player that following year.

That looks interesting. Add Melo to that mix the following year and we would be a definite contender. Thing is, would Bosh be into that plan? Not so sure.

I don't think the Knicks want a player like that--I think they just want pure offensive skill players.

that's 1 of the main problems i have w/MDA's line of thinking... he's so fascinated by guys who can knock down the 3 pointer that he's not focusing on our main area of need, which is more defensive minded players... u can't win in this game w/o defense, i don't care who you are... even MDA's Suns had Marion who was averaging 1.7 blocked shots a game when MDA was coaching them along w/Stephen Hunter who was giving them over a block per game off their bench... we just traded away the only guy who had a defensive mindset in Fishlips & our rook who was a good shotblocker in college, we need to fill that need somehow... can't have a team full of jumpshooters & expect to contend for the playoffs much less win any championships.

one of the key plays was durant hitting the 3 late. his man got screened b lee's man and lee was under the basket...when his team was up 3 and his man was setting a screen no for one of the league's best scorers and he was nowhere near the play

i love lee but on D he is most definitely a liability. that last play wasn't even getting out-athletic abilities or out-beasted he just wasn't anywhere useful on the floor at all.

sebstar wrote:

misterearl wrote:Just don't ask for Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin.

"Let's ask Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson errr I mean Sebstar and Playa."

Sebstar is much more a basketball scholar - think Henry Louis Gates or John Henrik Clarke

playa? Think Cornel West.

They'll tell us what to do.

How bout we just let your David Duke ass tell it.

EDIT: I quoted the wrong person here. LOL. My bad, Earl. I know you we're like, huh? Meant to direct this at Cosmic.

sebstar wrote:

sebstar wrote:

misterearl wrote:Just don't ask for Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin.

"Let's ask Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson errr I mean Sebstar and Playa."

Sebstar is much more a basketball scholar - think Henry Louis Gates or John Henrik Clarke

playa? Think Cornel West.

They'll tell us what to do.

How bout we just let your David Duke ass tell it.

EDIT: I quoted the wrong person here. LOL. My bad, Earl. I know you we're like, huh? Meant to direct this at Cosmic.

LOL.

Yeah, sorry for that post, sebstar. I mean, I won't take it back or anything, but it was in poor taste. Apologies.