BRIGGS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:I'm not explaining it to you twice, BRIGGS, go back and read the post I already put in this thread and stop being dense.

It's not 30M more. So just STOP.

It's 30mm more + my friend--anyway you want to view it. 5 years 70mm versus 6 years 104mm. I guess you can guarantee that a player will make an additional 30mm once his 5 year contract is up. I'm not the dense one here my man.

Yes, you are. You don't compare 5 years of salary to 6 years of salary and call it a difference. You compare 5 to 5 or 6 to 6 and then you get the actual discrepancy.

If he signs in NY he will sign for 3 years, then get extended on the 12.5% raise. So after 6 full years of NYK salary versus 6 full years of CLE salary he's leaving less than 10M on the table. NOT 30.

I doubt he signs on the Knicks or signs a CLE extension for more than 3 years again anyways. This sets him up to sign for 3, sign a 6 year max, then be able to sign one last 3 year deal in his final seasons as a player.

But go on pretending it's 30M dollars. If it makes you feel good to slam the door in the faces of fans who actually want a star player on the team, unlike you, who wants to load us up with random D-league scrubs nobody has ever heard of.

Cosmic wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:I'm not explaining it to you twice, BRIGGS, go back and read the post I already put in this thread and stop being dense.

It's not 30M more. So just STOP.

It's 30mm more + my friend--anyway you want to view it. 5 years 70mm versus 6 years 104mm. I guess you can guarantee that a player will make an additional 30mm once his 5 year contract is up. I'm not the dense one here my man.

Yes, you are. You don't compare 5 years of salary to 6 years of salary and call it a difference. You compare 5 to 5 or 6 to 6 and then you get the actual discrepancy.

If he signs in NY he will sign for 3 years, then get extended on the 12.5% raise. So after 6 full years of NYK salary versus 6 full years of CLE salary he's leaving less than 10M on the table. NOT 30.

I doubt he signs on the Knicks or signs a CLE extension for more than 3 years again anyways. This sets him up to sign for 3, sign a 6 year max, then be able to sign one last 3 year deal in his final seasons as a player.

But go on pretending it's 30M dollars. If it makes you feel good to slam the door in the faces of fans who actually want a star player on the team, unlike you, who wants to load us up with random D-league scrubs nobody has ever heard of.

This is stupid Cosmic--it's the best contract. If someone gave you the choice of 6 years guaranteed money for 107 mm versus 5 years for 73--which would you take? Done. Now go feed the birds and enjoy your Sunday:)

BRIGGS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:I'm not explaining it to you twice, BRIGGS, go back and read the post I already put in this thread and stop being dense.

It's not 30M more. So just STOP.

It's 30mm more + my friend--anyway you want to view it. 5 years 70mm versus 6 years 104mm. I guess you can guarantee that a player will make an additional 30mm once his 5 year contract is up. I'm not the dense one here my man.

Its totally irrellevent anyway, because if we sign Lebron or Bosh they will opt out after 3 years for that massive 6 year Arenas type extension, and their agents know the Knicks will give them that

BasketballJones wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:I'm not explaining it to you twice, BRIGGS, go back and read the post I already put in this thread and stop being dense.

It's not 30M more. So just STOP.

It's 30mm more + my friend--anyway you want to view it. 5 years 70mm versus 6 years 104mm. I guess you can guarantee that a player will make an additional 30mm once his 5 year contract is up. I'm not the dense one here my man.

its only $30mm more if the guy gets hurt. Its as if your working under the assumption this is the last contract that Bosh or Lebron would ever get. So if you want to argue that Cle or Tor can offer them an additional $30mm in SECURITY thats fine, but they cant pay the player $30mm more, they can pay them $10mm more. As we have discussed 100000000000 times that number means very little in the case of Lebron because of the Nike contract and other endorsements.

Its totally irrellevent anyway, because if we sign Lebron or Bosh they will opt out after 3 years for that massive 6 year Arenas type extension, and their agents know the Knicks will give them that

That's too complicated. I'm gonna go with BRIGGs "Cleveland is offering Lebron 30 million more than NY".

that's a good idea. then we just have to come up with $1 each from everyone in the tri-state area and it's covered.

BRIGGS wrote:He makes no more in endorsements than Carl Landry and he's a young good-looking white all star with a good personality. That type of money is only there for very few choice players.

This statement is completely false....Lee has endorsment deals with Vitamin Water....I've seen th ads myself, and I read he has a spot coming up on Celebrity apprentice where contestants are designing a commercial for him for Right Guard.

BRIGGS wrote:

Andrew wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He makes no more in endorsements than Carl Landry and he's a young good-looking white all star with a good personality. That type of money is only there for very few choice players.

This statement is completely false....Lee has endorsment deals with Vitamin Water....I've seen th ads myself, and I read he has a spot coming up on Celebrity apprentice where contestants are designing a commercial for him for Right Guard.

Im being facetious--but I think you get my point--he doesn't make endorsement$ that subsidizes a windfall of 33-34mm.

I think if I gave 100 people the choice of taking 5 years and 70mm versus 6 years and 104mm---99 would take the bigger contract and one flower girl would quite content with the lesser number. People like to live in fantasy world.

You # is even less relevant when you consider the age factor. The player is almost certain to opt out after 3 years for another MAX extension for 6 years and 12% raises, etc etc. Your realisticly talking about $5-$7mm in NBA salary over 3 years offset by endorsments.

OR... you can ignore reality and like Nigel in Spinal Tap remind us that this one goes to 11

Briggs:

BigSm00th wrote:how many hypothetical and speculative posts can there be?

Infinite.

Cosmic wrote:

TMS wrote:if we miss out on Lebron it will be the best thing to ever happen to D Lee's agent, because he'll be able to sell him on the whole "home grown talent" angle & he'll know the Knicks are in a huge pickle & won't want to lose 1 of their most popular players if they can't land the bignames in free agency... in that case i can see him & his agent asking for at least 12-14 mil per on a 6 year deal & i can see the Knicks paying the fare if Plan A fails.

Yeah...and I bite my nails on that...and...Al Harrington, Walsh's buddy, still being here if we strike out completely. We all know both will get re-signed.

Eek.

It will be very entertaining if we strike out because we just gave up our hedge for it. Having Cap space and panic moves can happen. I think we panicked at the deadline--certainly they could do it again.

BRIGGS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

TMS wrote:if we miss out on Lebron it will be the best thing to ever happen to D Lee's agent, because he'll be able to sell him on the whole "home grown talent" angle & he'll know the Knicks are in a huge pickle & won't want to lose 1 of their most popular players if they can't land the bignames in free agency... in that case i can see him & his agent asking for at least 12-14 mil per on a 6 year deal & i can see the Knicks paying the fare if Plan A fails.

Yeah...and I bite my nails on that...and...Al Harrington, Walsh's buddy, still being here if we strike out completely. We all know both will get re-signed.

Eek.

It will be very entertaining if we strike out because we just gave up our hedge for it. Having Cap space and panic moves can happen. I think we panicked at the deadline--certainly they could do it again.

right now "Plan B" is basically panic mode time... IMO they're going to sign Joe Johnson if they miss out on Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Amare & re-sign Lee to a lucrative extension... T-Mac will walk in that case obviously so we'll be left to spend the remaining $4-5 mil of cap space on role playing vets on 1 year deals to fill the rest of the roster... then Donnie Walsh will attempt to sell the entire Knicks' fanbase on the whole "we've retained our flexibility to pursue a bigtime talent in 2011" angle once Curry's contract comes off the books next summer & watch as Houston swaps their late 1st round pick for our lottery pick.