knickstorrents wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:
Meanwhile, consider the other scenario. If those A-list free agents stay with their original teams, the Knicks are pretty much hosed -- they'd be left to re-sign Lee, overpay some other second-tier free agent and go 32-50 for the next half-decade. This is a high-risk strategy forced upon them by the misery of the Isiah Thomas era, and it remains unclear how well it will pan out.

I don't agree with this scenario however. Everyone seems to think teams need to spend cap up to the max. This is a fallacy. We can stay under the cap and sign reasonable deals, and just be patient even if we strike out during the summer. Things change during the course of the year and having the cap space to take on salary can allow us to pick up assets cheaply, by being a facilitator on deals.

Well
1 - We could have stayed under the cap and been patient without the trade.
2 - So, we have to pay through the nose for the ability to pick up assets cheaply?
3 - The trade says all in this year, otherwise the trade is a failure.
4 - Letting Jeffries and Curry's contracts expire next year would have meant patience.

misterearl wrote:Death blow?

Classic. Panos, you ain't going anywhere and you know it.

The ETA is 2011-12. Enjoy the ride.

I ain't buying that. I ain't hearin' 2011. This move was about 2010.
Don't make me ban you again.

Whether the move was about 2010 or 2011, guess what? Neither you or I have an ounce of influence over what Donnie has up his sleeve.

You can toughen up and hang in there until The Answer Man tells you to hang in there, or you can throw a tantrum. It won't matter.

No to Joe Johnson.

Think Chris Bosh. The Knicks desperately need more height.

Andrew wrote:

WindsorPl wrote:True, but to a point. Is Lee = Hill, Jeffries and 2 picks? I don't think so.

To be 100% correct it's not Hill, Jeffries and 2 picks. It's would be Hill, Jeffries, a possible downgrade in the 2011 pick and a 2012 pick.

Andrew,
Yes, possible swap. But it's only possible if the Knicks suck next year, which is the fear I have.
Happened with chicago in 2007 and netted them Joakim Noah.
Same thing for 2012, I could care less if it's a non lottery pick. The question is what if it is?

This brings back bad memories, but it is relevant

Paxson, the Bulls' general manager, acquired the Knicks' pick in the Eddy Curry trade last fall. At the time, no one figured that the Knicks would do so poorly, or that the pick would become so valuable.

"This is kind of like found money," Paxson said after the N.B.A. held its draft lottery here Tuesday night.
Paxson also said several times that he never anticipated that the pick would end up so high. The Knicks, despite acquiring Curry and hiring Coach Larry Brown, finished with the second-worst record in the league and had a 19.9 percent chance of landing the No. 1 pick.

All I am afraid of is for history to repeat itself. We could have used Joakim and Tyrus on this team.

Pharzeone wrote:So the Knicks gave up unnecessary picks to trade a guy when he comes off the books anyway next season to wait until then to use that cap space. I'm not sure if that is acceptable by anyone's standard. As stressed by most analysts. This is about 2010, if not then Donnie really f'up.

How do people feel about this roster for 2010? Think Tmac signs for something close to 5? Lee for 10? Curry buyout and that number could go up a bit.

Eddy Curry		11,276,863.00
David Lee		10,000,000.00
Danilo Gallinari	3,304,560.00
Wilson Chandler		2,130,482.00
Toney Douglas		1,071,000.00
tmac			5,000,000.00
Sergio			1,500,000.00
MAX Player		16,600,000.00
Roster Hold		500,000.00
Roster Hold		500,000.00
Roster Hold		500,000.00
Roster Hold		500,000.00
Total Salary		52,882,905.00

crzymdups wrote:

Andrew wrote:I agree this trade is all about getting one of the top FAs in 2010. It's not all about being a championship contender in 2010 though.

How do people feel about this roster for 2010? Think Tmac signs for something close to 5? Lee for 10? Curry buyout and that number could go up a bit.

Eddy Curry		11,276,863.00
David Lee		10,000,000.00
Danilo Gallinari	3,304,560.00
Wilson Chandler		2,130,482.00
Toney Douglas		1,071,000.00
tmac			5,000,000.00
Sergio			1,500,000.00
MAX Player		16,600,000.00
Roster Hold		500,000.00
Roster Hold		500,000.00
Roster Hold		500,000.00
Roster Hold		500,000.00
Total Salary		52,882,905.00

i just came in here to say something like this. i think it will be VERY interesting to watch Tmac the rest of the way and see if he fits. i think it will be even more interesting to see if Sergio can run the offense. I think they will try to retain Sergio this summer if possible, if he works.

of course, TMAC, DLee and Sergio add up to $16.5M in this plan AKA another max deal.

i do think Walsh will investigate the possibility of getting two max guys. i think a lot of it will be talking to their first target (whether that's Bron, Bosh or whoever) and saying - what do you want to do with the rest of the cap room.

BRIGGS wrote:I think there is many ways to put a team together and the Knicks basically took away the drafting aspect of it for three years. If the Knicks are bad---we get nothing for it--nothing to compensate a bad year. When we sit back adn watch Utah potentially take a John Wall--than anyone will understand what I am talking about---we tried this once!!! Perhasp it was under a different scenario to get a *star* Steph Marbury but it backfired BADLY. This is the SAME thing. If we had kept the 24mm in cap instead of 33 we couldve offered one max fA and signed David Lee to a 10mm per contract by simply buying out Curry for 9.75mm or trading Douglas for a 2nd rounder.--that wouldve gave us almost 26

16.7mm for the max contract and a 10mm contract start at 8.3--25mm. In the scenario we get tow max contracts we lose David Lee. We will not be the one's who will discover if Hill is good or not. Unless we get Lebroin James this was an insanely desperate --not very well thought out panic move. the numbers dont work to fil out the roster--were going to have to have like 7 minimum salary players--hard to win like that. If LGJ is a man of his word hes not coming to this train wreck and I dont think he will. If the Knicks panicked at the deadline--they will be worse with money to burn--they will impulse buy.

Briggs- I so agree with you- and here is the really key part.

Say we bring in 2 max players- and as you rightly point out- we'll have to fill out a lot of the supporting cast with minimum salary guys.

I have 2 words for everyone: Anthony Roberson.

Walsh & MDA have yet to find 1 halfway decent player among undrafted or NBDL players. In fact, they've made some horrible mistakes in talent judgment that lead me to argue that unless Lebron and his second fiddle can win a championship alone, its going to be a failed strategy.

BRIGGS wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:I just don't get the idea that Walsh made the move he did yesterday as a means to sign Lee to a $10 million contract. Well, I hope not. That team is still very weak defensively, I personally don't think you can get a top level superstar to sign off on that team. Too much of a risk for a superstar to leave his team over or to turn down say Chicago who already have a rising young star like Rose or an establish superstar like Wade.

Derrick Rose is better than all of any Knicks left combined--he's a burgeoning star

If I'm Bosh that would be the first place that I look at no matter what Lebron is doing. Just saying.