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BRIGGS
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2/18/2010  2:45 AM
tkf wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:1. Not drafting Brook Lopez[I know many people like Gallo--but bypassing a 7-1 265 pound skill C was the biggest error to date for building a team]
2. Not trading Wilson Chandler for pick 5[Stephon Curry--this may be 1--it very well could be 1--thats how bad it was]
3. Not signing David Lee for 7mm per
4 Last years full draft[take your pick because Jordan Hill is going to Houston and he wasn't anywhere near the BPA ]
5 Signing Anthony Roberson over Anthony Morrow
6 Getting nothing for Nate Robinson over 2 years
7 Putting so much faith in Chris Duhon this year
8 Inability to find cheap players who can play like a CJ Watson--hey Donnie did you see him play tonight--maybe we shouldve brought him in for cheap this summer instead of throwing all of the eggs in the basket with Duhon and overpaying for Douglas?
9 Trading Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford prematurely and getting nothing except cap space[this could be significantly higher--its a wait and see.
10 Only attempt at a 7 footer was darko

I feel something very bad brewing--so I am allowed to swap. So far this effort has been stale and poor. There is a ton of dysfunction and they have only 1 plan.

well briggs, you know How I feel about #1.. I like gallo.. but you have valid points on 2-8 and 10, can't really argue there.. 9 is a stretch somewhat..

LOL at #5... we just can't get lucky can't we...

I see the potential in Gallo--it's just the way I like formulating a team. If you really think hard--theyve made mistakes at every turn--theyve barely done anything right. And it shows in the record and the dysfunction.

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TMS
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2/18/2010  4:02 AM
was GS shopping their #5 pick to us for Wilson at any time?
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2/18/2010  4:09 AM
TMS wrote:was GS shopping their #5 pick to us for Wilson at any time?

I thought the rumor was Washington trading us the #5 pick...

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2/18/2010  4:11 AM
sebstar wrote:
TMS wrote:was GS shopping their #5 pick to us for Wilson at any time?

I thought the rumor was Washington trading us the #5 pick...

That was a rumor. Just like Nate/Jeffries for Kenny Thomas. We'll never know if it was true. Look at these "insiders" right now. Most of the **** they say is wrong. One minute they're saying T-Mac to NY, the other minute he's heading to Sacramento.

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2/18/2010  4:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2010  4:14 AM
Naw, I agree. Its hard to get wrapped up in a missed tranaction as impacting the franchise if you dont even know if it was a reality or not.
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2/18/2010  4:29 AM
sebstar wrote:
TMS wrote:was GS shopping their #5 pick to us for Wilson at any time?

I thought the rumor was Washington trading us the #5 pick...

oh, right... that would make sense then.

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2/18/2010  5:03 AM
it would suck if jeffries doesnt get the flip out (in any trade) cuz of this "injury"... why the heck was he playing if he might be traded?
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2/18/2010  7:21 AM
On item 2, Minnesota wanted Chandler and our pick for their pick.
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2/18/2010  7:38 AM
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sebstar wrote:I really dont get your fascination with Brook Lopez. At best duke is Sharif Abdur Rahim or whatever the fukk his name was version 2.0

Stephan Curry is good, but he's not a franchise changer. We would have been just fine drafting Jennings our point guard of the future and keeping Wilson Chandler. That should be number one. Completely missing on Jennings because he wasnt some soft ass boy scout or whatever it is D'ivatoni is looking for in his players.

I put my foot down there---Curry and Lopez will be all stars in this league at the most important positions---I'll eat my underwear if they arent. Im going to tell you Stephon Curry is better than almost anyone believes.

I look forward to seeing that on youtube. Lopez is a turtle. An absolute dinosaur. Maybe he makes an all star game or two because centers are few and far between but he will not be a star in this league. He will always be a usefull player, just like guys like Dampier will always get big contracts. NBA 7 footers are like pitchers that can throw 99mph. So long as they can chuck it someone will take a chance.

By the way Sebstar, Briggs had a man crush on Abdur Rahim. A few summers ago he literally posted every day about how we MUST get Rahim. On and on.. it made the BJ Mullens fetish(he will be out of the league as fast as Rafeal Arujo) look sane.

Briggs you dont evaluate bigs very well. Just because a bigman can hit some shots and is 7 feet and athletic, etc etc doesnt mean he will be a bigtime player. If you were the Mets GM you would have given a max contract to Rick Ankiel.

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2/18/2010  8:29 AM
BRIGGS wrote:1. Not drafting Brook Lopez[I know many people like Gallo--but bypassing a 7-1 265 pound skill C was the biggest error to date for building a team]
2. Not trading Wilson Chandler for pick 5[Stephon Curry--this may be 1--it very well could be 1--thats how bad it was]
3. Not signing David Lee for 7mm per
4 Last years full draft[take your pick because Jordan Hill is going to Houston and he wasn't anywhere near the BPA ]
5 Signing Anthony Roberson over Anthony Morrow
6 Getting nothing for Nate Robinson over 2 years
7 Putting so much faith in Chris Duhon this year
8 Inability to find cheap players who can play like a CJ Watson--hey Donnie did you see him play tonight--maybe we shouldve brought him in for cheap this summer instead of throwing all of the eggs in the basket with Duhon and overpaying for Douglas?
9 Trading Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford prematurely and getting nothing except cap space[this could be significantly higher--its a wait and see.
10 Only attempt at a 7 footer was darko

I feel something very bad brewing--so I am allowed to swap. So far this effort has been stale and poor. There is a ton of dysfunction and they have only 1 plan.

1. I was at the draft praying that we would take Brook when he dropped, but am still happy with Gallo now. Still, I understand your point here.

2. From what I've read, Donnie was willing to trade Wilson for pick 5 and had a deal almost done until Minnesota came in with a deal that Washington liked better (prospect in Foye and a vet like Miller who was supposed to help a potential playoff team).

3. BRIGGS, I love Lee as much as anyone but I doubt we had a chance to sign him at 7 million per. I think David was asking for more than that. Keep in mind, Lee never signed an offer sheet so a lot of GMs must have thought that the Knicks would match any reasonable deal.

4. Agree with you on this point. So far, it looks like we have royally screwed up this draft. To be fair to Donnie, the two guys he wanted the most are the two best rookies out there right now (Tyreke and Curry). We know Donnie tried to get either of them so it is very tough to blame him 100% when Jennings was such a wild card. Still, we probably should have taken DeRozan at least.

5. Roberson was a minimum signing and finding diamonds in the rough like Morrow or Ben Wallace is very tough to do. Hard to put all the blame on Walsh for a missed opportunity like this when it happens so rarely.

6. Looks like we are getting a first round pick for Nate so I wouldn't say we got "nothing." Keep in mind, there was never much trade value for Nate either way.

7. Agree with you on Duhon, Donnie and Mike messed up on this one.

8. To be fair, they are trying to find cheap prospects (e.g. Landry) but you need some luck on your side too.

9. This was a move that had to be made. No team can be a winner with Zach and Crawford as the two main cogs. Donnie handled these trades perfectly and sold high. We don't even know if we would have made the playoffs with that team.

10. Eh, I'll give you this one although Bender was a good attempt.

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2/18/2010  8:31 AM
Funny, but I don't think anyone's taken offense to all ten of Briggs points, or the general thought that this group, while supposedly having a plan, has made blunders.

This is NY. Dolan has more money to throw than most other franchises. We should have the best managers.

But its becoming clear to me that as long as Dolan is the owner of this franchise, and making management decisions, this franchise is forever cursed.

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2/18/2010  9:16 AM
donnie flew out to italy to watch jennings play..but the italian coach kept jennings on the bench..walsh should have brought dantoni with him to use some influence with the italian coach..donnie and dantoni not on same page..the dantoni hiring might be his biggest mistake
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2/18/2010  9:31 AM
franco12 wrote:Funny, but I don't think anyone's taken offense to all ten of Briggs points, or the general thought that this group, while supposedly having a plan, has made blunders.

This is NY. Dolan has more money to throw than most other franchises. We should have the best managers.

But its becoming clear to me that as long as Dolan is the owner of this franchise, and making management decisions, this franchise is forever cursed.

EVERY GM has blunders. EVERY. Jerry West gave Brian Cardinal the full MLE and 5 years. The guy that brilliantly built a title team out of cast offs and spare parts that beat on the true NBA powerhouses also drafted Darko over Carmelo Anthony. We could go through this all day. Good GMs stick to a plan. Walsh is sticking to a plan and deserves a chance to execute.

Your going to cry over Anthony Morrow? Phucks sakes man... Walsh hasnt been perfect, but

Gallo is a good player now and has a high ceiling.
YOU applauded the Hill pick and said we got a good player
After November Chandler has scored 17ppg on 52% and is a very good defender.

I like reading your posts Briggs, sometimes your very insightful, othertimes your totall wrong. Fine. But the sky is falling and this regime has been a disaster mantra is old and worst of all its BORING.

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2/18/2010  9:36 AM
You forgot number 10.

Hiring Mike D'Antoni over Scott Skiles or Avery Johnson. D'Antoni has proven to be nothing special. He's a younger version of Don Nelson with that stupid and overrated one dimensional small ball system and sissy defensive play.

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2/18/2010  9:42 AM
fishmike wrote:I look forward to seeing that on youtube. Lopez is a turtle. An absolute dinosaur. Maybe he makes an all star game or two because centers are few and far between but he will not be a star in this league. He will always be a usefull player, just like guys like Dampier will always get big contracts. NBA 7 footers are like pitchers that can throw 99mph. So long as they can chuck it someone will take a chance.

By the way Sebstar, Briggs had a man crush on Abdur Rahim. A few summers ago he literally posted every day about how we MUST get Rahim. On and on.. it made the BJ Mullens fetish(he will be out of the league as fast as Rafeal Arujo) look sane.

Briggs you dont evaluate bigs very well. Just because a bigman can hit some shots and is 7 feet and athletic, etc etc doesnt mean he will be a bigtime player. If you were the Mets GM you would have given a max contract to Rick Ankiel.

Does that mean Eddy Curry still has some value?

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2/18/2010  9:56 AM
all these blunders will be forgiven if they do indeed result in briggs eating his underwear.
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2/18/2010  9:59 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
tkf wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:1. Not drafting Brook Lopez[I know many people like Gallo--but bypassing a 7-1 265 pound skill C was the biggest error to date for building a team]
2. Not trading Wilson Chandler for pick 5[Stephon Curry--this may be 1--it very well could be 1--thats how bad it was]
3. Not signing David Lee for 7mm per
4 Last years full draft[take your pick because Jordan Hill is going to Houston and he wasn't anywhere near the BPA ]
5 Signing Anthony Roberson over Anthony Morrow
6 Getting nothing for Nate Robinson over 2 years
7 Putting so much faith in Chris Duhon this year
8 Inability to find cheap players who can play like a CJ Watson--hey Donnie did you see him play tonight--maybe we shouldve brought him in for cheap this summer instead of throwing all of the eggs in the basket with Duhon and overpaying for Douglas?
9 Trading Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford prematurely and getting nothing except cap space[this could be significantly higher--its a wait and see.
10 Only attempt at a 7 footer was darko

I feel something very bad brewing--so I am allowed to swap. So far this effort has been stale and poor. There is a ton of dysfunction and they have only 1 plan.

well briggs, you know How I feel about #1.. I like gallo.. but you have valid points on 2-8 and 10, can't really argue there.. 9 is a stretch somewhat..

LOL at #5... we just can't get lucky can't we...

I see the potential in Gallo--it's just the way I like formulating a team. If you really think hard--theyve made mistakes at every turn--theyve barely done anything right. And it shows in the record and the dysfunction.

I Understand your concept. You have been screaming for a center since we drafted frye and you wanted bynum.. but I want a good center, and when it comes to drafting I want the best player. I honestly feel gallo will be the better player down the road....

Now as far as this years draft, yea, we it seems like we dropped the ball not drafting jennings.. but that doesn't mean hill can't be a good talent and asset for us, as some think he is a total waste.... Until hill gets a fair shake, I am going to lay off judging this draft completely...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/18/2010  10:13 AM
iSergio wrote:You forgot number 10.

Hiring Mike D'Antoni over Scott Skiles or Avery Johnson. D'Antoni has proven to be nothing special. He's a younger version of Don Nelson with that stupid and overrated one dimensional small ball system and sissy defensive play.

I actually agree with this, I would also throw Tom Thibodeau in the mix of coaches as well. We need to get rid of Herb too, he is the only constant in past decade. Our bigs can't play D and he is the bigman coach.

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2/18/2010  10:17 AM
fishmike wrote:
franco12 wrote:Funny, but I don't think anyone's taken offense to all ten of Briggs points, or the general thought that this group, while supposedly having a plan, has made blunders.

This is NY. Dolan has more money to throw than most other franchises. We should have the best managers.

But its becoming clear to me that as long as Dolan is the owner of this franchise, and making management decisions, this franchise is forever cursed.

EVERY GM has blunders. EVERY. Jerry West gave Brian Cardinal the full MLE and 5 years. The guy that brilliantly built a title team out of cast offs and spare parts that beat on the true NBA powerhouses also drafted Darko over Carmelo Anthony. We could go through this all day. Good GMs stick to a plan. Walsh is sticking to a plan and deserves a chance to execute.

Your going to cry over Anthony Morrow? Phucks sakes man... Walsh hasnt been perfect, but

Gallo is a good player now and has a high ceiling.
YOU applauded the Hill pick and said we got a good player
After November Chandler has scored 17ppg on 52% and is a very good defender.

I like reading your posts Briggs, sometimes your very insightful, othertimes your totall wrong. Fine. But the sky is falling and this regime has been a disaster mantra is old and worst of all its BORING.

VERY GOOD POINTS FISH.. I do undestand some of briggs points, but you are right. If we step back and not look at this as angry knick fans, walsh has not been that bad. As you said, gallo is a good player with a high ceiling, Hill has talent, we have cap space. I mean, really it is not that bad.. yes we are losing games now, but as we know, it was never about this year..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/18/2010  10:26 AM
In 1984, Portland drafted a young center named Sam Bowie passing on a young shooting guard named Michael Jordan.
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