djsunyc wrote:the marbury pick had protection too.

i really am starting to think that d'antoni messed up alot of stuff the past 2 seasons which in turn, screwed up walsh.

Not sure what you're getting at. Marbury pick was protected for like 7 drafts. It's too bad the Knicks sucked all 7 years because they could have give away a low 1st rounder one of those years. If the Knicks are going to suck for the next 7 years again then this franchise might as well be contracted.

VDesai wrote:Well. Who knows. Maybe we'll get good enough that swapping first rounders would we'd get a better pick, and the 2010 first rounders is something in the late 20's.

Either way I don't love it. I think its giving up entirely too much to get someone to take on a contract that is bad, but is not so long term that is an albatross. My gut tells me Hill will be a very good player and we're gonna regret trading a big. When we lose Hill and Lee, just what exactly will we have up front? Are we banking on Eddie Curry playing next year or Danilo or Chandler playing PF in the future? Essentially our entire PF/C rotation will have dissapeared after this year.

if the plan is all in for Lebron & Wade this summer, why not trade D Lee now too while we're at it & get some assets back for the ones we just threw away in this trade? right now we better damn well get Lebron & Wade/Bosh/Amare to sign here this summer cuz if we don't we're royally fugged.

TMS wrote:

VDesai wrote:Well. Who knows. Maybe we'll get good enough that swapping first rounders would we'd get a better pick, and the 2010 first rounders is something in the late 20's.

Either way I don't love it. I think its giving up entirely too much to get someone to take on a contract that is bad, but is not so long term that is an albatross. My gut tells me Hill will be a very good player and we're gonna regret trading a big. When we lose Hill and Lee, just what exactly will we have up front? Are we banking on Eddie Curry playing next year or Danilo or Chandler playing PF in the future? Essentially our entire PF/C rotation will have dissapeared after this year.

if the plan is all in for Lebron & Wade this summer, why not trade D Lee now too while we're at it & get some assets back for the ones we just threw away in this trade? right now we better damn well get Lebron & Wade/Bosh/Amare to sign here this summer cuz if we don't we're royally fugged.

I don't disagree with you. Unless you're planning on re-signing David Lee than there is no point in not moving him. My guess is the Rockets gladly would've taken Lee back for McGrady. Lee is someone that would help them get over the hump and into the playoffs this year, as well as someone long term who they'd want the Bird Rights for, as he would look pretty good playing next to Yao.

djsunyc wrote:the marbury pick had protection too.

i really am starting to think that d'antoni messed up alot of stuff the past 2 seasons which in turn, screwed up walsh.

Heh... you just figured that out.

VDesai wrote:

TMS wrote:

VDesai wrote:Well. Who knows. Maybe we'll get good enough that swapping first rounders would we'd get a better pick, and the 2010 first rounders is something in the late 20's.

Either way I don't love it. I think its giving up entirely too much to get someone to take on a contract that is bad, but is not so long term that is an albatross. My gut tells me Hill will be a very good player and we're gonna regret trading a big. When we lose Hill and Lee, just what exactly will we have up front? Are we banking on Eddie Curry playing next year or Danilo or Chandler playing PF in the future? Essentially our entire PF/C rotation will have dissapeared after this year.

if the plan is all in for Lebron & Wade this summer, why not trade D Lee now too while we're at it & get some assets back for the ones we just threw away in this trade? right now we better damn well get Lebron & Wade/Bosh/Amare to sign here this summer cuz if we don't we're royally fugged.

I don't disagree with you. Unless you're planning on re-signing David Lee than there is no point in not moving him. My guess is the Rockets gladly would've taken Lee back for McGrady. Lee is someone that would help them get over the hump and into the playoffs this year, as well as someone long term who they'd want the Bird Rights for, as he would look pretty good playing next to Yao.

wouldn't u rather trade away D Lee in this T-Mac trade if we're not going to re-sign him anyway than to toss in Jordan Hill & a future pick?

The New York Knicks are finalizing a deal to acquire Houston Rockets forward Tracy McGrady, an NBA source told SI.com.
The framework of the deal involves sending McGrady to New York for forward Jared Jeffries, guard Larry Hughes and forward Jordan Hill. The Knicks and Rockets have agreed to swap 2011 first round picks and the Knicks will send the Rockets their first round pick in 2012.
The only outstanding issues involve protection for the draft picks.
The deal could be completed as early as tomorrow.

http://bit.ly/bIJU1B

djsunyc wrote:

Uptown wrote:

djsunyc wrote:the marbury pick had protection too.

i really am starting to think that d'antoni messed up alot of stuff the past 2 seasons which in turn, screwed up walsh.

Why the hell does everyone keep blaming MDa for this bum squad?! Seriously, I'm not the biggest MDa fan and will call him out if necessary, but this is getting beyond absurd. I remember when I started a thread awhile ago accusing Brown of forcing Isiah hand in some trades and people jumped down my thorast claiming that Brown isn't the GM./ Well MDa isn't the GM. And please explain what he screwed up on an already screwed up team?

d'antoni was behind the following:

- gallo drafting
- duhon signing
- marbury benching
- lack of pt for hill and douglas
- extensive jeffries pt
- nate dnp for december

that effected walsh's ability to make moves.

The first 3 of those things weren't really negatives. Ok, Duhon wasn't good but they needed a transitional PG and he signed for a short enough term where didn't hurt their flexibility at all. Gallo in the draft and ridding ourselves of Marbury was both positive in my eyes. The last 3 things (outside of Jefferies) are sort of a fluid situation at this point.

djsunyc wrote:

VDesai wrote:I wonder if the Knicks can work a buyout or maybe a small extension on Curry's contract that would reduce his cap number for 2010-2011. Maybe you tell him rip up that option, but give him 7 mil for a couple more years. Reduces that cap number 3-4 mil and he gets more guaranteed money for his lazy ass to collect. The reality is he's not getting any more than an MLE contract on the open market now after what has transpired over the last few years.

no - you suck it up for one more year. why have that contract albatross for a few more years?

Cause they may need the few million extra in savings to sign everyone they want.