oohah wrote:I know there is already a Tracy McGrady trade thread.

However, this point need to stand on its own.

Last season D'Antoni completely devalued Marbury who had a 23 MILLION DOLLAR EXPIRING CONTRACT! And Walsh seemed like he was not on board with that decision by the coach.

The argument was made on this site that nobody would want Marbury despite the fact that a 23 MILLION DOLLAR SALARY DUMP has worth to some team, somewhere, especially if the player can still play and fill a need for a desperate team, like when Jameer Nelson went down and the Magic needed a point guard, and they picked up Rafer Alston who just came of 18 court cases last summer.

Now this season, the Knicks are trying to trade for a guy who might not be able to play because his cartilage is destroyed similar to Allan Houston, a guy who has been banished by his own team, who has well documented personality issues, who has not been a winner, and why you ask? BECAUSE OF HIS HUGE EXPIRING CONTRACT.

The Knicks will have money to play with this summer. Great. But all I have seen since Walsh and D'Antoni took over, is a cavalcade of mismanagement, lack of communication, and ego trip games. In other words, more of the same. So I doubt their ability to make good use of their flexibility.

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So here the Knicks stand, on the cusp of trading for the same kind of player/situation they could not make use of last season. And I am tired of the rest of the league running a train on New York.

P.S. Tracy is a girl's name.

oohah

whats cavalcade mean?

oohah wrote:I know there is already a Tracy McGrady trade thread.

However, this point need to stand on its own.

Last season D'Antoni completely devalued Marbury who had a 23 MILLION DOLLAR EXPIRING CONTRACT! And Walsh seemed like he was not on board with that decision by the coach.

The argument was made on this site that nobody would want Marbury despite the fact that a 23 MILLION DOLLAR SALARY DUMP has worth to some team, somewhere, especially if the player can still play and fill a need for a desperate team, like when Jameer Nelson went down and the Magic needed a point guard, and they picked up Rafer Alston who just came of 18 court cases last summer.

Now this season, the Knicks are trying to trade for a guy who might not be able to play because his cartilage is destroyed similar to Allan Houston, a guy who has been banished by his own team, who has well documented personality issues, who has not been a winner, and why you ask? BECAUSE OF HIS HUGE EXPIRING CONTRACT.

The Knicks will have money to play with this summer. Great. But all I have seen since Walsh and D'Antoni took over, is a cavalcade of mismanagement, lack of communication, and ego trip games. In other words, more of the same. So I doubt their ability to make good use of their flexibility.

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So here the Knicks stand, on the cusp of trading for the same kind of player/situation they could not make use of last season. And I am tired of the rest of the league running a train on New York.

P.S. Tracy is a girl's name.

oohah

Why you are against girls on the Knicks roster?
This will be refreshing to have after vasilin eaters.
And I have a question - which first round picks worked for us in the past???
What is the probability of them work for us in the future - like 10%?

iSergio wrote:I don't have any expectations of Tracy McGrady as a player. I'm only interested in his expiring contract. I can't believe some here actually talk about resigning him. Chances are he'll be another Penny Hardaway.

No way we resign him next year.

oohah wrote:I know there is already a Tracy McGrady trade thread.

However, this point need to stand on its own.

Last season D'Antoni completely devalued Marbury who had a 23 MILLION DOLLAR EXPIRING CONTRACT! And Walsh seemed like he was not on board with that decision by the coach.

The argument was made on this site that nobody would want Marbury despite the fact that a 23 MILLION DOLLAR SALARY DUMP has worth to some team, somewhere, especially if the player can still play and fill a need for a desperate team, like when Jameer Nelson went down and the Magic needed a point guard, and they picked up Rafer Alston who just came of 18 court cases last summer.

Now this season, the Knicks are trying to trade for a guy who might not be able to play because his cartilage is destroyed similar to Allan Houston, a guy who has been banished by his own team, who has well documented personality issues, who has not been a winner, and why you ask? BECAUSE OF HIS HUGE EXPIRING CONTRACT.

The Knicks will have money to play with this summer. Great. But all I have seen since Walsh and D'Antoni took over, is a cavalcade of mismanagement, lack of communication, and ego trip games. In other words, more of the same. So I doubt their ability to make good use of their flexibility.

***

So here the Knicks stand, on the cusp of trading for the same kind of player/situation they could not make use of last season. And I am tired of the rest of the league running a train on New York.

P.S. Tracy is a girl's name.

oohah

Dead on oohah--there seems to be a total disconnect between the fragmented management ownership and coaches. I still would love to know what genius picked TD over Blair spent 3mm 3 MILLION to have a 23 year old 5th year senior 6-0 SG destined to go round 2 sit on the bench as a PG project?

crzymdups wrote:marbury had zero value around the league. everyone knew he was a head case.

the knicks would not have been able to take back contracts that ran past 2010 - that made moving him even more complicated.

You guys still don't get it. It is not whether to make the trade or not.

YES, we need to make the trade. However:

Houston also needs desperately to make this trade!!! or they lose TMac and get Absolutely Nothing in return!!!

Botom Line: We don't need to give up so much in order for this trade to happen!!!!

alau53 wrote:oohah is dead on..giving up hill, a 2012 first rounder, and exchanging 2011 draft picks makes me think isaih thomas is still in the building..notice how houston thinks the knicks will stink in 2011 as they want to exchange draft picks..maybe walsh knows that by making this trade the knicks will sign wade AND lebron..otherwise this trade makes no sense..

how is he dead on and the other posters aren't? no one seems to be supporting the trade and giving up all those assests. I think they dissagreed with the other part of his post, dealing with how marbury was treated or used and the so called connection with the possible Mcgrady trade...

Knickss208 wrote:You are a moron.

Uh, hello? Can we try to act like adults here?

TheGame wrote:I think Walsh tried to get something for Marbury, but Marbury is such a nut-case that the entire league knew he would be cut, so why trade for him. If we give up Hill just to get rid of Jeffries, I am going to be highly concerned. THat is an all-in type move. Either we get Lebron and Bosh or at least Bosh and JOhnson or else we just gave away a solid PF prospect for nothing.

D'Antoni's handling of Marbury made him untradeable. Marbury went thru training camp and was planning on playing. Walsh planned on Marbury being an asset. That being said, the market for a contract like Marbury's going into this offseason is much better.

Andrew wrote:

Knickss208 wrote:You are a moron.

Uh, hello? Can we try to act like adults here?

Seriously?

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TheGame wrote:I think Walsh tried to get something for Marbury, but Marbury is such a nut-case that the entire league knew he would be cut, so why trade for him. If we give up Hill just to get rid of Jeffries, I am going to be highly concerned. THat is an all-in type move. Either we get Lebron and Bosh or at least Bosh and JOhnson or else we just gave away a solid PF prospect for nothing.

D'Antoni's handling of Marbury made him untradeable. Marbury went thru training camp and was planning on playing. Walsh planned on Marbury being an asset. That being said, the market for a contract like Marbury's going into this offseason is much better.

Marbury's handling of MSG interns made him untradeable. Marbury's handling of his own sanity made him untradeable.

Man, some of you guys have short memories. This dude ate vaseline and cried and danced and acted like a maniac. NO responsible GM would assume a contract that paid that dude $20M+ even for one season. it would be career suicide.

I have to disagree. Ruben Patterson is not a good guy and has done some awful things. His talent kept him in the league despite all of that. Marbury had alot more talent and his problems were no where near as heinous.

Marbury didn't commit crimes... he was losing his grip on reality and everyone saw it. The PG is a position of leadership - you can't have a guy like that leading your offense, even off the bench.

I say he never would have been traded. I don't buy it for a second. To me the major difference is that people covet cap room in the summer of 2010 and not as many teams coveted it in 2009 because there were fewer options. Detroit had max cap room and then some and they wasted it on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villenueva - two good players, but good players who are way overpaid. Cap space is 2010 is worth its weight in gold to certain teams, particularly NY. I don't think you could say that about ANY team in 2009.