Pharzeone wrote:I will say this amount Donnie. He has painted himself in a corner if he makes this deal. He can't even talk about 2011 if he strikes out in 2010 because JJ would be coming off the books in 2011, so basically he just threw away those picks and Hill for nothing. So now it looks as though that they will be signing bodies in 2010 no matter what. I think we can all agree on that. So the mantra Lebron or bust is appropriate.

currently, the knicks have $$$'s to sign 1 max FA.

this would essentially be lee + hill + 2 #1's for the 2nd guy.

if it's not any combo of lbj/wade/jj then it's a fail since many here feel lee at $10 is a better price than bosh/amare.

sebstar wrote:The pick was pretty much a wasted one.

if it is, then d'antoni had alot to do with that.

If he is the piece that lets us trade JJ AND resign Lee AND add another bigtime FA AND we able to do all that then I could care less. Walsh is set on this course, now its up to him to execute it. There are a lot of good players this summer not named Lebron. If he picks up 2 of the lesser ones and resigns Lee I have to say I will be a pretty solid rebuild with room to grow.

If we dont get Lebron I would expect a lineup like
pg Joe Johnson
sg Chandler
sf Gallo
pf Amare
c Lee

I'm not going to cry about losig Jordan Hill in a salary cap trade. This is the trade that leads to the player later. If our backcourt next year is Lebron and Joe Johnson I'm not caring about what kind of 'value' Walsh got in the McGrady trade. He's making his space... its up to him to execute.

Is this any different than having a firesale and tanking in hopes a high draft pick? A player you can build around? I see this as exactly the same.

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/nykchipre100216.html

"They want to finish out the year right," D'Antoni said after Monday's 
practice at the team's training facility. "My biggest thing now is to make 
sure Gallo and Wilson keep improving and to get a really good look at Jordan 
and Toney. And from there try to help the rest of the guys either here or 
wherever they go."

dunno if he's just blowing smoke but it sounds like he doesn't think hill is going anywhere.

nyk4ever wrote:interesting quote from d'antoni today from nba.com

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/nykchipre100216.html

"They want to finish out the year right," D'Antoni said after Monday's 
practice at the team's training facility. "My biggest thing now is to make 
sure Gallo and Wilson keep improving and to get a really good look at Jordan 
and Toney. And from there try to help the rest of the guys either here or 
wherever they go."

dunno if he's just blowing smoke but it sounds like he doesn't think hill is going anywhere.

AMEN. Please play Toney and Hill and let's see if they can actually play if given more responsibility.

TheGame wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:interesting quote from d'antoni today from nba.com

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/nykchipre100216.html

"They want to finish out the year right," D'Antoni said after Monday's 
practice at the team's training facility. "My biggest thing now is to make 
sure Gallo and Wilson keep improving and to get a really good look at Jordan 
and Toney. And from there try to help the rest of the guys either here or 
wherever they go."

dunno if he's just blowing smoke but it sounds like he doesn't think hill is going anywhere.

AMEN. Please play Toney and Hill and let's see if they can actually play if given more responsibility.

i'll believe it when i see it... otherwise it's just more of his usual shpiel

sebstar wrote:

TMS wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:Didn't you get the memo, TMS. None of that matters now. Donnie wants to trade him so it's time to trash JHill. No matter how he was built up to excuse not getting a point guard. That was so last week. He's a bum now. He can't get minutes on this great team. Guys in the 2012 draft class, bums. Guys coming out next year, who cares. The plan is intact. This was the last piece for Lebron's needs. Getting rid of JHill and those future picks ensures it.

i have been high on Jordan Hill in the weeks leading up to the draft & nothing has changed my mind about him... the assumption that he's a busted pick simply because we're willing to trade him now is so flawed it's not even worth addressing... i guess that made Jermaine O'Neal a bust too since the Blazers traded him away before he ever got a real chance... or Kobe Bryant was a bust since the Hornets traded away his draft rights... gimme a break.

Those were completely different situations, bro. The Blazers were priming themselves for a championship run so they were looking for a veteran presence. Bad trade, but their mindset was different. Kobe refused to play for Charlotte. They had no choice.

Hill has largely looked awful in the limited minutes he's received, and he cant even get burn on an awful team and is behind Jared Jeffries on the depth chart. Ok, we're trying to pump up JJ's trade value, then how do you explain signing a completely broken down Bender when we have Hill sitting right there on the bench?

Again, do you see us making this deal if we had Brandon Jennings? Thats my point. The pick was pretty much a wasted one.

absolutely not, i agree w/u, there's no way we'd be talking this nonsense if we had picked Brandon Jennings... i'm not disagreeing w/u at all that Jennings has proven to be a better looking rookie prospect this season... but there were red flags around him that caused him not to be picked & i have a big suspicion MDA never wanted a PG like him to run this offense from the beginning.

that said, the way u guys around here have turned on Jordan Hill in the blink of an eye now all of a sudden he's a scrub & a bust & this is proof of it is assinine IMO, no offense bro... a week ago he looked promising & he just needed to get playing time to show what he could do... today we have the same guys talkin nonsense like we should toss him into a deal as a fillin on a hope & a prayer that Lebron & Wade are both going to sign here this summer... it's crazyness.

djsunyc wrote:if any poster made up this deal as recent as this past saturday, what would all of you say?

dude if someone had proposed a trade of this nature 2 days ago he would have gotten lambasted on these forums... now all of a sudden because reports have it that we're actually considering this ridiculous trade, people are on board with it... the sycophants have come home to roost.

i got no problems giving up a future pick to dump Fishlips' deal, but to give up on a #8 lottery pick who every NBA scout & mock draft had projected as a top 5 prospect just a few months ago is crazyiness to me... & to top that off the swap rights to the 2011 pick when we just lost our 2010 pick because we were dumb enough to include that in the Marbury trade! i swear u can't even dream up some of these ridiculous scenarios.