nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

TMS wrote:MDA's rotations haven't made sense all year... he's messing around like the Knicks are a toy chest, he gets tired of one toy he throws it back into the toy chest & grabs another one to play with.

well when the team has like 3 good players, what else do you expect? it was the same when larry brown was here.. we don't have any good players.

More important is the lack of a LEAD player. Heck even the Sixers have a clear lead guy in Iggy. We can't say that about any of the guys on this team. It really shows in the close games in the 4th when we just can't get those final plays. The other team has some focus and we often look confused and guys don't want to take that last shot or the wrong guy does.

Like it or not Harrington was playing a leading role in that stretch...He was instrumental with vet play offensively that keyed victories...I don't think MDA was happy with that...I think he wanted to steer the team away from Harrington...Al and DLee were the two most consistent players...When Harrington took a back seat...The team became too reliant on the DLee and the pick and roll...

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

TMS wrote:MDA's rotations haven't made sense all year... he's messing around like the Knicks are a toy chest, he gets tired of one toy he throws it back into the toy chest & grabs another one to play with.

well when the team has like 3 good players, what else do you expect? it was the same when larry brown was here.. we don't have any good players.

More important is the lack of a LEAD player. Heck even the Sixers have a clear lead guy in Iggy. We can't say that about any of the guys on this team. It really shows in the close games in the 4th when we just can't get those final plays. The other team has some focus and we often look confused and guys don't want to take that last shot or the wrong guy does.

Like it or not Harrington was playing a leading role in that stretch...He was instrumental with vet play offensively that keyed victories...I don't think MDA was happy with that...I think he wanted to steer the team away from Harrington...Al and DLee were the two most consistent players...When Harrington took a back seat...The team became too reliant on the DLee and the pick and roll...

I'm not sure your paying attention to Al, he is the worst guy to give the ball to in the clutch, the absolute worst. Remember that any play Al does good he will make 2 major idiotic plays that will cost you the game, and he's pretty consistant when it comes to that kinda senerio in the clutch, He's the guy that will score 35pts and turn the ball over with a 2pt lead in the final seconds, he's the guy the will have a and 1 to tie the game, then miss the FT to win the game, he's the guy that hangs on the rim after giving us the lead with a dunk, only to lose after a tech foul shot.

Al is a bench player that should never be in a close game with 2mins left..

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

TMS wrote:MDA's rotations haven't made sense all year... he's messing around like the Knicks are a toy chest, he gets tired of one toy he throws it back into the toy chest & grabs another one to play with.

well when the team has like 3 good players, what else do you expect? it was the same when larry brown was here.. we don't have any good players.

More important is the lack of a LEAD player. Heck even the Sixers have a clear lead guy in Iggy. We can't say that about any of the guys on this team. It really shows in the close games in the 4th when we just can't get those final plays. The other team has some focus and we often look confused and guys don't want to take that last shot or the wrong guy does.

Like it or not Harrington was playing a leading role in that stretch...He was instrumental with vet play offensively that keyed victories...I don't think MDA was happy with that...I think he wanted to steer the team away from Harrington...Al and DLee were the two most consistent players...When Harrington took a back seat...The team became too reliant on the DLee and the pick and roll...

I'm not sure your paying attention to Al, he is the worst guy to give the ball to in the clutch, the absolute worst. Remember that any play Al does good he will make 2 major idiotic plays that will cost you the game, and he's pretty consistant when it comes to that kinda senerio in the clutch, He's the guy that will score 35pts and turn the ball over with a 2pt lead in the final seconds, he's the guy the will have a and 1 to tie the game, then miss the FT to win the game, he's the guy that hangs on the rim after giving us the lead with a dunk, only to lose after a tech foul shot.

Al is a bench player that should never be in a close game with 2mins left..

Well without Harrington this team would not have known success in December...I think we are seeing that now...The perfect doesn't exist in the NBA...

He's also the reason we have not had success since..I'm not entirely blaming him, but I will hold him responsible for a large pct of loses, giving the minutes he plays..

IMO Duhon is the sole reason for our record, the other's have been inconsistant, but have done some good things night in and night out. duhon has not hit a big shot for the entire season, he has probably been instrumental in roughly 3 or 4 wins for us.

Al is in the same boat, but since he aleast rebounds and stays agressive, it's easier to over look his overall play

oohah wrote:

holfresh wrote:Not necessarily true about Harrington...He went from getting big minutes in December during the victories to breaking 20 mins a game once or twice in January...He also missed games in January...

I'm with you Holfresh. It's fashionable to disrespect Al Harrington on this board. But Harrington makes more big plays down the stretch than any player on the team. Sometimes he blows it too. At least he has the balls and the ability to make big shots, and put pressure on the other team's defense. He can shoot, drive, and post for that fallaway shot on the baseline. Meanwhile everybody is nuthugging on Gallinari who can shoot and that is about the end of it. When he misses it is another player's fault. This is what is known as a double-standard.

oohah

Harrington is easily our most skilled player...I don't understand why people hate the guy...Gallo gets his minutes...I'm not even sure if MDA does Gallo a disservice by giving him the starting slot...He should have earned it...Make him have to work hard for what he gets...Thats how u get better...It's makes u work harder in the offseason...But hey, it's not my team...

TMS wrote:Harrington is a good player... his style of play just doesn't fit w/what MDA wants to do here, which is to move the ball & get different people involved... i think a lot of the frustration directed at Al has to do w/the way the offense stagnates when he has the ball in his hands.

Which I'm not disputing...He, like Joe Johnson, holds the ball too long...But that said, the Knicks had another legit scorer other than DLee...He put pressure on the other team...We were going stretches in January where it was the pick and roll every time down court...Also, when he got mins the Knicks won...When his mins were cut, the Knicks didnt have a diversified offense..

The overall factor is that December was an aberration...Clearly we weren't that good...I think Harrington makes us more competitive...

oohah wrote:

holfresh wrote:Not necessarily true about Harrington...He went from getting big minutes in December during the victories to breaking 20 mins a game once or twice in January...He also missed games in January...

I'm with you Holfresh. It's fashionable to disrespect Al Harrington on this board. But Harrington makes more big plays down the stretch than any player on the team. Sometimes he blows it too. At least he has the balls and the ability to make big shots, and put pressure on the other team's defense. He can shoot, drive, and post for that fallaway shot on the baseline. Meanwhile everybody is nuthugging on Gallinari who can shoot and that is about the end of it. When he misses it is another player's fault. This is what is known as a double-standard.

oohah

Oohah my man – c’mon, you’re getting so wrapped up in gallo. I have issues with him too, but we gotta hope like hell he develops. We’re in a s**thole as a franchise right now, all we got is the future of gallo, chandler, douglas and hill, and some unspecified cap space. we gotta hope and root hard that these guys all turn into something special or we’re f’d.

TMS wrote:that's what i'm afraid of... Dolan is going to mandate that we make the playoffs next year at all costs, i'm almost sure of it... that means if we can't land Lebron we might end up settling for second rate starphuchs in the same vain attempts at winning as in years past... it's like a freakin' wash, rinse & repeat cycle nightmare.

Dolan is gonna be going after playoffs no matter what. He only agreed to this course of action cuz of the chance to get Lebron. He's never going to change. He's a straight up business man and the bottom line is all he cares about. Playoffs is good business. He would take a guarantee of 10 yrs of playoffs over a risky shot to be a champion. You can buy a playoff team to some extent. It's real hard to guarantee a champion tho.

BRIGGS wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:You gotta be kidding me. Yeah, Hughes and Douglas could have saved our season.

Douglas was taken out of the lineup because he's too small to play in the zone and can't play PG. The zone defense, keyed by Jeffries is what got us winning for a while and up to 9th in the East.

This team is god awful. D'Antoni can't do much about it.

I'm not killing Douglas--but who the H thought he was going to play PG and who bypassed Blair for him--which guy in management did this?

Still haven't moved on from this???? It's been 6 months

Marv wrote:
Oohah my man – c’mon, you’re getting so wrapped up in gallo. I have issues with him too, but we gotta hope like hell he develops. We’re in a s**thole as a franchise right now, all we got is the future of gallo, chandler, douglas and hill, and some unspecified cap space. we gotta hope and root hard that these guys all turn into something special or we’re f’d.

My point here is not really about Gallinari, but making Harrington the goat when he has probably been the most consistent player after David Lee, and the best go to offensive player down the stretch.

As for the future...none of the young guys really get me going. My issue is not with Gallinari, but with all this lunacy I read about how great he is and how everybody else is hurting him and stopping him from achieving greatness. I like the kid, but right now I see him as a 6'11" Steve Kerr. That may be D'Antoni's fault, I have to assume that the coach is not telling him to play anywhere near the basket.

oohah