93BUICK wrote:

Panos wrote:

sebstar wrote:
Is hubris self-negating?

Ask Achilles.

Still angry at the Trojans?

I hate Trojans.

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

sebstar wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:
I knew he was that good.

Do winners ever really describe themselves as winners?
Do classy people ever really describe themselves as classy?

How many girls are really hot without makeup?
Will the world end in 2012?

Is hubris self-negating?

Watch this kid in the future--Elliot Williams--he's going to be better than Wall. He can play PG @ 6-4 and he can shoot--you dont need to win the lottery to get him.

so far u have said some guy named Bremmer (was that his name?) & now Elliot Williams will be better than John Wall... every scout out there says John Wall is the truth & have him going #1 in this draft... Roy Williams says he's the best PG prospect to enter college since Jason Kidd... haven't heard these things being said about the guys you're propping except on this forum.

I dont think we are picking one nor do I think John Wall will be the best player in this draft even if he is 1. Id rather concentrate on guys we *may* have a shot at who I actually think will be really good players--I think you are referring to Jimmer Freddette. A guy like Freddette isnt going to get the props--but lets see what he does in the pros. John Wall should be a good player but I would take a guy like Stephon Curry over him--let alone Tyreke Evans.

I liked Larry Sanders, Brackins and Terrico White coming into this college season. I'm only one for three on those so far too. We'll see.

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:Cousins is a man child but still needs development... Wall is a ready made star, he's this year's Tyreke Evans

well if he is this years tyreke evans, then he should be there around pick #4... I think he is more like Derrick rose. The reason why these guys get so much hype is because of their athletic ability.. If tyreke evans had a vertical, and was an explosive run/jump athlete, he goes #1 no questions asked.. but because evans was not really an above the rim player, he didn't get as hyped it seems.. This seems to happen all of the time, they forget that tyreke has size and can get to the hoop when he wants.. Ah, the wondef or youtube mix tapes...

i'm talking hindsight Evans... if people knew Evans would be this good he would have been taken #1... i'm not basing my opinion of Wall on YouTube clips, i've watched him in several games this season.

wasn't necessarily talking about you in that instance.. Just people in general... the thing is, no one knows how good a player is going to be, so they project out based on ability? right? that is why I say guys like tyreke will always slip in the draft and guys like rose and wall will always go higher, because of that shock and awe factor.. Honestly, I wonder if wall will be any better than rose or mayo... both of which have shown they can really play at a high level...

i think u have a valid point... people always draft based on hype & explosive athleticism, it's true... but i've seen some real skills in John Wall's game... he's not just hops & fancy dunks... he's a lot more... the game they played vs. UNC he was really leading the team & they built up a nice lead at halftime... then he had to be taken out of the game cuz of cramps for a long stretch in the 2nd half & the Wildcats looked completely lost the rest of the game & their offense stagnated while UNC made a spirited comeback... Wall eventually came back into that game & they were able to stave off the onslaught & win a tight game in the closing seconds... after the game Roy Williams called Wall the best looking PG prospect to come out of HS since J Kidd... that's pretty damn high praise from a coaching legend.

"I recruited Jason Kidd after the '91 Final Four, so that's [18-19 years]," Williams said. "He's 6-4, he's got blazing speed and he's going to be a vicious defender. He will start stealing the ball two or three times a game. His biggest weakness is his outside shot. What's the easiest thing to change? Your outside shot."

The Tar Heels snuck out to a 9-2 advantage before Wall silenced the run with a dunk and a reserve-scoop layup to propel the Wildcats on a 28-2 run to take control in the first half.

"He's so athletic," Williams said. "I just think he has a sense of when to push it and he thinks like a point guard. He knows when to slow it down, to get them into a set. He's the best point guard since Jason."

good points, but that is roy williams being nice and politically correct. I remember well, staying up late at night watching kidd and lamond Murry play at cal.. when I watched kid, there was no doubt I was watching a great PG, A floor general with the ball, a wizard... watching wall, I am not sure what he really is. Look at all of his highlights, and they are of him scoring or dunking.. watch hightlights of guys like kid and rubio and all they are doing is passing..... maybe I will be wrong, but I see wall in the same mold as mayo and rose...and that isn't bad, just not worthy of all the hype....

CrushAlot wrote:Wall beasting again. Its amazing that some bad teams improve themselves thru the draft. Won't be an option for a long time for the Knicks.

What? You didnt know we are getting Lebron, Bosh, and Wade this summer.

Expect Chandler, Lee, and 6 unprotected picks to be traded to move Curry. We going innnn.

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Wall beasting again. Its amazing that some bad teams improve themselves thru the draft. Won't be an option for a long time for the Knicks.

What? You didnt know we are getting Lebron, Bosh, and Wade this summer.

Expect Chandler, Lee, and 6 unprotected picks to be traded to move Curry. We going innnn.

hey, at least we'll still have Gallo to form the nucleus with Lebron, Bosh & Melo in 2011!

Lee has veto power. We are going to have to swap Gallo with Lee. Sorry.

BRIGGS wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:Wall is nice and all...but frankly I'd take Evan Turner assuming both are available.. And also would favor Favors over Cousins.

Demarcus Cousins is the most dominating player in college basketball. I don't think second place is very close. He forces a double and triple team every time down the court and he is a tough low post defender. Kentucky has two of the best players in college basketball--you usually don't see that--I can easily see both guys going in the top 3. I think I read somewhere that Cousins had the best PER in the last 8 years.