Cosmic wrote:Who said we were trading for TMac with the intent of signing him long term and making him our franchise building block?

Yeah, some journalist.

But, since it fits the argument of those who want Walsh and D'Antoni not just fired but hung in times square...I guess it's fact that that is our plan of action.

I could be wrong but I thought I read a quote from Walsh in a yahoo article where he said he was looking at McGrady for more than just the rest of this year.

It's PR fluff and nothing more.

Unless TMac wowed us with a new found health there's no way we'd re-sign him. And we all know the guy is a cripple so where's the worry here?

Walsh is a professional. He will not bad mouth players he is trying to trade or trying to acquire regardless of his intent with them or their contracts. That is a good GM.

And then, when he gets his trade done, then he does what he wants and there's nothing to be done about it.

Cosmic wrote:Walsh wants McGrady's huge expiring. It is his duty as a GM to pretend he covets the player so he can score the deal. If he said "Yeah I just want his contract I don't want him." then the player might say he's never going to go ahead with the deal (veto power or not there are players who were so against being traded that they weren't traded because the team taking them didn't want the headache of the player not reporting)

It's PR fluff and nothing more.

Unless TMac wowed us with a new found health there's no way we'd re-sign him. And we all know the guy is a cripple so where's the worry here?

Walsh is a professional. He will not bad mouth players he is trying to trade or trying to acquire regardless of his intent with them or their contracts. That is a good GM.

And then, when he gets his trade done, then he does what he wants and there's nothing to be done about it.

My man--it would be expiring for expiring[s]--doesn't matter how big or small they are they are all the same. I don't see your angle

BigSm00th wrote:this is comparable to the "Hillary clinton 100% she is the next president" thread in summer 2008. nothing is impossible briggy just improbable.

I think we wouldve been better off.

Cosmic wrote:Walsh wants McGrady's huge expiring. It is his duty as a GM to pretend he covets the player so he can score the deal. If he said "Yeah I just want his contract I don't want him." then the player might say he's never going to go ahead with the deal (veto power or not there are players who were so against being traded that they weren't traded because the team taking them didn't want the headache of the player not reporting)

It's PR fluff and nothing more.

Unless TMac wowed us with a new found health there's no way we'd re-sign him. And we all know the guy is a cripple so where's the worry here?

Walsh is a professional. He will not bad mouth players he is trying to trade or trying to acquire regardless of his intent with them or their contracts. That is a good GM.

And then, when he gets his trade done, then he does what he wants and there's nothing to be done about it.

Markji wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

Cosmic wrote:Walsh wants McGrady's huge expiring. It is his duty as a GM to pretend he covets the player so he can score the deal. If he said "Yeah I just want his contract I don't want him." then the player might say he's never going to go ahead with the deal (veto power or not there are players who were so against being traded that they weren't traded because the team taking them didn't want the headache of the player not reporting)

It's PR fluff and nothing more.

Unless TMac wowed us with a new found health there's no way we'd re-sign him. And we all know the guy is a cripple so where's the worry here?

Walsh is a professional. He will not bad mouth players he is trying to trade or trying to acquire regardless of his intent with them or their contracts. That is a good GM.

And then, when he gets his trade done, then he does what he wants and there's nothing to be done about it.

??? But the Rockets already indicated that they are not taking back salary. So... what's the point? NY is trying to find another team to find another expiring that could go along with Al's because McGrady is making an insane about of money. Al and Larry doesn't work for the Rockets. So basically he is looking to trade expiring contracts.

But they are/were interested in Caron Butler who has a contract through next season. So I think for the right player, they would take back salary.

I know it doesn't need to be said but...
Caron Butler >>>> Jefrries

If guys are going to throw you worthy talent you don't mind taking on that salary.

BRIGGS wrote:

Cosmic wrote:Walsh wants McGrady's huge expiring. It is his duty as a GM to pretend he covets the player so he can score the deal. If he said "Yeah I just want his contract I don't want him." then the player might say he's never going to go ahead with the deal (veto power or not there are players who were so against being traded that they weren't traded because the team taking them didn't want the headache of the player not reporting)

It's PR fluff and nothing more.

Unless TMac wowed us with a new found health there's no way we'd re-sign him. And we all know the guy is a cripple so where's the worry here?

Walsh is a professional. He will not bad mouth players he is trying to trade or trying to acquire regardless of his intent with them or their contracts. That is a good GM.

And then, when he gets his trade done, then he does what he wants and there's nothing to be done about it.

My man--it would be expiring for expiring[s]--doesn't matter how big or small they are they are all the same. I don't see your angle

BRIGGS, there is indeed a chance what we end up doing is renting TMac and seeing how he does.

Just how we traded QBrick for Darko. Just like we traded Malik for Wilcox.

We could easily trade Hughes and Mobley for TMac.

And then Walsh sits and watches how TMac plays. Like a trial period.

This can absolutely happen. I would hope any trade we make for that crippled idiot would include Jeffries contract getting booted though. Otherwise I wouldn't bother. TMAc is trash. Even in his prime his teams sucked because he plays like such a selfish arrogant moron.

Cosmic wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

Cosmic wrote:Walsh wants McGrady's huge expiring. It is his duty as a GM to pretend he covets the player so he can score the deal. If he said "Yeah I just want his contract I don't want him." then the player might say he's never going to go ahead with the deal (veto power or not there are players who were so against being traded that they weren't traded because the team taking them didn't want the headache of the player not reporting)

It's PR fluff and nothing more.

Unless TMac wowed us with a new found health there's no way we'd re-sign him. And we all know the guy is a cripple so where's the worry here?

Walsh is a professional. He will not bad mouth players he is trying to trade or trying to acquire regardless of his intent with them or their contracts. That is a good GM.

And then, when he gets his trade done, then he does what he wants and there's nothing to be done about it.

??? But the Rockets already indicated that they are not taking back salary. So... what's the point? NY is trying to find another team to find another expiring that could go along with Al's because McGrady is making an insane about of money. Al and Larry doesn't work for the Rockets. So basically he is looking to trade expiring contracts.

Actually they have stated they would take back salary if the deal made sense.

Now, I wouldn't do this, but if our deal was Mobley's insured contract, Chandler, Gallo, Hill, Jeffries for TMac you can damn well they'd take Jeffrie's contract in the trade.

So they are indeed open to it.

They also know there is no way they get talent back for broken down TMac but on their side they are doing their job as a team trying to sell high. It doesn't mean they expect to get back Dwight Howard and 3 first round draft picks you know? It's just them doing their job as a team to get as much as they can. In the end if they do trade TMac it won't be for much. Heck, we even turned down giving them Jordan Hill. So you see where that is.

But why are we including guys that Walsh doesn't want to include in the trade for scenarios? We are talking about Al and Jeffries. And the Rockets want no part of Jeffries' contract. The polite thing is tell Donnie, no we don't want to take back that type of contract. Impolite thing but maybe necessary to hammer it home, GTFO! Either way, you think someone at MSG would get the point.

BRIGGS wrote:I really do not see how LBJ would leave the best team in the NBA anyway--but if they actually enhance the team with a PF superstar---0/100 to NY.

I don't have much amore for Amare. What if they get him and the team does no better or their chemistry is messed up in some way. He seems to be putting up nice numbers recently (making an impression at the trade deadline??), but his season stats are not superstar quality- not worth the $$ he is getting this year, or the $17M+ he will get next year. His rebounding is not spectacular, he has never been known as a defensive stalwart, and as a PF passer, he makes Zach Randolph look like Steve Nash.

Hell- what he ends up doing for the Cavs might actually help us get Lebron.

Cosmic wrote:Pretty sure I started a topic about this weeks ago...and my feeling is the same: If they get Amare and he performs they can re-sign him and re-sign LeBron regardless of the cap situation because they own bird rights on both players.

So it would be interesting to see what happens there.

As to BRIGGS wanting to contract the Knicks franchise if this happens - jeez man give it up already - with or without LeBron we're going to be able to build a new team the proper way and it will have a chance to be a whole lot better than any of the trash we've witnessed these past 8 or 9 seasons.

Papabear Says

We've been saying this for over 35 years and we are still falling short

Paladin55 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I really do not see how LBJ would leave the best team in the NBA anyway--but if they actually enhance the team with a PF superstar---0/100 to NY.

I don't have much amore for Amare. What if they get him and the team does no better or their chemistry is messed up in some way. He seems to be putting up nice numbers recently (making an impression at the trade deadline??), but his season stats are not superstar quality- not worth the $$ he is getting this year, or the $17M+ he will get next year. His rebounding is not spectacular, he has never been known as a defensive stalwart, and as a PF passer, he makes Zach Randolph look like Steve Nash.

Hell- what he ends up doing for the Cavs might actually help us get Lebron.

Were not getting Lebron James--we sck--thats the reality. Why in the world would he go to a shtty team? Seems like LBJ was able to handpick Amare--sounds like Cleveland is letting him run the show--a place where he is loved--exactly what is in NY? Thats right a team that loses to crppy teams at home. We wasted tow years trying to improve the team for this????? Why don't the Knicks go pass over Dejuan Blair one of 8 PGs and Brook Lopez again. Than we can make believe that they wouldnt get time here because the coach wants 4 Jared Jefferies and T mac playing PG. We had a chance to make this team good and we fcked it up for the 20th time in 10 years.