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BasketballJones
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2/11/2010  11:14 PM
Marv wrote:Decay is inherent in all compounded things.

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2/12/2010  12:04 AM
D.Lee asking price just went up
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2/12/2010  12:34 AM
Marv wrote:Decay is inherent in all compounded things.

Spoken lightly as the bong water bubbles........
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2/12/2010  3:12 AM
BasketballJones wrote:
Marv wrote:Decay is inherent in all compounded things.

Heavy.

I hope that you understand this basic truth, grasshopper.

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2/12/2010  3:42 AM
Good for Lee man. He definitely deserves to be there. Should've made it right from the get-go. Iverson didn't deserve that honor.. Maybe AI realized it and just withdrew - I don't think he's hurt...
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2/12/2010  7:17 AM
Good for Lee. He deserves it. I had a feeling he'd be either a coaches vote in (slim chance) or an injury replacement (good chance).

So we got the trifecta of sorts. Three all-star weekend participants in Nate, Gallo, Lee.

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2/12/2010  7:32 AM
This is great for Lee and for us. We are finally well represented in all-star weekend and not only for the other contest, but finally because we have an all-star. This proves we are moving in the right direction as a franchise. Also, we should not consider Lee a replacement because he was the next player in and is replacing a player that shouldn't have been there in the first place. Iverson is not an all-star, Lee is. I also feel as if this won't raise his value come this summer, i think it is pretty well set. All in all, a very good situation for everyone involved, and i think we will see Lee make multiple all-star games, hopefully with us.
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2/12/2010  7:53 AM
Good point on the nature of the replacement. But every year players who don't deserve it still make it because of popularity.
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2/12/2010  7:55 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Or what about Chris Bosh? His defense is probably worse than Lees.

I was going to make a comment but I can see what you are talking about. Bosh glides on the court on some possessions.

Boshs defense is probably worse than Lees. Everytime I see him, I don't see him on the defense which says a lot. He's LONG and more athletic than Lee.

Nobody's defense is worse than David Lee's. I agree, Chris Bosh is also a bad defender but Lee is in a league by himself. I've never seen a worse player defensively in my life. Dead serious. Lee doesn't even attempt to play D. I know he's short and not long but he could at least use his fouls or learn how to take charges or learn how to deny the ball in the post. Not that it matters, he's an All-Star. Don't ever expect Lee to care about defense.
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2/12/2010  8:12 AM
iSergio wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Or what about Chris Bosh? His defense is probably worse than Lees.

I was going to make a comment but I can see what you are talking about. Bosh glides on the court on some possessions.

Boshs defense is probably worse than Lees. Everytime I see him, I don't see him on the defense which says a lot. He's LONG and more athletic than Lee.

Nobody's defense is worse than David Lee's. I agree, Chris Bosh is also a bad defender but Lee is in a league by himself. I've never seen a worse player defensively in my life. Dead serious. Lee doesn't even attempt to play D. I know he's short and not long but he could at least use his fouls or learn how to take charges or learn how to deny the ball in the post. Not that it matters, he's an All-Star. Don't ever expect Lee to care about defense.

That is a bunch of crap. Lee cares about defense and does try.
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2/12/2010  8:21 AM
Cosmic wrote:Good point on the nature of the replacement. But every year players who don't deserve it still make it because of popularity.

True, but i can't think of a player off the top of my head that deserved his starting bid less than iverson.
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2/12/2010  8:49 AM
Whats wrong with Iversons daughter?
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2/12/2010  10:40 AM
Well, this just means Lee will demand about 1-2 mill more than he already was going to demand. I like that Lee worked hard, but I honestly was hoping he did not make the Allstar team so his agent could not use that as a bargaining chip. Lee is going to demand about $14 million per season but will probably end up with about $11-$12 million a season. I doubt we could afford to pay Lee more than $10 million per season.
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2/12/2010  11:01 AM
TheGame wrote:Well, this just means Lee will demand about 1-2 mill more than he already was going to demand. I like that Lee worked hard, but I honestly was hoping he did not make the Allstar team so his agent could not use that as a bargaining chip. Lee is going to demand about $14 million per season but will probably end up with about $11-$12 million a season. I doubt we could afford to pay Lee more than $10 million per season.

thats why i brought up a thread on this topic a few weeks ago. lee making the all star is good for david, not necessarily for NY's future plans (if they include him in their plans beyond this year....).
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2/12/2010  2:21 PM
Wouldnt have been easier for the Knicks to offer 5 for 40 this summer and make Lee think. They didnt offer anything but a one year and it may cost them some money
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2/12/2010  2:26 PM
King1 wrote:Wouldnt have been easier for the Knicks to offer 5 for 40 this summer and make Lee think. They didnt offer anything but a one year and it may cost them some money

well now we'll see if all your talk of him loving the knicks is true or if he's just a spoiled brat won't we?
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2/12/2010  2:30 PM
King1 wrote:Wouldnt have been easier for the Knicks to offer 5 for 40 this summer and make Lee think. They didnt offer anything but a one year and it may cost them some money

i would say his value is in the $50-55 mil/5 year range to other teams.
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2/12/2010  2:50 PM
djsunyc wrote:
King1 wrote:Wouldnt have been easier for the Knicks to offer 5 for 40 this summer and make Lee think. They didnt offer anything but a one year and it may cost them some money

i would say his value is in the $50-55 mil/5 year range to other teams.

Sounds about right DJ but I bet Lee wouldn't take less than 5/60 (Wasn't that NeNe's extension? I think Lee knows that and would want that much at least.)

5/40 Lee isn't taking that. This is why we got him on an additional 1 year rental. Stay in line with 2010. Retain him so if we wanted we could still keep him. Not overpay.

What was Lee's deal this year? 7M base, 1M playoff incentive?

Given the fact that he's a 12M per year offense player and a ZERO M per year defense player. Is he really worth more than a 7M starting salary?

Only if you say "Oh, well, NeNe got 60M and Lee is way better."

But, just because another team screws up doesn't mean that should be what we pay our own players.

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2/12/2010  3:01 PM
^^^i think lots of players (and their agents) are gonna be surprised this coming year when they see offers for their players at about a 20-30% less clip than they expected. right now, the cajones of the players are sitting in the laps of the owners....
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2/12/2010  3:33 PM
Cosmic wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
King1 wrote:Wouldnt have been easier for the Knicks to offer 5 for 40 this summer and make Lee think. They didnt offer anything but a one year and it may cost them some money

i would say his value is in the $50-55 mil/5 year range to other teams.

Sounds about right DJ but I bet Lee wouldn't take less than 5/60 (Wasn't that NeNe's extension? I think Lee knows that and would want that much at least.)

5/40 Lee isn't taking that. This is why we got him on an additional 1 year rental. Stay in line with 2010. Retain him so if we wanted we could still keep him. Not overpay.

What was Lee's deal this year? 7M base, 1M playoff incentive?

Given the fact that he's a 12M per year offense player and a ZERO M per year defense player. Is he really worth more than a 7M starting salary?

Only if you say "Oh, well, NeNe got 60M and Lee is way better."

But, just because another team screws up doesn't mean that should be what we pay our own players.

isnt rebounding part of defense? Just asking. And if your going by that criteria Lee is more like a $18mm a year offensive player. 20/12 count the guys in this league that score 20 a game at 55%. 12 rebounds, handles the ball, is probably in the top 5 in PF/Cs in assists. Lee's production is in an elite status. Lee isnt a superstar or a max player, but put him next to one and he's one of the more valuable players in the league.

You wouldnt pay Scottie Pippen $15mm a year and build a team around him, but once you have Jordan you pay whatever it takes to get Pippen in. Lee is that kind of guy. If you can bring a guy like Lebron in here you need Lee in the worst way. A guy that doesnt need set plays or a certain # of shots, but gives you 20 a night at 55%? 12 boards? 3-4 assists? Handles the ball? If Lebron was here or another star nobody would give a flying fart what Lee was paid, so long as he was here. Same reason nobdy cared that LJ was one of the league's highest paid players to average 12/5.

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