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sebstar
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2/11/2010  2:22 PM
djsunyc wrote:
"We can't keep losing with no purpose," one member of the Knicks' brain trust said.

If team president Donnie Walsh does not win the Tracy McGrady sweepstakes at next Thursday's trade deadline or otherwise improve the roster, the Knicks could then start looking toward the future and forget their theory that making the playoffs will help draw LeBron James or another prominent free agent.

It's a bitter pill to concede the playoff race, especially because they do not have their lottery pick. The Knicks' first-rounder is owned by the Jazz, the last vestige of the Stephon Marbury trade.

"In theory you'd say let's do that [play the young players]," D'Antoni said Tuesday night. "But people's lives and careers are on the line. There's a motive to play the young guys more, or try to win games and worry about the other stuff when we have to."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/at_the_half_empty_hDyR9X8aCS45Ir2nbXK5lN#ixzz0fFwgoM6Y

Yeah, his life and career. He doesnt give a damn about the player's careers or damaged reps.

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2/11/2010  2:26 PM
sebstar wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
"We can't keep losing with no purpose," one member of the Knicks' brain trust said.

If team president Donnie Walsh does not win the Tracy McGrady sweepstakes at next Thursday's trade deadline or otherwise improve the roster, the Knicks could then start looking toward the future and forget their theory that making the playoffs will help draw LeBron James or another prominent free agent.

It's a bitter pill to concede the playoff race, especially because they do not have their lottery pick. The Knicks' first-rounder is owned by the Jazz, the last vestige of the Stephon Marbury trade.

"In theory you'd say let's do that [play the young players]," D'Antoni said Tuesday night. "But people's lives and careers are on the line. There's a motive to play the young guys more, or try to win games and worry about the other stuff when we have to."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/at_the_half_empty_hDyR9X8aCS45Ir2nbXK5lN#ixzz0fFwgoM6Y

Yeah, his life and career. He doesnt give a damn about the player's careers or damaged reps.

lookin more and more to me that d'amtoni's plan for the knicks is not = to what the fans have been screaming for...his words above almost make no sense. what is he saying w all that 'guys careers are on the line' ****??? these guys are very wealthy and should come hard EVERY night. he sounds like the mother who thinks he children did no wrong. this guy is showing more and more that he is only about himself.

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2/11/2010  2:26 PM
If Nate is that upset, he should accept a trade at the deadline to a playoff team.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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2/11/2010  2:29 PM
Nate, Al, Darko and Hughes =

Once again Duhon goes unscathed.

I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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2/11/2010  2:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2010  2:55 PM
Just as bad as the management is the arse kissing fans who wear rose-colored glasses. Everything is all right--this is the plan--were right on schedule. My man--we better get LBJ or the only schedule we are on is the same darn one. Just from my own point of view---I think that D Walsh and MDA were poor hires. We needed a GM who was young and up and coming with his own vision--I thought we could hire Calipari because he knows talent as good as anyone in the NBA and we needed a young coach who could implement a toughness and understanding of the game as we rebuilt the team. Was Mark Jackson that guy? I don't know but I do know that the guy we hired is not about rebuilding-- + seems to have relationship issues with players/management/not withstanding a few of his favorite guys.
So far--this whole gig gets a c- and it will drop to a D--- F+ if we dont get LBJ.

These guys tried to win--there was no rebuilding here--so if a fan uses that word--he /she hasnt really paid attention. Why in God's name would a rebuilding team try to acquire T Mac with 31 games remaining 13 games under and 7 out of the playoffs. The math is like 2% chance of making the playoffs now. If they wanted to do something--they shouldve done it when we were 2 games out. But they over rated the team and thought the status quo was more than good enough--guess what they were wrong.

Also--almost any trade we made--and or move we made was done at the low--we got nothing for our players other than capo room when down the line they proved to be worth much more than 0. We had no reason to rush anything. We pay up a premium but we get back 0.

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2/11/2010  3:02 PM
To think, the only real negative against hiring Avery Johnson's was his supposed poor relationships with his players.
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2/11/2010  3:11 PM
when has al harrington ever played in the post? he's taking the same amount of 3's per game he's taken his whole career. in fact, al is going to the line more this year than any other year in this career. sounds like sour grapes to me.

i mean, it's not really a surprise that chemistry isn't going to be great when most of the guys on this team are playing one year deals and they are all trying to get contracts for next year.

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2/11/2010  3:14 PM
Pharzeone wrote:Nate, Al, Darko and Hughes =

Once again Duhon goes unscathed.

We get this temp garbage dumped by other NBA team to get through the moutions of this stop-gap year.
They served their purpose and not needed any more.
This is just business and every player knows this.
Mike and Walsh are just 2 cold blooded man of this league and they will throw anybody and everybody under the bus to reach the goals they set for this team.
Are they right or wrong will be clear at the end.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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2/11/2010  3:23 PM

Briggs, what does a young and up and can do that an old man does when your owner wants to the path to clear cap and still develope some youths? What great opportunity have we blown and let go? Jennings vs. Hill? Let Rookies play 20 games sooner? Team was doing well in December.

Nate's play on the court is frustrating. Larry Hughes deserves no love on the court. Harrington might be a prima-Donna. So what have we done that only hind sight clarity can tell you?

Mark Jax? HOw the hell can you really say a guy like that who has not coached a day in his life gets that gig and you think its a good idea?

MDA might not be the right coach NOW but isn't the idea to constuct a team for a certain style of game and THEN add those players?

I don't get it.

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2/11/2010  4:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2010  4:44 PM

"Waaaaah! I want my Mommy! Coach is being mean to me."

- Al Harrington (crying about his damaged rep)

Here's an idea: Stop being a stat-padding dingbat and take care of the ball. Try passing to WIDE OPEN GALLO for a clean shot that will go in, instead of barreling into the lane to get a last second charge that loses the game.

nyk4ever wrote:when has al harrington ever played in the post? he's taking the same amount of 3's per game he's taken his whole career. in fact, al is going to the line more this year than any other year in this career. sounds like sour grapes to me.

i mean, it's not really a surprise that chemistry isn't going to be great when most of the guys on this team are playing one year deals and they are all trying to get contracts for next year.

Word. That's the real problem here. It's not Mike being mean to the children. It's a rebuilding fubar mess. But that's what it's going to take to get where we're headed. After this weekend, time to give max burn to Hill and TD.

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2/11/2010  4:45 PM
djsunyc wrote:
"We can't keep losing with no purpose," one member of the Knicks' brain trust said.

If team president Donnie Walsh does not win the Tracy McGrady sweepstakes at next Thursday's trade deadline or otherwise improve the roster, the Knicks could then start looking toward the future and forget their theory that making the playoffs will help draw LeBron James or another prominent free agent.

It's a bitter pill to concede the playoff race, especially because they do not have their lottery pick. The Knicks' first-rounder is owned by the Jazz, the last vestige of the Stephon Marbury trade.

"In theory you'd say let's do that [play the young players]," D'Antoni said Tuesday night. "But people's lives and careers are on the line. There's a motive to play the young guys more, or try to win games and worry about the other stuff when we have to."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/at_the_half_empty_hDyR9X8aCS45Ir2nbXK5lN#ixzz0fFwgoM6Y

i dont see how the bold is close to any logic... so any top line guy is gonna say: sweeeeet, the knicks made the playoffs!!! im gonna sign there to play with a bunch of guys who are no longer gonna be there!!!

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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2/11/2010  5:26 PM
I really do not understand.

The quote about guys careers, I took as him being sympathetic to the fact that all these expiring vets want another payday. He goes the whole rebuilding route, what type of contracts do these guys get if they are getting 5 spot minutes a night while our youth gets a major share of the minutes. I could be wrong but that is how I read it.

The whole thing with Al is PURE he said, he said stuff that has no supporting evidence. Al is still getting minutes, Pringles has not shown one ounce of animosity towards him on the court-as he is NOT afraid to show towards Nate.

All you guys jumping so blind on this bandwagon using an article with no supporting evidence, no direct OR indirect quoted from either party, and no real basis for it surprises me. Usually the sentiment on this board regarding rumor is the equivalent to the no blood no foul rule. No evidence no truth.

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2/11/2010  5:52 PM
Everyday another player is not coachable. Early in the season D'Antoni said Harrington was the leader on the team on his show. What is going on? The guy doesn't play the rookies all season and then says he is worried about the effect Al's attitude is having on them. How about the effect he has had on them this season when the Knicks despite losig 63% of their games were too good to play the rookies. D'Antoni has lost the locker room and the team. If you believe Berman some guys are openly disrespectful to him. I am beginning to resign myself to the fact that this regime, as long as D'Antoni is in place will never win anything. D'Antoni seems to need a Laydenesque roster to prevent drama and discontent in the locker room. Its too bad Eisley, Anderson, and Weatherspoon aren't available to run with Jeffries, Bender, and Duhon. One other thing. That show should be called The @ss clown hour. I don't watch it but sometimes stop on the channel and catch D'Antoni showing tape. I have never seen him once break down what another team is doing. Usually he is talking about variations on the high pick and roll with Lee and Duhon when I catch it.
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2/11/2010  6:02 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Everyday another player is not coachable. Early in the season D'Antoni said Harrington was the leader on the team on his show. What is going on? The guy doesn't play the rookies all season and then says he is worried about the effect Al's attitude is having on them. How about the effect he has had on them this season when the Knicks despite losig 63% of their games were too good to play the rookies. D'Antoni has lost the locker room and the team. If you believe Berman some guys are openly disrespectful to him. I am beginning to resign myself to the fact that this regime, as long as D'Antoni is in place will never win anything. D'Antoni seems to need a Laydenesque roster to prevent drama and discontent in the locker room. Its too bad Eisley, Anderson, and Weatherspoon aren't available to run with Jeffries, Bender, and Duhon. One other thing. That show should be called The @ss clown hour. I don't watch it but sometimes stop on the channel and catch D'Antoni showing tape. I have never seen him once break down what another team is doing. Usually he is talking about variations on the high pick and roll with Lee and Duhon when I catch it.

Yo money...that shyt had me dying for some reason. Had me up all up in work gigglin', folks looking at me like "huh"?

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2/11/2010  6:04 PM
joec32033 wrote:I really do not understand.

The quote about guys careers, I took as him being sympathetic to the fact that all these expiring vets want another payday. He goes the whole rebuilding route, what type of contracts do these guys get if they are getting 5 spot minutes a night while our youth gets a major share of the minutes. I could be wrong but that is how I read it.

The whole thing with Al is PURE he said, he said stuff that has no supporting evidence. Al is still getting minutes, Pringles has not shown one ounce of animosity towards him on the court-as he is NOT afraid to show towards Nate.

All you guys jumping so blind on this bandwagon using an article with no supporting evidence, no direct OR indirect quoted from either party, and no real basis for it surprises me. Usually the sentiment on this board regarding rumor is the equivalent to the no blood no foul rule. No evidence no truth.

Excellent post, only one in the thread that made complete sense Except you seem to have posted it twice

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2/11/2010  6:05 PM
OK, we get a coach that comes in with a stellar rep around the league from all the coaches and players love him. He get's here with a team loaded with castoffs that caused problems with their other teams, guys that have never won and yet some think it's D'Antoni that is the source of the problem? I get bashed for defending the guy, but really there's more positive things in his resume than negative. This is the kind of situation that has ruined coaches and we all know it.

We have a chance to have one of the better coaches in the league at the reigns when we finally bring in better talent and get rid of guys like Al, Hughes, Darko etc. Guys that have a LOSING mentality and don't understand team ball or leadership. It seems misplaced to get angry at a coach like MDA when we know that we have some players that coaches would consider problems. Look at the history of each person in the argument. Nate - grated against every coach we've had. Al - reports of issues with his effort on D and attitude from previous coaches. Hughes - same deal plus not really performing at a consistent level!!! Just go back and read the articles on these guys and see if you tend to trust the coach rather than the players in this case.

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2/11/2010  6:12 PM
nixluva wrote:OK, we get a coach that comes in with a stellar rep around the league from all the coaches and players love him. He get's here with a team loaded with castoffs that caused problems with their other teams, guys that have never won and yet some think it's D'Antoni that is the source of the problem? I get bashed for defending the guy, but really there's more positive things in his resume than negative. This is the kind of situation that has ruined coaches and we all know it.

We have a chance to have one of the better coaches in the league at the reigns when we finally bring in better talent and get rid of guys like Al, Hughes, Darko etc. Guys that have a LOSING mentality and don't understand team ball or leadership. It seems misplaced to get angry at a coach like MDA when we know that we have some players that coaches would consider problems. Look at the history of each person in the argument. Nate - grated against every coach we've had. Al - reports of issues with his effort on D and attitude from previous coaches. Hughes - same deal plus not really performing at a consistent level!!! Just go back and read the articles on these guys and see if you tend to trust the coach rather than the players in this case.

Not looking to start anything but doesn't MDA have a bad rep with other head coaches? I remember reading that he isn't popular among them. I think his biggest negative is communication which has haunted him for awhile. He does seem to have his favorites and treat them very well even in cases where they don't deserve it. I think the press is now focusing more on him because football season is over in this town and it is the near the end of year two. Yesterday was the first time that I heard him really getting beat up on the radio. Just listening to Francesa saying D'Antoni did a bad job this year. That was a first for him. Winning normally masks a lot of flaws while losing seems to expose them.

I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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2/11/2010  6:26 PM
this team simply cannot run a play when it needs one late in a game. i would rather have clearouts for al or nate than the usual nonsense leading to a rushed poor outside shot from someone else.

al has a tremendous low-post game. a lot of his drives end with him juking his guy down low. how many times are we wafting for gallo or chandler to do something which doesn't happen, or for a guard to get it down low to lee, which also can't seem to happen during crunchtime. sure, al gets out of control sometimes, but when i see him taking it at the hoop i feel a whole lot better than 90% of the other options this team has.

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2/11/2010  6:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2010  6:27 PM
I really liked how MDA tossed Nate under the bus yesterday for passing the ball after the lane closed while he was driving with 11 sec left on the clock...MDA said in the post game interview he didn't understand why Nate would pass the ball to Jared at that point...This guy doesn't like to point the finger..
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2/11/2010  7:24 PM
seems like the players that routinely get thrown under the bus by our coach for this team's failings are guys like Nate, Hughes & Al... meanwhile guys like D Lee & Duhon have been padding stats while playing absolutely no defense whatsoever all year long & they consistently get a pass from the head coach... MDA's penchant for playing favorites has a huge part to do with why this team has collapsed the way it did IMHO... last thing u want is for teammates to start resenting other teammates because of the kind of petty grade school BS that's been happening all year w/this team.
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