I agree with what you say.

Perhaps the problem is as a society we don't all evolve at the same time.

Maybe we throw around "racist" too fast when insted "Stupidity" is more in line with what this clown is about.

I suppose in an interview like Playboy they going to ask questions about dating and he was trying to be funny but it came off wrong. when in doubt, stfu!

ANd if he does not like black women, or is racist he is only relevant because of his music and the sales of it.

An elected official or mass media personality like Imus, or a Larry king were to go on stupid then they represent their comapny, who sells ad space the therefore represents thier sponsers and then its bye bye time. John Mayer sells John Mayer concert tix (my daughter likes him)and albums but if the crowds thin then he has no voice. Most of his fans I doubt care about his politics or his liberal use of the n-word in an article. And if he misplaced a Pakistani as "Kabul" then he can be called out as lazy and stupid unless there was malice intended.

Too much weed made him stupid.

jimimou wrote:i get that what mayer said is assonine. but let me pose this question - what is the difference btwn what he said and about 90% of rap lyrics calling white people honkie, cracker, etc.? is it ok for a black person to say that in a rap song, but not ok for mayer to talk like he thinks he's some kind of gangsta? what's the difference?

I dont really hear a lot of honky and crackers on records. Certainly not in interviews. You think if a cat like Snoop Dog was calling white people honkey and crackers in an interview, white people wouldnt have something to say about it?

That said, there are very mild double standards, when it comes to language, given the extremely brutality blacks have faced in this country. Lets not act as if whites themselves were enduring what blacks endured before the 1970s. Slavery, Lynching, Jim Crow, housing, job, educational, judicial discrimination...ext.

Given the currency of white privilege in this country, I think you guys have it pretty damn good...LOL.

And before you go on about how things have changed --- yes they have on a superficial level as there are laws in place that protect Blacks. But beneath the surface? Go on youtube and peep any video involving an African-American in any sort of negative light and you will see an immediate flood of racist remarks.

If given the opportunity to be racist, many whites will take that opportunity and run with it. And whites have so much power in this country they can act out that hatred in wide-sweeping ways, namely institutional racism designed to ruin African-American lives.

sebstar wrote:

jimimou wrote:i get that what mayer said is assonine. but let me pose this question - what is the difference btwn what he said and about 90% of rap lyrics calling white people honkie, cracker, etc.? is it ok for a black person to say that in a rap song, but not ok for mayer to talk like he thinks he's some kind of gangsta? what's the difference?

I dont really hear a lot of honky and crackers on records. Certainly not in interviews. You think if a cat like Snoop Dog was calling white people honkey and crackers in an interview, white people wouldnt have something to say about it?

That said, there are very mild double standards, when it comes to language, given the extremely brutality blacks have faced in this country. Lets not act as if whites themselves were enduring what blacks endured before the 1970s. Slavery, Lynching, Jim Crow, housing, job, educational, judicial discrimination...ext.

Given the currency of white privilege in this country, I think you guys have it pretty damn good...LOL.

And before you go on about how things have changed --- yes they have on a superficial level as there are laws in place that protect Blacks. But beneath the surface? Go on youtube and peep any video involving an African-American in any sort of negative light and you will see an immediate flood of racist remarks.

If given the opportunity to be racist, many whites will take that opportunity and run with it. And whites have so much power in this country they can act out that hatred in wide-sweeping ways, namely institutional racism designed to ruin African-American lives.

i hear ya, but you didnt answer my question. the anti-white references are out there in rap music - just b/c it doesnt hit your ipod doesnt mean its not out there. just curious to know thoughts on this b/c either way it's wrong in my opinion, no matter what.

jimimou wrote:

sebstar wrote:

jimimou wrote:i get that what mayer said is assonine. but let me pose this question - what is the difference btwn what he said and about 90% of rap lyrics calling white people honkie, cracker, etc.? is it ok for a black person to say that in a rap song, but not ok for mayer to talk like he thinks he's some kind of gangsta? what's the difference?

I dont really hear a lot of honky and crackers on records. Certainly not in interviews. You think if a cat like Snoop Dog was calling white people honkey and crackers in an interview, white people wouldnt have something to say about it?

That said, there are very mild double standards, when it comes to language, given the extremely brutality blacks have faced in this country. Lets not act as if whites themselves were enduring what blacks endured before the 1970s. Slavery, Lynching, Jim Crow, housing, job, educational, judicial discrimination...ext.

Given the currency of white privilege in this country, I think you guys have it pretty damn good...LOL.

And before you go on about how things have changed --- yes they have on a superficial level as there are laws in place that protect Blacks. But beneath the surface? Go on youtube and peep any video involving an African-American in any sort of negative light and you will see an immediate flood of racist remarks.

If given the opportunity to be racist, many whites will take that opportunity and run with it. And whites have so much power in this country they can act out that hatred in wide-sweeping ways, namely institutional racism designed to ruin African-American lives.

i hear ya, but you didnt answer my question. the anti-white references are out there in rap music - just b/c it doesnt hit your ipod doesnt mean its not out there. just curious to know thoughts on this b/c either way it's wrong in my opinion, no matter what.

To ask this question is to completely divorce yourself of history and the current reality of race relations in this country. You guys have so much privilege. Does it really hurt you that Blacks can hurl a few more racial insults than you?

eViL wrote:"in a room full of crackaz, i might cut the cheese" -- method man

explain that sebstar!!! WTF!?!? is this what you do at your black panther meetings? discuss farting on whites?

disclaimer: not trying to belittle anyone's opinions. just trying to add some comic relief. feeling comical today. hope i'm more clever-er than john mayer.

about that N-word. i hate it. don't use it, but, as a dude who drops many rhymes, i'm jealous of my black friends that get to use it. it's just an awesome two syllables that fill up a phrase so nicely sometimes. despite not using it, i still drop awesome rhymes, but yeah that's why i think it's still out there so much. i don't know. haven't done much research. just noticed it especially when dropping freestyles with my boys.

I'm just happy that you're able to use Method Man as an example for anything. I have truly raised you right and for that I will be forever proud.

sebstar wrote:

jimimou wrote:

sebstar wrote:

jimimou wrote:i get that what mayer said is assonine. but let me pose this question - what is the difference btwn what he said and about 90% of rap lyrics calling white people honkie, cracker, etc.? is it ok for a black person to say that in a rap song, but not ok for mayer to talk like he thinks he's some kind of gangsta? what's the difference?

I dont really hear a lot of honky and crackers on records. Certainly not in interviews. You think if a cat like Snoop Dog was calling white people honkey and crackers in an interview, white people wouldnt have something to say about it?

That said, there are very mild double standards, when it comes to language, given the extremely brutality blacks have faced in this country. Lets not act as if whites themselves were enduring what blacks endured before the 1970s. Slavery, Lynching, Jim Crow, housing, job, educational, judicial discrimination...ext.

Given the currency of white privilege in this country, I think you guys have it pretty damn good...LOL.

And before you go on about how things have changed --- yes they have on a superficial level as there are laws in place that protect Blacks. But beneath the surface? Go on youtube and peep any video involving an African-American in any sort of negative light and you will see an immediate flood of racist remarks.

If given the opportunity to be racist, many whites will take that opportunity and run with it. And whites have so much power in this country they can act out that hatred in wide-sweeping ways, namely institutional racism designed to ruin African-American lives.

i hear ya, but you didnt answer my question. the anti-white references are out there in rap music - just b/c it doesnt hit your ipod doesnt mean its not out there. just curious to know thoughts on this b/c either way it's wrong in my opinion, no matter what.

To ask this question is to completely divorce yourself of history and the current reality of race relations in this country. You guys have so much privilege. Does it really hurt you that Blacks can hurl a few more racial insults than you?

nah man - dont get it twisted like that. i'm not implying anything or divorcing myself from anything - just asking the queston. personally, it doesnt hurt me or bother me. i'm sure there's plenty of black-hate songs and artists out there also. your answer is interesting though - are you saying its ok for blanks to reference whites like this (or should be more tolerated) B/C of the history of abuse blacks have suffered from whites?

jimimou wrote:i get that what mayer said is assonine. but let me pose this question - what is the difference btwn what he said and about 90% of rap lyrics calling white people honkie, cracker, etc.? is it ok for a black person to say that in a rap song, but not ok for mayer to talk like he thinks he's some kind of gangsta? what's the difference?

To answer you immediate question no it isn't right to use racial epithets in any form. But what does this have to do with John Mayer's comments? He wasn't using the term nigger in a song he said it in an interview to a national publication.

I agree with what you say.
Perhaps the problem is as a society we don't all evolve at the same time.
Maybe we throw around "racist" too fast when insted "Stupidity" is more in line with what this clown is about.
I suppose in an interview like Playboy they going to ask questions about dating and he was trying to be funny but it came off wrong. when in doubt, stfu!
ANd if he does not like black women, or is racist he is only relevant because of his music and the sales of it.
An elected official or mass media personality like Imus, or a Larry king were to go on stupid then they represent their comapny, who sells ad space the therefore represents thier sponsers and then its bye bye time. John Mayer sells John Mayer concert tix (my daughter likes him)and albums but if the crowds thin then he has no voice. Most of his fans I doubt care about his politics or his liberal use of the n-word in an article. And if he misplaced a Pakistani as "Kabul" then he can be called out as lazy and stupid unless there was malice intended.
Too much weed made him stupid.

You keep equating what JM has said with "stupidity" and granted everyone has said stupid things but than there is stupid racist things. I think that because JM doesn't fit "redneck white sheet wearing type" that you give him a pass on his racists rants and chalk it up to drug use and stupidity. You really didn't get that he was trying to offend that Pakstini comedian when he called him "Kabul" the guy has racial issues and might be full-blown racist, misogynists a-hole.

jimimou wrote:^^^bitty - i was asking the question on its own - not necessarily relating it to what mayer said.

A lot of people in the music industry sell their soul in order to get a deal and if that means representing themselves and their people with no dignity or respect they will do it. The more offensive, the more outrageous, the better record execs eat that crap up.

jimimou wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

jimimou wrote:^^^bitty - i was asking the question on its own - not necessarily relating it to what mayer said.

A lot of people in the music industry sell their soul in order to get a deal and if that means representing themselves and their people with no dignity or respect they will do it. The more offensive, the more outrageous, the better record execs eat that crap up.

i know. i worked in that industry for about 3yrs doing A & R work so I saw it first hand. it's pretty sad how the whole industry operates.

Have any examples without name dropping?

bitty41 wrote:

jimimou wrote:^^^bitty - i was asking the question on its own - not necessarily relating it to what mayer said.

A lot of people in the music industry sell their soul in order to get a deal and if that means representing themselves and their people with no dignity or respect they will do it. The more offensive, the more outrageous, the better record execs eat that crap up.

Answer this, Bitty:

Bitty, this is a primitive, dog-eat-dog culture. Having more than your neighbor is not only celebrated, its idealized. Accumulating assets is the goal and female conquests are no different.
But lets be real, a lot of women dont respect nice guys and subscribe to the nice guys finish last theory. They want a douchebag, or at least thats what they ultimately respect deep down. Hence, the fascination with bad boys.
Yeah, women will pine for a nice guy once they get played by a bad boy, but they get real bored with a honorable, respectful cat. Sure, there are always exceptions to the rule, but if one starts treating women nice and with respect that woman will more often then not, move on because she will feel like she has conquered you and controlled you.
They will go and bang some guy that you used to be. The guy you were before you got all soft. I've learned lessons like this the hard way and I wont be made a fool of, or love a female ever again outside of my mama and two sisters.