EwingsGlass wrote:Just a thought on Collison, is it possible that he has developed so quickly because he has been practicing against Paul and learning from Paul? I.e. on a different team, like the Knicks, without a PG role model to test his limits in practice, he would not be as good?

I'm not sure if someone can be developed that much quicker by playing with or against Paul.

Dude actually has the talent.

EwingsGlass wrote:Just a thought on Collison, is it possible that he has developed so quickly because he has been practicing against Paul and learning from Paul? I.e. on a different team, like the Knicks, without a PG role model to test his limits in practice, he would not be as good?

if that's the case then why didn't Mike James and Antonio Daniels resurrect their careers there? Give the kid his props, he's simply getting it done in a large way. He has a 14ast, 15ast, 20ast game this month.....this can't be attributed all to Paul who's actually spent more time being injured this year versus healthy. So really how much PT has he really had with CP3?

EwingsGlass wrote:

Juice wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Just a thought on Collison, is it possible that he has developed so quickly because he has been practicing against Paul and learning from Paul? I.e. on a different team, like the Knicks, without a PG role model to test his limits in practice, he would not be as good?

if that's the case then why didn't Mike James and Antonio Daniels resurrect their careers there? Give the kid his props, he's simply getting it done in a large way. He has a 14ast, 15ast, 20ast game this month.....this can't be attributed all to Paul who's actually spent more time being injured this year versus healthy. So really how much PT has he really had with CP3?

I didn't say he doesn't have talent. Nor did I say that Chris Paul makes any player better. I am asking whether he, Darren Collison, would have been as successful anywhere else. I don't think it is insulting to him to recognize that his sparring partner is very talented. If Collison were paired with Duhon, do you think he would be able to develop as fast? Its not a knock on Collison. Before people start the criticism of the Knicks in a new draft failure thread, it would seem to me that having superstar talent to train with and learn from would have a positive impact on a rookie player's development. I wouldn't exaggerrate what I said either, I never intended to imply that Collison's successes are solely attributable to Paul.

If you got talent, talent is yours, it can't be mine
And it take you where it's gon' take you, it'll be fine
Let me hit 'em with the rewind
Do you and I'll do me
To me you'll see how real you'll be

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The issue with Collison is he is putting up great stats and his team is losing while he is putting up monster stats. I havent seen the games so I will reserve judgement.

His FGA's are Jennings like with some alot TO's. What's up with that TMS?

Jennings is shooting 36% from the field this year... he's a high volume, low percentage scoring PG... Collison is shooting a much more efficient 46% from the field & has had multiple double digit assist games this month... this isn't even worth getting into with you.

Yup, and Milwaukee is winning with that "high volume low percentage scoring PG" while New Orleans is losing with the "efficient double digit assist man".

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The issue with Collison is he is putting up great stats and his team is losing while he is putting up monster stats. I havent seen the games so I will reserve judgement.

His FGA's are Jennings like with some alot TO's. What's up with that TMS?

Jennings is shooting 36% from the field this year... he's a high volume, low percentage scoring PG... Collison is shooting a much more efficient 46% from the field & has had multiple double digit assist games this month... this isn't even worth getting into with you.

Yup, and Milwaukee is winning with that "high volume low percentage scoring PG" while New Orleans is losing with the "efficient double digit assist man".

Jennings numbers have been going south almost for 2mos in every category. I'd say look no further than when the Bucks made the trade for Salmons as the bigger reason for their turnaround and the statistics say so. Plus Bogut has been playing very well and Skiles being the difference. Jennings has been almost next to irrelevant as far as impact past 2-3mos.

Donnie is that you?

Lol at it being all about Salmons, who is an above average journeyman and not the PG, Jennings.

sebstar wrote:

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The issue with Collison is he is putting up great stats and his team is losing while he is putting up monster stats. I havent seen the games so I will reserve judgement.

His FGA's are Jennings like with some alot TO's. What's up with that TMS?

Jennings is shooting 36% from the field this year... he's a high volume, low percentage scoring PG... Collison is shooting a much more efficient 46% from the field & has had multiple double digit assist games this month... this isn't even worth getting into with you.

Yup, and Milwaukee is winning with that "high volume low percentage scoring PG" while New Orleans is losing with the "efficient double digit assist man".

Jennings numbers have been going south almost for 2mos in every category. I'd say look no further than when the Bucks made the trade for Salmons as the bigger reason for their turnaround and the statistics say so. Plus Bogut has been playing very well and Skiles being the difference. Jennings has been almost next to irrelevant as far as impact past 2-3mos.

Donnie is that you?

Lol at it being all about Salmons, who is an above average journeyman and not the PG, Jennings.

The Bucks are 10-1 since the Salmons trade. I'm not saying Salmons the player is the end all to their success. Stop trying to exaggerate. What I'm saying is Jennings is less relevant to all things that have taken place since January 18th. For the record Salmons' numbers past 11 games are far better than they were first 50 games.

Juice wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Juice wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The issue with Collison is he is putting up great stats and his team is losing while he is putting up monster stats. I havent seen the games so I will reserve judgement.

His FGA's are Jennings like with some alot TO's. What's up with that TMS?

Jennings is shooting 36% from the field this year... he's a high volume, low percentage scoring PG... Collison is shooting a much more efficient 46% from the field & has had multiple double digit assist games this month... this isn't even worth getting into with you.

Yup, and Milwaukee is winning with that "high volume low percentage scoring PG" while New Orleans is losing with the "efficient double digit assist man".

Jennings numbers have been going south almost for 2mos in every category. I'd say look no further than when the Bucks made the trade for Salmons as the bigger reason for their turnaround and the statistics say so. Plus Bogut has been playing very well and Skiles being the difference. Jennings has been almost next to irrelevant as far as impact past 2-3mos.

Donnie is that you?

Lol at it being all about Salmons, who is an above average journeyman and not the PG, Jennings.

The Bucks are 10-1 since the Salmons trade. I'm not saying Salmons the player is the end all to their success. Stop trying to exaggerate. What I'm saying is Jennings is less relevant to all things that have taken place since January 18th. For the record Salmons' numbers past 11 games are far better than they were first 50 games.

Jennings is that team's emotional and spiritual leader. He's the cat with the balls that has changed that culture.

He's deferring to the scorers and proving he is a winner. The culture of that franchise changed when HE was drafted, not the Salmons trade.

Salmons has been a nice little injection of scoring punch and energy. Jennings is the franchise. Ol boy punked Garnett and Baby Davis in one game. Gangsta.