AnubisADL wrote:

djsunyc wrote:the dnp's to starting (for 2 games) and then back to subbing is similar behavior to larry brown's year.

Now we can see why Hughs called D'Antoni's rotation "a joke".

Of course D'Antoni's pet only gets demoted for 2 games in a back to back.

the best stretch from the knicks in those two games was in the 2nd half against cleveland with duhon at the 1 and nate at the 2. the knicks were getting buried with nate at the 1.

i don't like duhon any better than anyone else does but to puff up nate as the 1 just cuz duhon's horrible doesn't amount to anything.

djsunyc wrote:the dnp's to starting (for 2 games) and then back to subbing is similar behavior to larry brown's year.

LB and MDA have both been very successful in the league. Neither have exhibited these strange rotations until they both got here. The revelation is the talent is thin and the parts dont match. Both LB and MDA were/are both just rearranging the bad hands they were dealt. Some combos might look a little better together than others, but in the end, I think we all know we need a new hand. Hopefully that will start to come to fruition starting this summer and beyond.

Marv wrote:the best stretch from the knicks in those two games was in the 2nd half against cleveland with duhon at the 1 and nate at the 2. the knicks were getting buried with nate at the 1.

i don't like duhon any better than anyone else does but to puff up nate as the 1 just cuz duhon's horrible doesn't amount to anything.

Playing mind games with your players only helps to lose the team quicker. You think D'Anoni's antics dont effect team effort?

Cleveland was going to bury us anyway so trying to pin it on Nate is a joke. The only reason I can see for starting Duhon is his chemistry with
Lee but Lee seems to get off even without Duhon. I also stated Monday the timing of shakeup seemed shady. Jennings abused smaller PG's all season so putting Nate on him too start seemed pretty stupid.

Uptown wrote:

djsunyc wrote:the dnp's to starting (for 2 games) and then back to subbing is similar behavior to larry brown's year.

LB and MDA have both been very successful in the league. Neither have exhibited these strange rotations until they both got here. The revelation is the talent is thin and the parts dont match. Both LB and MDA were/are both just rearranging the bad hands they were dealt. Some combos might look a little better together than others, but in the end, I think we all know we need a new hand. Hopefully that will start to come to fruition starting this summer and beyond.

Larry Brown won with a veteran team already built that needed a coach to put them over the top. Larry Brown works best with Vets. He tries to trade all the young guys. I dont recall either coach actually developing any young talent.

Marv wrote:but part of the reason for the cavs' 1st-half surge was that ny had no offensive rhythm at all. nate was trying but his instincts are totally off for a pg. maybe the cavs did relax in the 2nd half but that's nate's game right there - go balls-out and create a crazy run of points. if he were on a team that could play teams evenly in the 1st half he could be a monster in this league with 2nd half runs that put teams away.

Our interior defense was non existent. Hickson and Shaq were eating Lee up in the middle. Cav's got out of sync when Lebron started jacking every shot. We have gotten blown out in the first qtr with Duhon starting this year a few times so that excuse is lame.

Marv wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Marv wrote:the best stretch from the knicks in those two games was in the 2nd half against cleveland with duhon at the 1 and nate at the 2. the knicks were getting buried with nate at the 1.

i don't like duhon any better than anyone else does but to puff up nate as the 1 just cuz duhon's horrible doesn't amount to anything.

Playing mind games with your players only helps to lose the team quicker. You think D'Anoni's antics dont effect team effort?

Cleveland was going to bury us anyway so trying to pin it on Nate is a joke. The only reason I can see for starting Duhon is his chemistry with
Lee but Lee seems to get off even without Duhon. I also stated Monday the timing of shakeup seemed shady. Jennings abused smaller PG's all season so putting Nate on him too start seemed pretty stupid.

why do you think he would't put douglas in against jennings? wouldn't that heave been a great time to unleash a physical, quick defensive-minded pg?

It would have been a great time to put Douglas in but D'Antoni didn't which is why I say he set Robinson up for failure. Douglas isn't a PG but I think he could have made Jennings life a little harder because I don't recall Jennings getting that many layups this year. Just a FYI, Jennings went for 5 points and 7 assists on 2-10 shooting on Saturday. If we had taken away Jennings' layups the Bucks wouldn't have been able to generate enough points to beat us.

I can only speculate but maybe D'Antoni was getting pressured to send Duhon too the bench.

AnubisADL wrote:

Marv wrote:out of synch? that's when they built their huge lead.

and yes, early blow-outs are the norm for the knicks whether duhon or nate is starting at pg. that's why i'm no duhon fan but no nate-at-pg fan either. we simply have no competent pg on this squad, so to think nate's gonna make a difference there is folly to me.

Yea, the Cav's started standing around watching Lebron instead of moving and running plays.

i'd be willing to go out of synch because a guy's riding an unconsciously hot hand to go off for 35 in the half and give us a 25 point lead. i promise you that if he does that for us next year i won't complain about us being out of synch.

Marv wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Marv wrote:out of synch? that's when they built their huge lead.

and yes, early blow-outs are the norm for the knicks whether duhon or nate is starting at pg. that's why i'm no duhon fan but no nate-at-pg fan either. we simply have no competent pg on this squad, so to think nate's gonna make a difference there is folly to me.

Yea, the Cav's started standing around watching Lebron instead of moving and running plays.

i'd be willing to go out of synch because a guy's riding an unconsciously hot hand to go off for 35 in the half and give us a 25 point lead. i promise you that if he does that for us next year i won't complain about us being out of synch.

Here is what I don't understand.

We blame different guys for a slow start, but against Cleveland, our problem was allowing them to put up 74 points in the first half. And its not like we didn't score either.

We can't outscore other teams, especially when we don't play defense.

Give me Don Chaney, and games in the 80's and 37 wins. Sorry, I didn't know then how good we really had it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I understand that Nate might not be the answer at PG (even though Nate did pretty well in my opinion). But if Nate's SG mentality is the problem, just have Nate bring the ball up the floor and then initiate the offense through Gallo. Or Lee. It is not like Duhon does anything spectacular as the PG that cannot be replicated.

This Duhon debacle needs to end.

Marv wrote:duhon's the escapegoat for this team. we play no better or worse with him at the point or anyone else on this squad.

Exactly, so why is he starting?

AnubisADL wrote:"It was typical coach-talking-to-his-captain type talk, trying to see what we could do to get this team back to where we were," Duhon told The Post. "What I see we could do differently, what he and I need to do better. There was a lot of brain-storming trying to find solutions."

Not surprisingly, the communication issue came up, with D'Antoni agreeing he needs to talk to the players more often and get their thoughts -- even during a game.
Players have complained publicly and privately D'Antoni doesn't communicate enough individually to guys and define their roles -- with Larry Hughes, Eddy Curry, Robinson, Al Harrington and Darko Milicic headlining the list.

"It's tough being head coach," Duhon said. "We as players think that we can do it, but we really can't. But the main thing is communicating with him more when the game is going on."
Duhon said the coach wants him in particular to be in his ear -- a clear sign how much D'Antoni trusts Duhon's judgment.
"If I'm not even in the game, just watching it from his point of view, trying to make adjustments, helping him out," Duhon said. "Being kind of another assistant coach out there, try this, try that. We need more interaction with him so he can have a better feel. He can't see everything."

What D'Antoni sees is his Robinson starting point guard experiment as a failure.

D'Antoni said he now firmly views Robinson is better suited as a shooting guard off the bench. The Knicks were slaughtered 44-24 in the first quarter against the Cavaliers on Saturday, though Robinson led them back with a scorching 23-point second half. The Knicks were a Duhon 3-pointer from tying with two minutes left.
Robinson and Duhon shared the backcourt in the fourth quarter when the Knicks made their comeback from 23 points down. That will be a combination D'Antoni will look to use to close games. With D'Antoni classifying Robinson as a shooting guard, Hughes will likely see only backup point guard duty, if he plays at all.
"Starting is not that big a deal," Duhon said. "It's more who finishes. My job is to find a way out of the slump I've been in and go back to being myself."
Duhon shot 2 of 6 in Cleveland but had 8 assists. He's been in a shooting rut for five weeks, coinciding with the Knicks on the verge of tumbling out of the playoff race, a season-low 12 games under .500.

Source: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/new_starting_point_mwFKCo6AKZ7LJFNFGvudVN

LOL... so now MDA finally realizes there's a legitimate communication issue between him & his players because Duhon's telling him? why was it not a big issue when guys like Nate, Curry & Hughes were complaining about it? & who couldn't see that Nate wasn't a true PG? wasn't the whole point to start Nate to showcase him for a possible trade? or wasn't it? this is why MDA is so maddening, the guy confuses the crap outta me w/his roster rotations.