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Donnie Walsh can you get a C?
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2/7/2010  3:12 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
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CrushAlot wrote:The coach won't play a center or anyone else that might interfere with the playoff run.

Who exactly is our PF or C? Im still confused with this? If I say D Lee 4--who is the 5?

who was the Bucks' C the other night when Bogut left the game w/migraines? u telling me we can't expect Lee to check guys like Mbah A Moute or Ilyasova?

I think a conventional coach would try Lee and Hill together--it's not Lee's fault that we dont play a C. Lee is a PF. Who is the C and PF on the starting unit--ot sems like just Lee and no one else has culpability. Funny but if every player played as good as Lee did 12-18 32 points 15 rebounds--we would win 60 games. Right? How is it David Lee's fault that we dont play a C? It's MDA's fault--or Walsh's fault --the coach doesnt play Hill next to Lee and Walsh couldn't get a C in two years other than a guy who didnt wanst to be here--he certainly had his chance to get a decent guy???

Jefferies and gallinari is not a good match---one of those two is considered the C or PF and neither are at this point--they are 3's masquerading as 4-5.

i agree w/u on Lee's offense, he brings it every single night which is a lot more than i can say about the other players on this team... i also agree that a conventional coach would play Lee & Hill together in the frontcourt instead of playing Fishlips 35+ at the PF position... obviously MDA's main goal is trying to pump up his trade value... if after the 18th we still don't see Hill getting burn at the 5 then there's something seriously wrong w/either him as a prospect or MDA as a head coach.

but still, there are teams in the NBA that are playing much better basketball than we are w/o a conventional 7 foot C on their teams, why can't the Knicks play better than they are now w/Lee as the 5? the Wizards have Haywood as their starting 5 & they still suck... it's not just that simple that if we get a 7 footer in here we'll start playing good basketball like u wanna make it seem... Lee still needs to step up & start playing some defense, & so do other guys like Nate, Al & Duhon... we can't keep going into games so handicapped because 3 of the 5 guys on the floor don't play any D & expect to win many of them

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2/7/2010  3:17 AM
What's the difference between Lee and Z-Bo at this point if we don't give a damn about defense in the post. I mean why are the Knicks settling for Z-Bo lite. Other than passing what advantage does Lee have over Z-Bo. I mean Z-Bo is able to post up and shoot from the outside, grab a lot of rebounds including offensive ones but doesn't play any defense but his defense is superior to that of Lee. I mean how much is Z-Bo lite worth?
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2/7/2010  3:20 AM
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The coach won't play a center or anyone else that might interfere with the playoff run.

Who exactly is our PF or C? Im still confused with this? If I say D Lee 4--who is the 5?

who was the Bucks' C the other night when Bogut left the game w/migraines? u telling me we can't expect Lee to check guys like Mbah A Moute or Ilyasova?

I think a conventional coach would try Lee and Hill together--it's not Lee's fault that we dont play a C. Lee is a PF. Who is the C and PF on the starting unit--ot sems like just Lee and no one else has culpability. Funny but if every player played as good as Lee did 12-18 32 points 15 rebounds--we would win 60 games. Right? How is it David Lee's fault that we dont play a C? It's MDA's fault--or Walsh's fault --the coach doesnt play Hill next to Lee and Walsh couldn't get a C in two years other than a guy who didnt wanst to be here--he certainly had his chance to get a decent guy???

Jefferies and gallinari is not a good match---one of those two is considered the C or PF and neither are at this point--they are 3's masquerading as 4-5.

i agree w/u on Lee's offense, he brings it every single night which is a lot more than i can say about the other players on this team... i also agree that a conventional coach would play Lee & Hill together in the frontcourt instead of playing Fishlips 35+ at the PF position... obviously MDA's main goal is trying to pump up his trade value... if after the 18th we still don't see Hill getting burn at the 5 then there's something seriously wrong w/either him as a prospect or MDA as a head coach.

but still, there are teams in the NBA that are playing much better basketball than we are w/o a conventional 7 foot C on their teams, why can't the Knicks play better than they are now w/Lee as the 5? the Wizards have Haywood as their starting 5 & they still suck... it's not just that simple that if we get a 7 footer in here we'll start playing good basketball like u wanna make it seem... Lee still needs to step up & start playing some defense, & so do other guys like Nate, Al & Duhon... we can't keep going into games so handicapped because 3 of the 5 guys on the floor don't play any D & expect to win many of them

I disagree about that part. I think coach generally likes Jared on this team in the mold of Diaw. His improved offense only will make their fondness grow. In the end I don't think D'Antoni really cares about showcasing but just putting together his roster.

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2/7/2010  3:23 AM
Pharzeone wrote:What's the difference between Lee and Z-Bo at this point if we don't give a damn about defense in the post. I mean why are the Knicks settling for Z-Bo lite. Other than passing what advantage does Lee have over Z-Bo. I mean Z-Bo is able to post up and shoot from the outside, grab a lot of rebounds including offensive ones but doesn't play any defense but his defense is superior to that of Lee. I mean how much is Z-Bo lite worth?

i'll tell u 1 thing, if it's gonna cost us $14 mil per to keep D Lee a Knick, i rather let him walk if that's my only other option... we can't have Lee as the best player on this team & expect to win many games.

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2/7/2010  3:27 AM
Pharzeone wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The coach won't play a center or anyone else that might interfere with the playoff run.

Who exactly is our PF or C? Im still confused with this? If I say D Lee 4--who is the 5?

who was the Bucks' C the other night when Bogut left the game w/migraines? u telling me we can't expect Lee to check guys like Mbah A Moute or Ilyasova?

I think a conventional coach would try Lee and Hill together--it's not Lee's fault that we dont play a C. Lee is a PF. Who is the C and PF on the starting unit--ot sems like just Lee and no one else has culpability. Funny but if every player played as good as Lee did 12-18 32 points 15 rebounds--we would win 60 games. Right? How is it David Lee's fault that we dont play a C? It's MDA's fault--or Walsh's fault --the coach doesnt play Hill next to Lee and Walsh couldn't get a C in two years other than a guy who didnt wanst to be here--he certainly had his chance to get a decent guy???

Jefferies and gallinari is not a good match---one of those two is considered the C or PF and neither are at this point--they are 3's masquerading as 4-5.

i agree w/u on Lee's offense, he brings it every single night which is a lot more than i can say about the other players on this team... i also agree that a conventional coach would play Lee & Hill together in the frontcourt instead of playing Fishlips 35+ at the PF position... obviously MDA's main goal is trying to pump up his trade value... if after the 18th we still don't see Hill getting burn at the 5 then there's something seriously wrong w/either him as a prospect or MDA as a head coach.

but still, there are teams in the NBA that are playing much better basketball than we are w/o a conventional 7 foot C on their teams, why can't the Knicks play better than they are now w/Lee as the 5? the Wizards have Haywood as their starting 5 & they still suck... it's not just that simple that if we get a 7 footer in here we'll start playing good basketball like u wanna make it seem... Lee still needs to step up & start playing some defense, & so do other guys like Nate, Al & Duhon... we can't keep going into games so handicapped because 3 of the 5 guys on the floor don't play any D & expect to win many of them

I disagree about that part. I think coach generally likes Jared on this team in the mold of Diaw. His improved offense only will make their fondness grow. In the end I don't think D'Antoni really cares about showcasing but just putting together his roster.

i think the proof will come after the 18th if Fishlips is still seeing 35+ a night for the rest of the season & Hill is still getting DNP's... i don't see any reason to keep Hill languishing on the bench after the trade deadline, regardless if he's ready to play or not... the kid needs to see regular minutes to develop & mature as an NBA player... if this season is a waste, what better time to let the kid get that experience? last thing i would want is for Hill to go into 2010 still seeing DNP's & not getting burn, cuz then what the hell did we draft him for if we weren't gonna give the kid a chance to show what he's got?

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2/7/2010  3:30 AM
If Lee was already in the mindset of $10 million last season with is improve outside shooting there is no way he is going to do the Knicks any favors. I mean I keep hearing how the Knicks have to move Jeffries, what are you going to do with Lee. Let him walk for nothing? That's what I don't get about the 2010 plan, is it about two free agents or just one. Either way are the Knicks content to just give Lee his money. Because I'm with you as much as Lee has improved offensively, his defense has regressed at the same rate.
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2/7/2010  3:35 AM
TMS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The coach won't play a center or anyone else that might interfere with the playoff run.

Who exactly is our PF or C? Im still confused with this? If I say D Lee 4--who is the 5?

who was the Bucks' C the other night when Bogut left the game w/migraines? u telling me we can't expect Lee to check guys like Mbah A Moute or Ilyasova?

I think a conventional coach would try Lee and Hill together--it's not Lee's fault that we dont play a C. Lee is a PF. Who is the C and PF on the starting unit--ot sems like just Lee and no one else has culpability. Funny but if every player played as good as Lee did 12-18 32 points 15 rebounds--we would win 60 games. Right? How is it David Lee's fault that we dont play a C? It's MDA's fault--or Walsh's fault --the coach doesnt play Hill next to Lee and Walsh couldn't get a C in two years other than a guy who didnt wanst to be here--he certainly had his chance to get a decent guy???

Jefferies and gallinari is not a good match---one of those two is considered the C or PF and neither are at this point--they are 3's masquerading as 4-5.

i agree w/u on Lee's offense, he brings it every single night which is a lot more than i can say about the other players on this team... i also agree that a conventional coach would play Lee & Hill together in the frontcourt instead of playing Fishlips 35+ at the PF position... obviously MDA's main goal is trying to pump up his trade value... if after the 18th we still don't see Hill getting burn at the 5 then there's something seriously wrong w/either him as a prospect or MDA as a head coach.

but still, there are teams in the NBA that are playing much better basketball than we are w/o a conventional 7 foot C on their teams, why can't the Knicks play better than they are now w/Lee as the 5? the Wizards have Haywood as their starting 5 & they still suck... it's not just that simple that if we get a 7 footer in here we'll start playing good basketball like u wanna make it seem... Lee still needs to step up & start playing some defense, & so do other guys like Nate, Al & Duhon... we can't keep going into games so handicapped because 3 of the 5 guys on the floor don't play any D & expect to win many of them

I disagree about that part. I think coach generally likes Jared on this team in the mold of Diaw. His improved offense only will make their fondness grow. In the end I don't think D'Antoni really cares about showcasing but just putting together his roster.

i think the proof will come after the 18th if Fishlips is still seeing 35+ a night for the rest of the season & Hill is still getting DNP's... i don't see any reason to keep Hill languishing on the bench after the trade deadline, regardless if he's ready to play or not... the kid needs to see regular minutes to develop & mature as an NBA player... if this season is a waste, what better time to let the kid get that experience? last thing i would want is for Hill to go into 2010 still seeing DNP's & not getting burn, cuz then what the hell did we draft him for if we weren't gonna give the kid a chance to show what he's got?

o ya... nyk's arent a playoff team where you might sit a rook, or a rook has a hard time getting mins. to me that is a big fail by the coach and worthy of valid critique. how many times did we get the OMG mardy (and the like), in garbage time when the season was over? id rather see hill/td play now so coaches and players can better see what they need to work on, or the FO can see if they royally messed up and need to go to plan X.

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2/7/2010  3:42 AM
sidsanders wrote:
TMS wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The coach won't play a center or anyone else that might interfere with the playoff run.

Who exactly is our PF or C? Im still confused with this? If I say D Lee 4--who is the 5?

who was the Bucks' C the other night when Bogut left the game w/migraines? u telling me we can't expect Lee to check guys like Mbah A Moute or Ilyasova?

I think a conventional coach would try Lee and Hill together--it's not Lee's fault that we dont play a C. Lee is a PF. Who is the C and PF on the starting unit--ot sems like just Lee and no one else has culpability. Funny but if every player played as good as Lee did 12-18 32 points 15 rebounds--we would win 60 games. Right? How is it David Lee's fault that we dont play a C? It's MDA's fault--or Walsh's fault --the coach doesnt play Hill next to Lee and Walsh couldn't get a C in two years other than a guy who didnt wanst to be here--he certainly had his chance to get a decent guy???

Jefferies and gallinari is not a good match---one of those two is considered the C or PF and neither are at this point--they are 3's masquerading as 4-5.

i agree w/u on Lee's offense, he brings it every single night which is a lot more than i can say about the other players on this team... i also agree that a conventional coach would play Lee & Hill together in the frontcourt instead of playing Fishlips 35+ at the PF position... obviously MDA's main goal is trying to pump up his trade value... if after the 18th we still don't see Hill getting burn at the 5 then there's something seriously wrong w/either him as a prospect or MDA as a head coach.

but still, there are teams in the NBA that are playing much better basketball than we are w/o a conventional 7 foot C on their teams, why can't the Knicks play better than they are now w/Lee as the 5? the Wizards have Haywood as their starting 5 & they still suck... it's not just that simple that if we get a 7 footer in here we'll start playing good basketball like u wanna make it seem... Lee still needs to step up & start playing some defense, & so do other guys like Nate, Al & Duhon... we can't keep going into games so handicapped because 3 of the 5 guys on the floor don't play any D & expect to win many of them

I disagree about that part. I think coach generally likes Jared on this team in the mold of Diaw. His improved offense only will make their fondness grow. In the end I don't think D'Antoni really cares about showcasing but just putting together his roster.

i think the proof will come after the 18th if Fishlips is still seeing 35+ a night for the rest of the season & Hill is still getting DNP's... i don't see any reason to keep Hill languishing on the bench after the trade deadline, regardless if he's ready to play or not... the kid needs to see regular minutes to develop & mature as an NBA player... if this season is a waste, what better time to let the kid get that experience? last thing i would want is for Hill to go into 2010 still seeing DNP's & not getting burn, cuz then what the hell did we draft him for if we weren't gonna give the kid a chance to show what he's got?

o ya... nyk's arent a playoff team where you might sit a rook, or a rook has a hard time getting mins. to me that is a big fail by the coach and worthy of valid critique. how many times did we get the OMG mardy (and the like), in garbage time when the season was over? id rather see hill/td play now so coaches and players can better see what they need to work on, or the FO can see if they royally messed up and need to go to plan X.

That's my thoughts too but my concern even more is that other teams to effectively play their rookies without such issues that are also competing for playoff rosters. I see this as a continuation of the previous regime thinking that rookies don't really play that much until they earn it. As much grief as we gave Brown he played Frye, Lee and Nate a hell of a lot while scrubs like Taylor were on the bench. Balkman got more play in his rookie year under Isiah that's why Chandler benching was confusing. Gallo's back was a good enough reason for him not to get minutes but with Hill and Douglas it is mind blowing. I didn't follow preseason so I can't tell how much they did to impress the coaching staff but it is just weird that at this point of the season we are still having this discussion.

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2/7/2010  3:54 AM
all i know is the Knicks made their run tonight vs. the Cavs w/Jordan Hill on the floor & he was guarding Lebron James on the perimeter on almost every possession on zone D & Lebron was either dishing off to teammates or forcing up shots down the stretch... 1 of the only games this season where we actually got this kid into some meaningful minutes against a quality team.
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2/8/2010  12:20 AM
Look how Phoenix has responded to putting Lopez @ C---this is why MDA is not in Phoenix. When it comes down to it--if you dont have the bricks and mortars in place--you are not winning the wars.
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2/8/2010  12:31 AM
we need to give the kids a shot & see how they respond to the challenge... & i mean a real shot, not just 2-3 game experiments where they get 10-15 minutes here & there... MDA needs to commit to playing these kids for a real stretch & see if they can fill the holes at the C & PG positions before the offseason hits, cuz this is the offseason to address the holes on our roster... the Knicks can't into the 2010-11 season still lacking in a viable C & w/o someone who can orchestrate this offense.
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