franco12 wrote:
D'Antoni is a bad coach because it took him this long to yank Duhon.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:
D'Antoni is a bad coach because it took him this long to yank Duhon.

Hughes and Duhon are different situations. If Hughes plays poorly other guys can take his minutes. The options arent good for replacing Duhon. We have no other typical PG. Nate is a turnover prone scorer and Douglas dont run an offense at all. I dont see any relation. Knicks needed Duhon to get out of his funk and he just hasnt. I would say 10-15 games is a fair stretch. Now he sits. I guess if MDA sat Duhon 2 weeks ago you would think he's a good coach?

I agree fish..this is a touchy situation as far as having a tru floor general out there, but Nate has got to show that he can play the positon, becuase that's where he is going to earn his $ next year, if he expects a decent salary. If he ends up leading this team to the playoffs donnie is going to have a very busy off season.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:
D'Antoni is a bad coach because it took him this long to yank Duhon.

Hughes and Duhon are different situations. If Hughes plays poorly other guys can take his minutes. The options arent good for replacing Duhon. We have no other typical PG. Nate is a turnover prone scorer and Douglas dont run an offense at all. I dont see any relation. Knicks needed Duhon to get out of his funk and he just hasnt. I would say 10-15 games is a fair stretch. Now he sits. I guess if MDA sat Duhon 2 weeks ago you would think he's a good coach?

I wouldn't have replaced Duhon, but I would have given minutes to either Hughes or Douglas, splitting their time evenly.

My argument is that as bad as a PG either Hughes, Douglas or Nate would be over Duhon, their positives and their negatives outweigh Duhon's positives & negatives.

Honestly, the offense is predicated on ball movement and being able to hit the open shot. Nate gives you that, and he can break down a defense better than anyone else.

Hughes is going to be hot and cold, but he plays great defense. Same for Douglas.

Maybe Duhon is really partying too much. I've discredited the rumors and the pictures, but maybe the dude isn't taking things seriously.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:
D'Antoni is a bad coach because it took him this long to yank Duhon.

Hughes and Duhon are different situations. If Hughes plays poorly other guys can take his minutes. The options arent good for replacing Duhon. We have no other typical PG. Nate is a turnover prone scorer and Douglas dont run an offense at all. I dont see any relation. Knicks needed Duhon to get out of his funk and he just hasnt. I would say 10-15 games is a fair stretch. Now he sits. I guess if MDA sat Duhon 2 weeks ago you would think he's a good coach?

I wouldn't have replaced Duhon, but I would have given minutes to either Hughes or Douglas, splitting their time evenly.

My argument is that as bad as a PG either Hughes, Douglas or Nate would be over Duhon, their positives and their negatives outweigh Duhon's positives & negatives.

Honestly, the offense is predicated on ball movement and being able to hit the open shot. Nate gives you that, and he can break down a defense better than anyone else.

Hughes is going to be hot and cold, but he plays great defense. Same for Douglas.

Maybe Duhon is really partying too much. I've discredited the rumors and the pictures, but maybe the dude isn't taking things seriously.

Duhon does one thing really really well that none of those guys do, and thats take care of the ball. The Knicks dont block a lot of shots, arent great defensively and are an average rebounding team. They cannot afford to turn the ball over. The won the other day Duhon had 8 assists and zero turnovers in 30 plus minutes. I can promise you that is why the coach gives him a longer leash.

Chris Duhon's assist to turnover ratio is so midsleading. He doesn't turn the ball over because he doesn't make plays.

iSergio wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:
D'Antoni is a bad coach because it took him this long to yank Duhon.

Hughes and Duhon are different situations. If Hughes plays poorly other guys can take his minutes. The options arent good for replacing Duhon. We have no other typical PG. Nate is a turnover prone scorer and Douglas dont run an offense at all. I dont see any relation. Knicks needed Duhon to get out of his funk and he just hasnt. I would say 10-15 games is a fair stretch. Now he sits. I guess if MDA sat Duhon 2 weeks ago you would think he's a good coach?

I wouldn't have replaced Duhon, but I would have given minutes to either Hughes or Douglas, splitting their time evenly.

My argument is that as bad as a PG either Hughes, Douglas or Nate would be over Duhon, their positives and their negatives outweigh Duhon's positives & negatives.

Honestly, the offense is predicated on ball movement and being able to hit the open shot. Nate gives you that, and he can break down a defense better than anyone else.

Hughes is going to be hot and cold, but he plays great defense. Same for Douglas.

Maybe Duhon is really partying too much. I've discredited the rumors and the pictures, but maybe the dude isn't taking things seriously.

Duhon does one thing really really well that none of those guys do, and thats take care of the ball. The Knicks dont block a lot of shots, arent great defensively and are an average rebounding team. They cannot afford to turn the ball over. The won the other day Duhon had 8 assists and zero turnovers in 30 plus minutes. I can promise you that is why the coach gives him a longer leash.

Chris Duhon's assist to turnover ratio is so midsleading. He doesn't turn the ball over because he doesn't make plays.

im not trying to defend duhon too much here, but fish has a point.

what exactly does "doesn't make plays" mean? He still had 8 assists with 0 turnovers, that's taking care of the ball no matter how slice it.

Still look like the Pillsbury doughboy in the middle though.

There are 36 games left in the season, with three to go before the all-star break. The Knicks (19-29) still need somewhat of a miracle -- or misfortune for Miami, Chicago or Charlotte -- to get a playoff berth. But D'Antoni seems to have come to the conclusion that there is nothing more to lose, other than his team. So with seven expiring contracts all with personal agendas (admittedly or not), he seems to be ready to let go of the wheel and hope that those agendas can somehow work congruently.

Really, with the Knicks expected to do very little, if anything at all, by the trade deadline, what other option does D'Antoni have at this point?

kam77 wrote:Alan Hahn sez:

There are 36 games left in the season, with three to go before the all-star break. The Knicks (19-29) still need somewhat of a miracle -- or misfortune for Miami, Chicago or Charlotte -- to get a playoff berth. But D'Antoni seems to have come to the conclusion that there is nothing more to lose, other than his team. So with seven expiring contracts all with personal agendas (admittedly or not), he seems to be ready to let go of the wheel and hope that those agendas can somehow work congruently.

Really, with the Knicks expected to do very little, if anything at all, by the trade deadline, what other option does D'Antoni have at this point?

so basically Hahn is saying after leading this team to a 10 games below .500 record & us needing a miracle to make the playoffs now doing it his way, MDA is allowing other players with personal agendas to play hoping for that miracle to happen? & people wonder why some of us question MDA's methods & his rotations.

"You lose three in a row and playing bad, you try to go with somebody else," D'Antoni said. "The reason I sent Larry to the bench was I didn't think he played well. When guys above him play bad, then let's try it again. I don't care about [his] chatter. He was working hard. He had a good practice [Tuesday]."

so losing 6 of the last 9 even before the 3 game losing stretch wasn't good enough of a reason for MDA to make a change in the rotation?

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:

"You lose three in a row and playing bad, you try to go with somebody else," D'Antoni said. "The reason I sent Larry to the bench was I didn't think he played well. When guys above him play bad, then let's try it again. I don't care about [his] chatter. He was working hard. He had a good practice [Tuesday]."

so losing 6 of the last 9 even before the 3 game losing stretch wasn't good enough of a reason for MDA to make a change in the rotation?

He changed the lineup to protect his pet(Duhon) from Jennings on Friday.

I hope you're not serious. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?