Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:Failures generally try to rewrite history to save face.

The Marbury trade was fine. I still remember this board the day of the trade and the thread went like 30 pages in a few days...Cats were geeked around here.

It was the Eddy deal that sunk us.

Yeah, back then it was great. Marbury was on the brink of becoming a hall of fame player. I don't think Isiah knew what he was getting into when he got this guy. He still has to hold some responsibility for it though. It was his move. Eddie was also bad, but think of this...

We were on the cusp of having capspace by 2007. That was when Allan Houston's contract would expire. I believe LeBron and them were also free agents (Granted, they were restricted) that year. If we just kept ourselves on the path we were on. Let the fat trim itself off, and build ourselves on picks, we could possibly be a contender now.

The Marbury trade put an end to that. Curry, Randolph, Jerome and Jared only added to it.

I feel you, but Zeke was not brought in to tear it down and rebuild the squad with an eye towards the future. Its unrealistic to think that he could have done anything other than make power moves and build and immediate contender.

DurzoBlint wrote:The problem is that with Alan's incredibly downward swift spiral that ended in retirement left a leadership void that Steph Head was allowed to fill. If Alan the surgery that was supposed to extend his career hadn't killed it Alan would have been the leader. The whole chemistry and locker room atmosphere would have been different.

Great point.

TMS wrote:

Panos wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:The thing that struck my nerves the most was that he said he had to get Marbury to fill up the garden because he said it was empty and nobody was coming. Please. Maybe it wasn't selling out anymore, but people have always come to Knick games.

The problem is that the fanbase itself is becoming diminuative. Isiah definitely contributed to that.

My thoughts exactly.
If anything, attendance hit a low point during Isiah's LATER years when they were getting blown out
by 30 points in the 2nd quarter, and the only entertainment at the garden was chanting "FI-re Is-AI-ah!"

let's be real, NY was buzzing with excitement when that Marbury trade was made... yeah, it turns out it was a horrible trade but at the time it created a huge buzz & Knick fans were excited to go to the games.

I'm not disputing that. What I'm disputing is that the seats were empty after Isiah buried the Knicks in salary cap hell, not before. I was as hopeful as the next guy that Marbury would be the primary star here.

TMS wrote:Isiah did good in getting the 1st round pick from TOR in the Antonio Davis for Jalen Rose swap, but messed it up when he took Balkman instead of Rondo, not like most people were touting Rondo that is, just saying... Marcus Williams was the popular choice with some around here, but he's turned out to be a scrub too.

You're right, tho. Drafting Rondo might have saved his job --- but Marbury would have had a fit.

TheGame wrote:IT needs to just say, "Hey, mistakes were made during my tenure in NY, and I got fired for them." He left us a salary cap mess, but he also left us some young talent in Lee, Chandler, and Nate. Lee was an absolutely brillant pick. If he would have taken Bynum and Rondo, he probably would still have a job.

Good for Bynum and Rondo he did not. They will suck now if he did.
All he toucing became smelly sht.