http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/sort/avgAssists

TheGame wrote:I hope someone at the Knicks front office looks at this thread, because IMO it is time for the Duhon starting thing to stop. Let's compare the two players:

Douglas
Pros

Can shoot the 3 ball and has a solid mid-range game.
Brings a scorer's mentality to the game and is not afraid to make clutch shots
Takes care of the basketball, does not turn it over
Not afraid to drive to the hole
Solid FT shooter
Excellent defender, plays passing lanes and harrasses opposing guards
High BB IQ, understands what he can and can't do

Cons

Not instinctive running the pick and roll, tends to think about running the offense rather than just running it
Gambles on defense sometimes which puts him out of position
A bit of a tweener

Duhon

Pros

Can set up David Lee on the pick and roll.

Cons

Defense is average at best
Lacks confidence as a shooter, goes through long dry spells
Is afraid to drive to the hole and is not good at finishing at the rim
Not really a clutch shooter
Fails to get anyone but Lee involved in the offense

I think this is a fairly honest assessment of the two players. So why in the world is Duhon starting while Douglas rides the bench. MDA wake up. If the team is going to lose by 20 pts every game, you might as well let the rookie ball and learn to run the offense.

Douglas is N8 with less offense but, better defense. N8 is actually the better passer which, imo is an indictment against Douglas. I can't fathom those who say he's the answer at point guard.

Come back with that after he averages more than 2 assist a game (if he even gets that much)

The guy gets after it and plays hard but, he's another shooting guard with point guard stature.

As has been shown and said, its hard (and rare) for guys to learn the point. Its either in you or its not

TheGame wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

TheGame wrote:I hope someone at the Knicks front office looks at this thread, because IMO it is time for the Duhon starting thing to stop. Let's compare the two players:

Douglas
Pros

Can shoot the 3 ball and has a solid mid-range game.
Brings a scorer's mentality to the game and is not afraid to make clutch shots
Takes care of the basketball, does not turn it over
Not afraid to drive to the hole
Solid FT shooter
Excellent defender, plays passing lanes and harrasses opposing guards
High BB IQ, understands what he can and can't do

Cons

Not instinctive running the pick and roll, tends to think about running the offense rather than just running it
Gambles on defense sometimes which puts him out of position
A bit of a tweener

Duhon

Pros

Can set up David Lee on the pick and roll.

Cons

Defense is average at best
Lacks confidence as a shooter, goes through long dry spells
Is afraid to drive to the hole and is not good at finishing at the rim
Not really a clutch shooter
Fails to get anyone but Lee involved in the offense

I think this is a fairly honest assessment of the two players. So why in the world is Duhon starting while Douglas rides the bench. MDA wake up. If the team is going to lose by 20 pts every game, you might as well let the rookie ball and learn to run the offense.

Douglas is N8 with less offense but, better defense. N8 is actually the better passer which, imo is an indictment against Douglas. I can't fathom those who say he's the answer at point guard.

Come back with that after he averages more than 2 assist a game (if he even gets that much)

The guy gets after it and plays hard but, he's another shooting guard with point guard stature.

As has been shown and said, its hard (and rare) for guys to learn the point. Its either in you or its not

It is debatable whether N8 is a better passer at this point, but the fact is N8 has been learning to be a pg for 4 years, Douglas is just starting. The kid had like 20 assists to 1-2 turnovers in the summer league, so I find it hard to believe this kid cannot be a better pg than N8. You have to remember that MDA is asking him to come in a score. Hughes ran the point when Douglas was getting regular burn. Obviously, he is going to need alot of work, but I see no reason why this kid cannot be a pg in the mold of a Kirk Hinrich or Sam Cassell. Let this kid get some burn and learn the pg position.

no, I'm saying RIGHT NOW at this point in time that N8 is the better passer of the two. Not saying Douglas can't learn but, those who do are rare.

Can anyone here list a player that was successfully converted into a point guard because, I have been trying to come up with one with no luck. I Remember Clyde saying how hard and rare it was.

DurzoBlint wrote:also, what summer league game are you talking about. I saw them all and I'm sure I would remember him getting 20 assists in a game. Hell, I really doubt he had 20 assists in all of summer league. Maybe not even half that but summer league was a long time ago

1st 2 games he totaled 21 assists and 2 or 3 TO's.

DurzoBlint wrote:think your numbers are off but, his pg play at that time was better than anything he's shown during the season. Seems he forgot how to pass

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/players/index.jsp?player=toney_douglas

it's right there in the link you posted. 21 assists and 2 TO's in his 1st 2 games.

DurzoBlint wrote:Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG
2009 NYK 4 4 29.3 .275 .091 .765 0.5 3.3 3.8 7.0
Total 4 4 29.3 .275 .091 .765 0.5 3.3 3.8 7.0

I was looking at these numbers , instead of the game log. Looks here like 4 games with a total of 7 but, now I see what you were looking at.

If thats the case, what has happened to him because he hasn't shown anything like this during the season

yeah I know. i was real jazzed at his running the team the 1st couple of sl games. we know he's got some skills at this but it hasn't shown during a league game. his scoring ability certainly has though. he seems like the kind of guy who we could expect to show up for camp next season much more ready to integrate his game.

TheGame wrote:I just pulled this from ESPN.com

Chris Duhon has the worst month-long shooting percentage than anyone in the past 10 years.

Player Month FG Pct.
C. Duhon, NYK Nov. '09 .283
V. Carter, ORL Jan. '10 .284
R. Alston, NJN Nov. '09 .313
A. Miller, LAC Jan. '03 .316

Damn is there no limit to how much Duhon sucks.