playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

umynot wrote:

playa2 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

playa2 wrote:If he wins I will layoff him for the rest of the year.... That's my promise !

Has any 2nd yr guy been invited and won before ?

If he doesn't win, will you double your criticism of him?

No actually, I will find little things he does well and magnify them and give great swelling words for him that most here do including knicks announcers breen and tripuka.

Kid is talented duke......

That's why he gets praises...

He has had a great first year!!...... GREAT!

he is having a hard time grasping that.... I don't understand his disgust for the kid.. really..

Why use the word disgust to describe my own point of view with the gall? I think he went high#6 overall for a 3 pt shooter, some think he's a future all-star, but why try and discredit my opinion of his potential ?

I have never said I hated the guy , if you don't agree what everybody else says(majority) then you hate him. I disagree .

Like how people bash Jarred Jeffries, why don't people say the good things he does on the court more often, why don't we all bring up his good points. The guy even developed a 3 pt shot this yr. My point is you want people to homogenize with your point of view and that is childish. This is a forum of opinions , people choose to like who they want, even if they have failure or fall short . Some lower expectations of their favorite players to only magnify what they do well.

Some here think they are shrinks on trying to persuade others to take their stance on different aspects of the knicks. Can you still be a fan of the team and have a disgust of management ? Can you be a fan and not like the direction of the team at this present moment ? Most are holding their breath until this in Fif things don't turn out they way they expect in F.A, many will bash management after being optimistic all season. Some of us look beyond the horizon , others can't.

Why use the word disgust to describe my own point of view with the gall? I think he went high#6 overall for a 3 pt shooter, some think he's a future all-star, but why try and discredit my opinion of his potential ?

Because, of the snide remarks, and overall venom you spew. Remarks like what you just made. "We spent the #6 pick for a three point shooter", or "he froze on Italian day" ..Although the kid ended up having a very good game and he has shown way more than just being a three point shooter... your remarks are not only snide, but they lack insight, and are phrased in somewhat of a sarcastic, baiting manner... And you know it..Anyone can make ridiculous comment and then say, "it is my opinion".. just expect others to call you on it...

Like how people bash Jarred Jeffries, why don't people say the good things he does on the court more often, why don't we all bring up his good points.

funny you say that.. I took a lot of heat on realgm when people were ready to jump off bridges when we traded balkman.. I defended jeffries as the "better overall player"... But to be fair, jeffries has done nothing but stink up the joint the majority of his time here, but now he is playing better, and you are ready to take up for the guy.. LOL.. yet gallo has yet to get a whole season in, and he is target of a lot of your little barbs? again see the hypocricy? And for the record, jeffries has improved his three point shooting you say.. yea.. he improved all the way up to 28%. Should we be jumping for job about this?

Some here think they are shrinks on trying to persuade others to take their stance on different aspects of the knicks. Can you still be a fan of the team and have a disgust of management ?

No one is trying to change your stance.. but if you are going to post this way, at least be fair, or people who have their own opinions will call you out on it... If I were to say that wilson chandler is an overrated brick shooter who only plays well vs bad teams... well if someone calls me on that and I can't prove it, then I should not get mad... You can be upset with whoever the hell you want.. just don't let frustration turn into unreasonableness...

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

umynot wrote:

playa2 wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

playa2 wrote:If he wins I will layoff him for the rest of the year.... That's my promise !

Has any 2nd yr guy been invited and won before ?

If he doesn't win, will you double your criticism of him?

No actually, I will find little things he does well and magnify them and give great swelling words for him that most here do including knicks announcers breen and tripuka.

Kid is talented duke......

That's why he gets praises...

He has had a great first year!!...... GREAT!

he is having a hard time grasping that.... I don't understand his disgust for the kid.. really..

Why use the word disgust to describe my own point of view with the gall? I think he went high#6 overall for a 3 pt shooter, some think he's a future all-star, but why try and discredit my opinion of his potential ?

I have never said I hated the guy , if you don't agree what everybody else says(majority) then you hate him. I disagree .

Like how people bash Jarred Jeffries, why don't people say the good things he does on the court more often, why don't we all bring up his good points. The guy even developed a 3 pt shot this yr. My point is you want people to homogenize with your point of view and that is childish. This is a forum of opinions , people choose to like who they want, even if they have failure or fall short . Some lower expectations of their favorite players to only magnify what they do well.

Some here think they are shrinks on trying to persuade others to take their stance on different aspects of the knicks. Can you still be a fan of the team and have a disgust of management ? Can you be a fan and not like the direction of the team at this present moment ? Most are holding their breath until this in Fif things don't turn out they way they expect in F.A, many will bash management after being optimistic all season. Some of us look beyond the horizon , others can't.

Why use the word disgust to describe my own point of view with the gall? I think he went high#6 overall for a 3 pt shooter, some think he's a future all-star, but why try and discredit my opinion of his potential ?

Because, of the snide remarks, and overall venom you spew. Remarks like what you just made. "We spent the #6 pick for a three point shooter", or "he froze on Italian day" ..Although the kid ended up having a very good game and he has shown way more than just being a three point shooter... your remarks are not only snide, but they lack insight, and are phrased in somewhat of a sarcastic, baiting manner... And you know it..Anyone can make ridiculous comment and then say, "it is my opinion".. just expect others to call you on it...

Like how people bash Jarred Jeffries, why don't people say the good things he does on the court more often, why don't we all bring up his good points.

funny you say that.. I took a lot of heat on realgm when people were ready to jump off bridges when we traded balkman.. I defended jeffries as the "better overall player"... But to be fair, jeffries has done nothing but stink up the joint the majority of his time here, but now he is playing better, and you are ready to take up for the guy.. LOL.. yet gallo has yet to get a whole season in, and he is target of a lot of your little barbs? again see the hypocricy? And for the record, jeffries has improved his three point shooting you say.. yea.. he improved all the way up to 28%. Should we be jumping for job about this?

Some here think they are shrinks on trying to persuade others to take their stance on different aspects of the knicks. Can you still be a fan of the team and have a disgust of management ?

No one is trying to change your stance.. but if you are going to post this way, at least be fair, or people who have their own opinions will call you out on it... If I were to say that wilson chandler is an overrated brick shooter who only plays well vs bad teams... well if someone calls me on that and I can't prove it, then I should not get mad... You can be upset with whoever the hell you want.. just don't let frustration turn into unreasonableness...

What you call unreasonableness , I call an opinion. Being fare to you is saying positive and negative things about a player or management, I will leave that up to you Mr REALGM PR GUY.

For all you guy who don't know, TKF and I go way back on sports forums.

TKF You say you defended jeffries on real gm (I don't go there) but here you ridicule and bash jeffiries like everyone else. What you failed to discover is people put very low expectations on gallo based on him being injured goods last yr as a rookie in his 1st yr. Now anything he does in his second yr is addressed as his rookie yr. This guy has played pro ball since 16 yrs of age ,I guess that doesn't mature you as a young man huh ? But we view him as a 20 yr old who never played against grown men before. The guy has shown range on his Jumper he even got dunks when defenders were looking for his shot. 2nd half of the season players know what he does what he does from now on out will give a better gauge on where he really is.

An opinion on a player isn't necessary a snide remark as you say, it's my opinion of a player I saw in film (video)go end to end with the basketball, show a much better handle and ability to beat smaller guys than him off the dribble. Well either his back is acting up, or he's not in basketball shapeat midway mark, another opinion is he's ready to hit the wall...many have at his age by the way.

I don't like the choice of J.HILL either, but he doesn't play for some odd reason regardless of what vet plays in front of him. Lottery choices should break the rotation on a 30 win team period. David Lee has improved his outside shot, a great advantage playing against mostly C's in the league. Sad thing is he won't defend a squirrel if you asked him. Wilson Chandler had an ankle injury and played better as the season went on and showed us how strong he has become as a NBA PLAYER. Just my Opinion.

For all you guy who don't know, TKF and I go way back on sports forums.

TKF You say you defended jeffries on real gm (I don't go there) but here you ridicule and bash jeffiries like everyone else. What you failed to discover is people put very low expectations on gallo based on him being injured goods last yr as a rookie in his 1st yr. Now anything he does in his second yr is addressed as his rookie yr. This guy has played pro ball since 16 yrs of age ,I guess that doesn't mature you as a young man huh ? But we view him as a 20 yr old who never played against grown men before. The guy has shown range on his Jumper he even got dunks when defenders were looking for his shot. 2nd half of the season players know what he does what he does from now on out will give a better gauge on where he really is.

An opinion on a player isn't necessary a snide remark as you say, it's my opinion of a player I saw in film (video)go end to end with the basketball, show a much better handle and ability to beat smaller guys than him off the dribble. Well either his back is acting up, or he's not in basketball shapeat midway mark, another opinion is he's ready to hit the wall...many have at his age by the way.

I don't like the choice of J.HILL either, but he doesn't play for some odd reason regardless of what vet plays in front of him. Lottery choices should break the rotation on a 30 win team period. David Lee has improved his outside shot, a great advantage playing against mostly C's in the league. Sad thing is he won't defend a squirrel if you asked him. Wilson Chandler had an ankle injury and played better as the season went on and showed us how strong he has become as a NBA PLAYER. Just my Opinion.

What you call unreasonableness , I call an opinion. Being fare to you is saying positive and negative things about a player or management, I will leave that up to you Mr REALGM PR GUY.

Ok, it is your opinion, and opinions are good or bad. I think your opinions of gallo have been bad and unfair.... And being fair to be is being objective which you haven't been so far. Again making comments about him freezing in a game which he played well is hardly what I call fair..

but here you ridicule and bash jeffiries like everyone else. What you failed to discover is people put very low expectations on gallo based on him being injured goods last yr as a rookie in his 1st yr. Now anything he does in his second yr is addressed as his rookie yr.

when have I bashed jeffries? criticized, but bashed? But let me ask you this. has jeffries even come close to living up to expectations since he got here? I would say no, actually he, up until this year has played well below expectations. so don't you think the criticism is fair?

As far as gallo goes, I think he has exceeded expectations, unless you and other fans were expecting more than 15/5 on 40% shooting in his first full year? If you were expecting much more than that, then history will pretty much show you that those expectations would be somewhat unreasonable ... so again, what did you expect playa?

it's my opinion of a player I saw in film (video)go end to end with the basketball, show a much better handle and ability to beat smaller guys than him off the dribble. Well either his back is acting up, or he's not in basketball shapeat midway mark, another opinion is he's ready to hit the wall...many have at his age by the way.

So why does it have to be those two things? why does he have to be out of shape or having back problems when the back has not been a documented issue this year at all? why can't it be he is adjusting to the speed of the game, or maybe he is adjusting to his body.. the kid has gotten taller and bigger.. or maybe the NBA has faster players and he is adjusting.. heck I saw gallo beat his man drive right down the middle and dunk on Hibbert... never saw him do that in any of his videos? Am I to chalk that up as a fluke?

I don't like the choice of J.HILL either, but he doesn't play for some odd reason regardless of what vet plays in front of him. Lottery choices should break the rotation on a 30 win team period. David Lee has improved his outside shot, a great advantage playing against mostly C's in the league. Sad thing is he won't defend a squirrel if you asked him. Wilson Chandler had an ankle injury and played better as the season went on and showed us how strong he has become as a NBA PLAYER. Just my Opinion.

And those are fair opinions.. but I will say that J hill is not playing because he has less talent than the vets in front of him, so, i can't read much into that..

Only thing, you were hardly this fair with gallo.

But if you read my whole post I made it clear that its time to move on, so I dont know why you cats are getting all emotional about what I said.

It will be interesting regardless but these guys might have trouble getting all 30 shots off and might find themselves tired towards the 2nd round if they make the cuts.

tkf wrote:

sebstar wrote:Im not going to be naive about why we selected him, especially considering we passed on Gordon, Randolph, and Lopez...

But if you read my whole post I made it clear that its time to move on, so I dont know why you cats are getting all emotional about what I said.

can it just be that walsh thought gallo was better than the three you mentioned?

Could be, but one would have to ignore A LOT of circumstantial evidence to draw that conclusion.

Im not fitting D'Antoni and Walsh for white sheets, but they have inherent biases that we have seen come to the fore in the two drafts they manned.

sebstar wrote:

tkf wrote:

sebstar wrote:Im not going to be naive about why we selected him, especially considering we passed on Gordon, Randolph, and Lopez...

But if you read my whole post I made it clear that its time to move on, so I dont know why you cats are getting all emotional about what I said.

can it just be that walsh thought gallo was better than the three you mentioned?

Could be, but one would have to ignore A LOT of circumstantial evidence to draw that conclusion.

Im not fitting D'Antoni and Walsh for white sheets, but they have inherent biases that we have seen come to the fore in the two drafts they manned.

Donnie and Mike would draft green people if they could play. These guys have their reputations on the line. They didn't come here to make the racial makeup of the Knicks lighter.

sebstar wrote:

umynot wrote:

sebstar wrote:Im not going to be naive about why we selected him, especially considering we passed on Gordon, Randolph, and Lopez...

But if you read my whole post I made it clear that its time to move on, so I dont know why you cats are getting all emotional about what I said.

Gordon and Lopez get way more touches then Gallo...... Gallo is way ahead of Randolph!!

And the Gallo is Italian .....NY never had an Italian player before.
A city full of Italians..... Shout out to Besonhurst!! Bay 7th and Bathe!!

Hilarious. You proved my point and yet called me a racist in the same breath.

Point to where I called them racist. I said his selection was helped by the vary reasons you're all hyped up about. Next time, dont put words in my mouth, dog.

I'm not Italian dog!!....... Just don't hate on em

Like you seem to

Watch the Jersey Shore and calm your balls!!

If you guys feel differently, fine. But from where I sit, there is no question that certain things played a role in the evaluation process.