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djsunyc
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2/1/2010  11:03 AM
fish - winning december was the aberration. november and january is the norm.
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2/1/2010  11:08 AM
djsunyc wrote:fish - winning december was the aberration. november and january is the norm.
Knicks have been a .500 team since the terrible start. Were expectations higher?
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djsunyc
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2/1/2010  11:13 AM
fishmike wrote:
djsunyc wrote:fish - winning december was the aberration. november and january is the norm.
Knicks have been a .500 team since the terrible start. Were expectations higher?

3-11 in november
6-9 in january

they are 9-20 minus december...i suspect that to get even worse as they go on that 14 of 19 on the road soon.

there is no point in talking about this version of the team. july 2010 will be the final judgment.

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2/1/2010  11:19 AM
Ever play scrabble and end up with no vowels? Doesn't matter how much you mix up the letters you can't make a word. You have to wait for a vowel or hope one is on the board that can help. Well that's our problem. To get on MDA based on his rotations is nuts. No matter who he plays it's not gonna make a huge improvement we don't have a floor leader at the point or anywhere else. WE HAVE NO STAR to get this group over the top in games. Maybe we couldve drafted a PG like Lawson, but I can't blame DW for taking a big with Hill's potential! It's never been about this season! We knew that 2 yrs ago. It would be great to have a playoff season but in the end not the most important thing.

I still believe in DW n MDA! DW stuck to his plan and I don't think he'll mess that up now. He made things tough on MDA but if Duhon could've just had a decent season we'd be a playoff team. His awful start wasn't something anyone could've anticipated and he never really got it going. Neither Nate nor Hughes was the answer either. It's like that season Parcells took a chance with only Vinnie at QB and then he got hurt and that ended the season. Duhon was our Vinnie.

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2/1/2010  11:53 AM
I'd rather Have Duhan than some Iverson ball hogging, or other starphuch go nowhere player.

I'd rather have Duhan than overpay for Sessions.

I'd rather have his contract expire than be stuck with another player.

I'd rather have Gallo and Wilson playing big minutes than Craw and Z-Dumb.

I'd Rather have MDA than Mark Jax who has not coached anywhere.

I'd rather Have Walsh be questioned for rebuilding than not rebuilding at all.

I'd rather win 40 games than 30 but it don't matter, our pick is gone.

I'd rather we sit unproductive players regardless of salary or past cred.

I'd rather be were we are than Philly.

I'd rather we never be in this situation but we are.

I'd rather rebuild and clear cap than be stuck in mediocrity.

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2/1/2010  12:04 PM
Nalod, the voice of reason! To be honest this has been disappointing and frustrating to watch. However, the silver lining is the pain of the last decade is almost over!!! We have a nice core of young players and all that cap space. Gotta be happy about that.
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2/1/2010  12:12 PM
REbuilding has its pains.
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2/1/2010  12:31 PM
Nalod wrote:REbuilding has its pains.

Apparently some of us think this process was supposed to be easy. It sucks to see the team faltering yet again. But we have to balance that with the knowledge that the cap he'll is almost over. Maybe DW surprises us with a smart deal.

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2/1/2010  12:35 PM
Let's play the kids. That might give me a reason to keep watching.
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/1/2010  1:17 PM
MS wrote:The season is slipping away and all the positives from December are in the past. It’s safe to say the Knicks are again one of the worst teams and becoming a punchline very quickly.

The confidence in this regime really should be on life support. We are much worse than last year which I don’t think any of us thought was possible. The rotations are constantly influx and there seems to be a power struggle daily.

I'm just wondering do we still believe these guys are putting the team where it needs to be?????

Donnie Walsh: Grade C

Walsh had a horrible offseason. David Lee should have been locked up for $9 million at 4/5 years period. He proved what he could do and now we may lose one of the better offensive forwards in the game. He is limited on defense, but in one offseason he has improved his jumper to nearly automatic and his passing skills are a tremendous asset.

Chris Duhon

How you handed this guy a two year contract at the full-mid level is just disgrace. He is a journeyman who is scared to attack the rim and has confidence problems like a high school girl.

Drafting: C +

Danillo is going to be fine he is going to be a great talent and should improve into a nice second banana, but we did really need someone to command the middle and provide a defensive presence.

Jordan Hill will be a nice garbage man, but passing on 2 future stud point guards when there we had a huge hole at the position was just brain dead. I will still never fully understand why Walsh saw the need to draft Douglas. He is a volume shooter that gives you defense. Aaron Affalo signed for nothing in Denver and could give you the exact same thing. You take the chance on Dejuan Blair it's not even someone that needs to be discussed.
Trades: B –

If we could have got Ty Lawson late in the first round last year, maybe it wasn’t the best move to trade Zach right away. I agree you need to get rid of the guy while you have the chance but the Tim Thomas/Mobley deal was fair. Getting a second round pick and trade exemption was the better deal. Then trading Thomas for Larry Hughes was just plain stupid, especially when he was playing well in the system.

Crawford I didn’t have a problem with even though he is playing well in the role he was born to play.

Mike: C

I really like the guy and I believe players like playing for him. But, his tenure here has proved to be rocky. The Marbury thing, the Nate thing, Larry Hughes, playing Bender, shifting rotations around constantly, it’s getting little childish. We are playing worse than we did last year and it really looks like he has lost the team.

Losing to the Nets and T Wolves is downright disgraceful. Especially when you get manhandled. I'm starting to get a little worried. Cold weather and constant pressure isn't something a lot of people enjoy. Nor is being run through the ringer in the paper everyday. So this ship better be righted fast otherwise we may never get it back.

When MDA begins starting guys based on their hometown, then we know it will be time for him to go.

IMO, it is clear Walsh made some major mistakes. Not getting Jennings or Lawson in this past draft and taking a project like Hill (who I like) was a big risk. Not trading Nate and Jeffries for cap space was another mistake. Not dealing with the pg issue, which was a clear problem from last season, has pretty much doomed this season, when guys like J-Will or Tinsley could have been picked up for $1-$2 mill on a 1 year deal. That all being said, Walsh's tenure here will be defined by this off-season. If he can sign Lebron without gutting our team, then you have to say he did a good job. If not, then what really have we accomplished over the past 2 years other than creating some cap flexibility (which is about to get used up once Chandler and Gallo become due for a pay raise)

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2/1/2010  1:24 PM
I think larry starting "home town" was a way to experiment and give the rookies some burn without upsetting the diva contracts. Larry tears it down then rebuilds it. Unless you work for Isiah.
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2/1/2010  1:28 PM
TheGame wrote:When MDA begins starting guys based on their hometown, then we know it will be time for him to go.

IMO, it is clear Walsh made some major mistakes. Not getting Jennings or Lawson in this past draft and taking a project like Hill (who I like) was a big risk. Not trading Nate and Jeffries for cap space was another mistake. Not dealing with the pg issue, which was a clear problem from last season, has pretty much doomed this season, when guys like J-Will or Tinsley could have been picked up for $1-$2 mill on a 1 year deal. That all being said, Walsh's tenure here will be defined by this off-season. If he can sign Lebron without gutting our team, then you have to say he did a good job. If not, then what really have we accomplished over the past 2 years other than creating some cap flexibility (which is about to get used up once Chandler and Gallo become due for a pay raise)

i can understand the need to be critical of Walsh on not drafting a PG like Jennings or Lawson, not sure how we can really fault him for the likes of J-Will or Tinsley. JWill was not going to play in NY. Zero chance. I've put this out there before: his family is in Florida and so is his daughter who at one point was ill. Besides, would you pick playing for NY or Orlando? What is TInsley doing this year? Haven't seen him play but his stats show FG% at about the same clip as Duhon with a much worse 3pt%. Would he really add anything?

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2/1/2010  3:05 PM
I think the concerning part is that as the figure head you should really be involved in every aspect of being a general manager. Especially at the money being paid. You have three things to do draft, trade, manage the cap.

Drafting seems to be in the hands of scouts. Walsh trusts his scouts but didn't do a lot of homework this offseason. It was troubling to hear him call out his scouting department for missing on Jennings he was failing to the knicks no matter what happened.

So essentially we have two big holes Center and Point Guard. One could have been solved last year, but you decided to go another route. You undervalued Lee in the process.

So make sure you get the tape of Curry, Jennings and Lawson and know everything about them. Of you could waste everyones time in the offseason looking at Kidd, Williams, Tinsely, Sessions, Hill etc.

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2/1/2010  3:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2010  3:38 PM
BasketballJones wrote:The only thing I can think of that might make the season a little more interesting would be if Donnie were to fire Mike D'Antoni. This should be done in the most humiliating way possible - like you could have three or four security guards walk up to him on the sidelines in the middle of a game, and "escort" him from the building. That would be awesome.

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen on this forum. Just totally lame and uncalled for.

BasketballJones wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:What would you suggest?

changing the channel until october 2010.

What channel? Oh, you mean you think I actually watch these games?

If you aren't watching, then you have no business making posts here.

I am down with DW's plan. Does that excuse him missing on Jennings? Not really, but we have yet to see what we've got in Hill. It could be a wash, and we could even be darned glad with his contributions after ths year. Time will tell.

MDA deserves a bit of blame for allowing the players to relax on defense when we have a well-established pattern of not scoring efficiently enough to beat good teams. The repsonse from the coach should be a much greater emphasis on defense. I think he has done it at times this season, but clearly the boys are slipping the past few games, especially David. But he just does so much else that it's hard to say "Hey, why aren't you a compelte player".

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2/1/2010  3:30 PM
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BasketballJones wrote:It's not the losing that bothers me so much - it's the lack of style displayed while doing so. Isiah Thomas had a way of screwing things up, but doing so with panache. He thereby provided us with hours and hours of entertainment. These guys are just dull.

The only thing I can think of that might make the season a little more interesting would be if Donnie were to fire Mike D'Antoni. This should be done in the most humiliating way possible - like you could have three or four security guards walk up to him on the sidelines in the middle of a game, and "escort" him from the building. That would be awesome.

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen on this forum. Just totally lame and uncalled for.

Thanks.

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2/1/2010  3:33 PM
Nalod wrote:I'd rather Have Duhan than some Iverson ball hogging, or other starphuch go nowhere player.

I'd rather have Duhan than overpay for Sessions.

I'd rather have his contract expire than be stuck with another player.

I'd rather have Gallo and Wilson playing big minutes than Craw and Z-Dumb.

I'd Rather have MDA than Mark Jax who has not coached anywhere.

I'd rather Have Walsh be questioned for rebuilding than not rebuilding at all.

I'd rather win 40 games than 30 but it don't matter, our pick is gone.

I'd rather we sit unproductive players regardless of salary or past cred.

I'd rather be were we are than Philly.

I'd rather we never be in this situation but we are.

I'd rather rebuild and clear cap than be stuck in mediocrity.

Couldn't have put in any more plainly myself. Word to all that.

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2/1/2010  3:37 PM
Do i believe in Donnie and Mike? Well i sure as **** don't believe in the tooth fairy but i'm pretty sure these guys do exist.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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2/1/2010  3:44 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:It's not the losing that bothers me so much - it's the lack of style displayed while doing so. Isiah Thomas had a way of screwing things up, but doing so with panache. He thereby provided us with hours and hours of entertainment. These guys are just dull.

The only thing I can think of that might make the season a little more interesting would be if Donnie were to fire Mike D'Antoni. This should be done in the most humiliating way possible - like you could have three or four security guards walk up to him on the sidelines in the middle of a game, and "escort" him from the building. That would be awesome.

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen on this forum. Just totally lame and uncalled for.

Thanks.

keep your head up jones - btw - did you check out those stock picks i sent you yet?

Nalod
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2/1/2010  3:45 PM
Jennings has not done shyt yet! He had a few really good weeks then has fallen a bit as a nice rookie. Not much more. Maybe he is ROY on stats alone but there is no miricle n Milwaukee. He is Kenny Anderson having a nice rookie campaign. Im not freaking over him.

And if Hill pans out we'll long forget him.

Jwil was never coming here an Kidd was just being smart to creat a market for himself with alternatives.

Im ok with Hill and TD learning. I'd like to see them get minutes but they be quality minutes and contribute. Not just throw them out there and get hammered.

Donnie and Mike are quality guys cleaning up a big mess.

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2/1/2010  3:55 PM
jimimou wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:It's not the losing that bothers me so much - it's the lack of style displayed while doing so. Isiah Thomas had a way of screwing things up, but doing so with panache. He thereby provided us with hours and hours of entertainment. These guys are just dull.

The only thing I can think of that might make the season a little more interesting would be if Donnie were to fire Mike D'Antoni. This should be done in the most humiliating way possible - like you could have three or four security guards walk up to him on the sidelines in the middle of a game, and "escort" him from the building. That would be awesome.

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen on this forum. Just totally lame and uncalled for.

Thanks.

keep your head up jones - btw - did you check out those stock picks i sent you yet?

that's right jonesy - keep your head up. take some motivation from tahe master, D'Andruffi:

Do you still Believe in Donnie and Mike?

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