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kam77
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1/29/2010  12:17 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
klintorious wrote:Lee would be in if he were black

blob is that you?

No that's not OrangeBlobman. I know Klint from the old nytimes forum.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/29/2010  2:33 PM
i think Lee is definitely worthy of being on the team, his offensive game has improved substantially & he should be rewarded for the numbers he's putting up, they don't happen by accident... that said, i think he's approaching the snub the right way & hope he takes this as more motivation to keep getting better down the road to prove that he belongs among the elite... still u'd be a fool not to acknowledge the fact that he does need to address his obvious weakness in defense... no one expects him to be Marcus Camby or Ben Wallace anytime soon, but at least attempt to alter a shot every once in a while, or put your body in there & draw a charge at least... there's no excuse for him not to be doing these things... Fishlips does it all the time & he's built like a chopstick... Clyde said it best, it takes a lotta guts & fortitude to put your body in the line of someone charging you at full speed in the paint... if Lee wants to win more respect from the Knicks fans, he needs to start showing this more on the defensive end, cuz we all know he's got that on the offensive end.
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1/29/2010  11:28 PM
Marv wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
klintorious wrote:Lee would be in if he were black

blob is that you?

circumstantial evidence suggests so.

ban.


I'm not sure who blob is, but go F yourself you racist bastards.

How do we put people on iggy?
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1/29/2010  11:45 PM
klintorious wrote:
Marv wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
klintorious wrote:Lee would be in if he were black

blob is that you?

circumstantial evidence suggests so.

ban.


I'm not sure who blob is, but go F yourself you racist bastards.

How do we put people on iggy?

blob is someone who used to post here... & i would ease up for a little with the abrasiveness until the mods get more familiar with u... just some friendly advice... not that i haven't told all these racist bastards to go F themselves from time to time around here myself... watch out for Papabear in particular... he's a hatter.

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1/29/2010  11:47 PM
nychamp wrote:clit-odorous,
A genuine fan doesn't just blindly cheer on and gloss over obvious problems. You're clearly not watching the games or capable of recognizing Lee's effort on defense. It's somewhere between non-existent and disgraceful.

GodSave,
I do believe that the effort is not there on defense most of the time. He goes through the motions, gets to the spot, shows weakly, and gets ready to board or take it out of bounds off of a score. There is no fire to prevent the score. I agree that it's possible he could improve, but we haven't seen much so far.
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Lee is an excellent and crafty offensive player, and I yell and cheer him on when I'm at the games. But the drop-off between his O and D is so profound as to constitute almost a "fatal flaw". By which I mean games are lost, crucial possessions do not have a favorable outcome for the Knicks, consistently due to lack of defense by our best overall (yet very flawed) player. And by most of our players, too.

And finally, don't be sucker and merely point to the stat sheet to make the case that Lee is a great player. He is very adept at putting up numbers, but unless you're naive you know that the numbers don't consistently tell the story of winning and losing. Lee is a super obvious case in point. Watch the games, watch the crucial possessions. Watch the hemorraging on defense.

I want him to do well, rather I want the Knicks to do well, and for that to happen we must not overestimate Lee's omnipotence. He's not all that.

I watch enough to appreciate a quality player on a $HIT team who would help most GOOD teams win a title.


He's an extremely hard worker and does the best he can on the defensive end. If the Good Lord had blessed him with Kevin Garnett's wingspan he'd be averaging 2 blocked shots per game. Certainly not our worst defender by a long shot.

Do you realize that rebounding is considered to be a defensive facet? Furthermore, can you comprehend the fact that he has been playing out of position for most of his professional career?


Goes through the motions??? You're definitely not watching, you paradoxical pickle smoocher.


A genuine fan doesn't talk **** on his team's only all-star caliber player.
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1/29/2010  11:56 PM
TMS wrote:
klintorious wrote:
Marv wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
klintorious wrote:Lee would be in if he were black

blob is that you?

circumstantial evidence suggests so.

ban.


I'm not sure who blob is, but go F yourself you racist bastards.

How do we put people on iggy?

blob is someone who used to post here... & i would ease up for a little with the abrasiveness until the mods get more familiar with u... just some friendly advice... not that i haven't told all these racist bastards to go F themselves from time to time around here myself... watch out for Papabear in particular... he's a hatter.


I'm not trying to piss anyone off in particular, it just gets me a little steamed when someone accuses me of being someone I'm not.

I was posting at escapefromelba.com after the Nytimes shut down but became tired of the contrived musings of the many pseudo-intellectuals who don't have a clue of the direction the team (or country for that matter) is heading, or needs to travel. Half of them predicted the Knicks to win more than 42 games and now they're all having wet dreams about getting Amare next summer. If nychump thinks Lee is a bad defender, he hasn't seen anything yet. Amare is the absolute WORST defensive big in the league.

Papabear posts over at elba too.....Always love his cogent insights

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1/29/2010  11:57 PM
klintorious wrote:He's an extremely hard worker and does the best he can on the defensive end. If the Good Lord had blessed him with Kevin Garnett's wingspan he'd be averaging 2 blocked shots per game. Certainly not our worst defender by a long shot.

just curious, who do u consider to be our worst defender on this team that gets any reasonable amount of burn in this rotation?

IMO every player in the regular rotation is a better defender than D Lee is, w/the possible exception of Duhon or Nate, & both those guys are perimeter players anyway... when u have D Lee as your last line of defense in the paint, u are operating from a position of weakness on the floor every night... this is why it's imperative to at least see if Jordan Hill can fill that defensive role at the C position so we can shift Lee back to his natural position at the 4, because we're getting torched on the inside every night... & yes, Al Harrington is a better defensive player than D Lee is, as sad as that may sound to you.

this has nothing to do w/D Lee's work ethic or his tremendous offensive skills, which everyone on this forum acknowledges... but you can't just turn a blind eye to his weaknesses either... a genuine" fan of this team should always be entitled to point out flaws in players, coaches or the GM.

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1/30/2010  12:03 AM
klintorious wrote:
TMS wrote:
klintorious wrote:
Marv wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
klintorious wrote:Lee would be in if he were black

blob is that you?

circumstantial evidence suggests so.

ban.


I'm not sure who blob is, but go F yourself you racist bastards.

How do we put people on iggy?

blob is someone who used to post here... & i would ease up for a little with the abrasiveness until the mods get more familiar with u... just some friendly advice... not that i haven't told all these racist bastards to go F themselves from time to time around here myself... watch out for Papabear in particular... he's a hatter.


I'm not trying to piss anyone off in particular, it just gets me a little steamed when someone accuses me of being someone I'm not.

I was posting at escapefromelba.com after the Nytimes shut down but became tired of the contrived musings of the many pseudo-intellectuals who don't have a clue of the direction the team (or country for that matter) is heading, or needs to travel. Half of them predicted the Knicks to win more than 42 games and now they're all having wet dreams about getting Amare next summer. If nychump thinks Lee is a bad defender, he hasn't seen anything yet. Amare is the absolute WORST defensive big in the league.

Papabear posts over at elba too.....Always love his cogent insights

well it's always refreshing to hear a new viewpoint on things... dunno if i agree w/u on the Amare point tho, but then i don't get to watch too many Suns games so i may have to take ur word for it.

btw, u made a good choice of forum if u don't like hearing the contrived musings of pseudo-intellectuals who don't have a clue... you won't find any of them posting here *cough* *cough*

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1/30/2010  12:18 AM
TMS wrote:
klintorious wrote:He's an extremely hard worker and does the best he can on the defensive end. If the Good Lord had blessed him with Kevin Garnett's wingspan he'd be averaging 2 blocked shots per game. Certainly not our worst defender by a long shot.

just curious, who do u consider to be our worst defender on this team that gets any reasonable amount of burn in this rotation?

IMO every player in the regular rotation is a better defender than D Lee is, w/the possible exception of Duhon or Nate, & both those guys are perimeter players anyway... when u have D Lee as your last line of defense in the paint, u are operating from a position of weakness on the floor every night... this is why it's imperative to at least see if Jordan Hill can fill that defensive role at the C position so we can shift Lee back to his natural position at the 4, because we're getting torched on the inside every night... & yes, Al Harrington is a better defensive player than D Lee is, as sad as that may sound to you.

this has nothing to do w/D Lee's work ethic or his tremendous offensive skills, which everyone on this forum acknowledges... but you can't just turn a blind eye to his weaknesses either... a genuine" fan of this team should always be entitled to point out flaws in players, coaches or the GM.


N8 is easily our worst defender in the rotation, a one-faceted player if their ever was one. Hughes is easily our best with Chandler as a distant second.....The Galloping Guinae a solitary third. I really can't discern how Al is a better defender than D-Lee, but I'll take your word for it.

The fact that Larry doesn't get to play anymore speaks volumes of Mike No-D's coaching philosophy
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1/30/2010  12:47 AM
klintorious wrote:
TMS wrote:
klintorious wrote:He's an extremely hard worker and does the best he can on the defensive end. If the Good Lord had blessed him with Kevin Garnett's wingspan he'd be averaging 2 blocked shots per game. Certainly not our worst defender by a long shot.

just curious, who do u consider to be our worst defender on this team that gets any reasonable amount of burn in this rotation?

IMO every player in the regular rotation is a better defender than D Lee is, w/the possible exception of Duhon or Nate, & both those guys are perimeter players anyway... when u have D Lee as your last line of defense in the paint, u are operating from a position of weakness on the floor every night... this is why it's imperative to at least see if Jordan Hill can fill that defensive role at the C position so we can shift Lee back to his natural position at the 4, because we're getting torched on the inside every night... & yes, Al Harrington is a better defensive player than D Lee is, as sad as that may sound to you.

this has nothing to do w/D Lee's work ethic or his tremendous offensive skills, which everyone on this forum acknowledges... but you can't just turn a blind eye to his weaknesses either... a genuine" fan of this team should always be entitled to point out flaws in players, coaches or the GM.


N8 is easily our worst defender in the rotation, a one-faceted player if their ever was one. Hughes is easily our best with Chandler as a distant second.....The Galloping Guinae a solitary third. I really can't discern how Al is a better defender than D-Lee, but I'll take your word for it.

The fact that Larry doesn't get to play anymore speaks volumes of Mike No-D's coaching philosophy

i think Jared Fishlips & Hughes are our best defenders & Chandler & Gallo next... Nate is a horrible defender for sure, but when he gets his juices going he does make plays on the defensive side of the ball by drawing offensive foul calls on the other team for setting illegal screens because he runs through them before they have a chance to get set... when he's got his energy flowing like that u can't keep up with him on either end of the ball... he's also drawn a few charges from time to time i've noticed, something i rarely if ever see David Lee do at all... & again, he's a perimeter player... Al Harrington draws charges from time to time as well & i think he defends the post better than D Lee does... out of our frontcourt guys, D Lee is easily the worst (can't count Bender cuz he's not in the rotation now)... u can't use the undersized excuse for D Lee cuz all people wanna see him start to do is not to leave such a wide open lane to the basket on so many possessions... u don't need to be big to draw a charge in the lane, it just takes commitment to playing defense & a willingness to sacrifice your body on that end... just ask Jeffries.

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1/30/2010  7:36 AM
Lee is a bad man defender, but does better in zone.
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1/30/2010  1:22 PM
TMS wrote:blob is someone who used to post here... & i would ease up for a little with the abrasiveness until the mods get more familiar with u... just some friendly advice... not that i haven't told all these racist bastards to go F themselves from time to time around here myself... watch out for Papabear in particular... he's a hatter.

Did that guy disappear already? He joined, then posted like 150 messages a day, was seemingly drunk or retarded, and now he's history? Strange.
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1/30/2010  1:24 PM
nychamp wrote:
TMS wrote:blob is someone who used to post here... & i would ease up for a little with the abrasiveness until the mods get more familiar with u... just some friendly advice... not that i haven't told all these racist bastards to go F themselves from time to time around here myself... watch out for Papabear in particular... he's a hatter.

Did that guy disappear already? He joined, then posted like 150 messages a day, was seemingly drunk or retarded, and now he's history? Strange.

it probably had something to do with him saying "**** you, andrew" probably...... lol

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1/30/2010  1:40 PM
Duhon might be just as bad a defender as Lee, but as Sergio and others have correctly pointed out, it's way more damaging to your chances of winning to have weak defense in your big than in a PG. But yeah, Duhon is horrible. In just about all aspects of the game, actually.

I would essentially agree with TMS's breakdown of our defenders a few posts ago, including his assessment of Nate (mostly a terrible defender, but can make the great defensive play at times).

I don't see him as much, but from what I know I would agree that Amare is a horrible defender too. But at least he can block a shot. However, I don't want him on the Knicks either.

klintorious wrote:go F yourself you racist bastards.....you paradoxical pickle smoocher

Also, I'm not sure why you feel like you need to attack me or other posters rather than just debate like a normal person. Is Lee your cousin or something?
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1/30/2010  1:47 PM
I seriously wish the NBA would post some type of stat on how many defensive lapses a player has during the game. If they did Lee would be an All Start for sure.
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