WindsorPl wrote:

TMS wrote:so basically ur expecting him to play a year for free... yeah, i don't really see that happening.

I am not, I am just curious to see how much he wants to stay in NY. Same $ amount, 1 extra year, that should be a good test. At the end, he may decide to take the 5 years and come back for another payday.

if we offer him fair market value, i'm sure he'd like to stay in NY, but i don't see him passing up $10+ million, which in essence is basically what he'll be doing by playing for an extra year at the same money overall in that scenario... i think he's gonna command at least a contract in the $11-12 mil per year range this year.

djsunyc wrote:

TheGame wrote:The question is whether Toronto has any interest in Lee as a Bosh replacement. If we could agree to give Lee the 6th year if he agrees to a trade to Toronto, then we could send a package of Lee, Douglas, and maybe a future protected pick for Bosh. I doubt they would get better value for Bosh than Lee, who some believe might be as good as Bosh (I am not one of those people). This would be what I would be looking to do if I am Walsh.

well that comes down to bosh + lee. if bosh wants to go to ny and lee would wants to go to toronto, then something can be worked out. salaries don't have to match either since the knicks have cap space.

I think that would be a mistake for Bosh unless the Knicks can guarantee other players to surround him with or have already acquired players to surround him with. With the core they have, that will not get it done during playoff time (assuming they make it that far).

djsunyc wrote:why are you scaling 5 years vs. 6 - if a player can get an extra year for $30+ mil, they will do it. you think the PA is going to let him settle for less?

Because you are attempting to say he simply makes 35M more by staying in Toronto and that isn't the full truth. It's a full extra year of salary.

The Knicks can sign him for 5 years, and then extend him thereafter. So if you want to properly compare what he can receive you have to compare the max-6-year salary Toronto can give him against the max-5-year salary + the first year of extended salary the Knicks can give him.

In that you are reduced to the mere percentage pay increases per year.

I think the home team can offer 12.5% increase and the away team 10% increase - until of course that 1st extended year (to match your six years) where it is 12.5% since he is now home team property.

In that you are going to find he would make about 10M total more staying in Toronto.

Something he would easily make up for and much much more due to endorsements and clothing sales by being in a market 100 times the size with 5 times the population.

nixluva wrote:I'll ask this again. Doesn't the team have a right to sign it's player to an extension before the end of the deal? Why can't the Knicks make a side promise to workout an extension for a player like Bosh or Lebron etc.?

Side promises mean jack, ask Boozer.

nixluva wrote:

sebstar wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'll ask this again. Doesn't the team have a right to sign it's player to an extension before the end of the deal? Why can't the Knicks make a side promise to workout an extension for a player like Bosh or Lebron etc.?

Side promises mean jack, ask Boozer.

Yeah I know, but it's not unreasonable to think that for a player like that it could be something that is on the table. We certainly don't care about overpaying for anyone. I know it's kind of weak, but Agents likely take stuff like that into consideration when sending their client to a certain team, no?

Your idea works if there is a foundation of trust. You cant trust anyone as far as you can throw them, especially when there is as much money at stake as in the NBA. Business, never personal is the motto.

Most of these cats wouldnt trust their own mama in these under-the-table agreements, let alone some executive.

there is no telling what will happen.

bosh, lbj and wade signed 3 year deals because it got them to year 7 in the league which now allows them to be the maxest max players.

they will get their 6 year deals...of that there is no doubt. and if one wants to come to ny then the knicks will have to take part in a sign and trade. since lee too is a UFA, he most likely won't be part of it since he may not want to go to cle or tor. but guys like chandler, gallo, and hill have no say.

knicks will get lebron...but it will probably cost them chandler and a pick or so. well worth it but don't think he's coming free and clear.

djsunyc wrote:what if the new cba introduces a hard cap? lesser guaranteed years? etc...

there is no telling what will happen.

bosh, lbj and wade signed 3 year deals because it got them to year 7 in the league which now allows them to be the maxest max players.

they will get their 6 year deals...of that there is no doubt. and if one wants to come to ny then the knicks will have to take part in a sign and trade. since lee too is a UFA, he most likely won't be part of it since he may not want to go to cle or tor. but guys like chandler, gallo, and hill have no say.

knicks will get lebron...but it will probably cost them chandler and a pick or so. well worth it but don't think he's coming free and clear.

Eh, these are trimmings you can't count on.

Believe me I know what you are saying here, and with potential injuries, but I don't think any player plots his future based on this.