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orangeblobman
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1/26/2010  10:16 AM
The thing is, teams drafting these international players are aware that they might choose to stay. No one is saying to the team "draft me and I will come play for you, guaranteed".

That's why teams draft the rights to a player. If you're a GM and you can't convince your guy to come, then you fail and you shouldn't have picked him.

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1/26/2010  10:46 AM
djsunyc wrote:
jimimou wrote:maybe ban is too harsh a word. imposing a rule like this goes against capitalism and the ability of someone to take care of their own future.

as a small example, i offer this: if i applied for a job with microsoft, but yahoo gave me an extra $10k, more responsibility and a better title, would it mean that if another position opened up in microsoft a year or 2 later that better fit my skills, i couldn't apply?

difference is yahoo + microsoft don't have to give you a guaranteed salary.

I'm not sure what this has to do with his professional mobility.

Let's say I get a contract for services from Microsoft. While reviewing this contract, Yahoo! comes in with an offer for more money, better title, matche my quality of life preferences, or whatever else. I accept Yahoo!'s offer. Does that mean there should be a legal mechanism in place to restrict my professional mobility?

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1/26/2010  10:51 AM
you can't apply real world with nba world. nba is not real world.
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1/26/2010  3:08 PM
I have to disagree with you here DJ. Ricky Rubio has every right, as everyone else does, to choose if he wants to play for a team or not. It might hurt his stock for when he does want to come back to the league, but it's still his choice. He made it loud and clear that the only way he'll play in the NBA is if he can play for a large market team like the Knicks, and he said from the beginning that he wont come to play if a team like the T-Wolves draft him. He didn't screw that team. The T-Wolves screwed themselves and they should be the ones to be punished (Which they are) for making a bonebeaded move.
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1/26/2010  3:12 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I am a big supported of Rubio coming to NY. I would trade Chandler and a 1st rounder for him. I think he will be that good. In reality that deal does not cost NY all that much. Chandler plays LBJ's position, so enough said. A 1st round pick when you have Rubio, LBJ, Gallo, Lee, Hill, TD and some others is not worth all that much. If they want some money, give them money too.

Could have not said it any better!!

We should use all our resources to get Rubio!!

Chandler looks like a perfect fit for them!!

They have a ton of Guards no SF......

Jefferson Love Chandler front line?

Flynn and Sessions at G

Young exciting up and coming team!!

And we get Rubio ...... Who might end up being the best PG in NY since Clyde

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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1/26/2010  3:18 PM
We need to focus on reality, rubiuo is fantasy.Walsh goes to the media still sceaming trades, while this fragile team continues to baffle everyone..

these tactics our front office has are to motivate our roster is ridiculous.

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1/26/2010  3:50 PM
djsunyc wrote:if a player declares entry into the nba draft...and is drafted...but decides to go elsewhere to play, he should be banned from the nba for 5 years.

the team that drafts him retains his draft rights for a few years even if he decides to play overseas... every draft pick comes with risks... u have to understand these risk before u make the selection, otherwise pick someone else.

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1/26/2010  6:02 PM
djsunyc wrote:if a player declares entry into the nba draft...and is drafted...but decides to go elsewhere to play, he should be banned from the nba for 5 years.

What kind of leverage and or say are you willing to give the player?

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1/26/2010  7:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2010  7:37 PM
TMS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:if a player declares entry into the nba draft...and is drafted...but decides to go elsewhere to play, he should be banned from the nba for 5 years.

the team that drafts him retains his draft rights for a few years even if he decides to play overseas... every draft pick comes with risks... u have to understand these risk before u make the selection, otherwise pick someone else.

Kahn screwed the pooch on this one. Doubtful Ricky would ever play for Minny before he stays in EuroLeague. I think Ricky is WAY more than a fantasy because if he could select his team it would be the Knicks. If he wants to play here, and we want him here, they will all find a way. Kahn may be a fool for selecting Ricky, but he's pretty smart not to give him to us for chump change. We will most likely have to give up a future pick, but I think Ricky will be worth it.

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1/26/2010  8:01 PM
Moonangie wrote:
TMS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:if a player declares entry into the nba draft...and is drafted...but decides to go elsewhere to play, he should be banned from the nba for 5 years.

the team that drafts him retains his draft rights for a few years even if he decides to play overseas... every draft pick comes with risks... u have to understand these risk before u make the selection, otherwise pick someone else.

Kahn screwed the pooch on this one. Doubtful Ricky would ever play for Minny before he stays in EuroLeague. I think Ricky is WAY more than a fantasy because if he could select his team it would be the Knicks. If he wants to play here, and we want him here, they will all find a way. Kahn may be a fool for selecting Ricky, but he's pretty smart not to give him to us for chump change. We will most likely have to give up a future pick, but I think Ricky will be worth it.

most definitely, Kahn took Rubio cuz he knew he'd retain his value regardless if he played for him or not.

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1/26/2010  9:58 PM
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
TMS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:if a player declares entry into the nba draft...and is drafted...but decides to go elsewhere to play, he should be banned from the nba for 5 years.

the team that drafts him retains his draft rights for a few years even if he decides to play overseas... every draft pick comes with risks... u have to understand these risk before u make the selection, otherwise pick someone else.

Kahn screwed the pooch on this one. Doubtful Ricky would ever play for Minny before he stays in EuroLeague. I think Ricky is WAY more than a fantasy because if he could select his team it would be the Knicks. If he wants to play here, and we want him here, they will all find a way. Kahn may be a fool for selecting Ricky, but he's pretty smart not to give him to us for chump change. We will most likely have to give up a future pick, but I think Ricky will be worth it.

most definitely, Kahn took Rubio cuz he knew he'd retain his value regardless if he played for him or not.

has rubio really retained value though? i mean i pretty much forgot about him.. his value was the highest when he was drafted, i honestly think he's gone down a peg. it's all that hype machine bro... his skills havent changed.

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1/26/2010  10:09 PM
What if Minnesota wins the lottery and John Wall.

What are they gonna do? Not take the best PG? Then what happens with Flynn and Rubio.

ROFL i hope this happens so bad. Just to mess with Kahn for taking all those PGs last year.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/26/2010  10:13 PM
kam77 wrote:What if Minnesota wins the lottery and John Wall.

What are they gonna do? Not take the best PG? Then what happens with Flynn and Rubio.

ROFL i hope this happens so bad. Just to mess with Kahn for taking all those PGs last year.

i would laugh my ass off for real... i got my fingers crossed

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1/26/2010  11:52 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
kam77 wrote:What if Minnesota wins the lottery and John Wall.

What are they gonna do? Not take the best PG? Then what happens with Flynn and Rubio.

ROFL i hope this happens so bad. Just to mess with Kahn for taking all those PGs last year.

i would laugh my ass off for real... i got my fingers crossed

And Sessions to boot!

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1/27/2010  12:36 AM
If Kahn drafted Rubio for the sake of his value, he should have just traded the pick on draft day or very close to the draft because Rubios value is fading a little bit each day. He asks what can we give him, but we ask, whos gonna give him what he expects? Rubio is not a free player anymore, so scouts arent going to lineup to see the guy. Especially if 1) Kahns asking price is too high and 2) hes not going to come to the states to play.

It looks like the sooner Kahn is fired, then the better the Wolves are off.

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1/27/2010  1:43 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
TMS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:if a player declares entry into the nba draft...and is drafted...but decides to go elsewhere to play, he should be banned from the nba for 5 years.

the team that drafts him retains his draft rights for a few years even if he decides to play overseas... every draft pick comes with risks... u have to understand these risk before u make the selection, otherwise pick someone else.

Kahn screwed the pooch on this one. Doubtful Ricky would ever play for Minny before he stays in EuroLeague. I think Ricky is WAY more than a fantasy because if he could select his team it would be the Knicks. If he wants to play here, and we want him here, they will all find a way. Kahn may be a fool for selecting Ricky, but he's pretty smart not to give him to us for chump change. We will most likely have to give up a future pick, but I think Ricky will be worth it.

most definitely, Kahn took Rubio cuz he knew he'd retain his value regardless if he played for him or not.

has rubio really retained value though? i mean i pretty much forgot about him.. his value was the highest when he was drafted, i honestly think he's gone down a peg. it's all that hype machine bro... his skills havent changed.

time will tell how much if any his value has gone down... i think Rubio wants to be in NY & Donnie knows it... we don't know what's being discussed behind the scenes so it's anyone's guess what Kahn wants & what Donnie is offering, if he's offering anything at all... i wouldn't take a bag of balls for Rubio if i were Kahn, i'd hold onto him & wait for the right offer to come along.

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1/27/2010  8:45 AM
TMS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
TMS wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
TMS wrote:
djsunyc wrote:if a player declares entry into the nba draft...and is drafted...but decides to go elsewhere to play, he should be banned from the nba for 5 years.

the team that drafts him retains his draft rights for a few years even if he decides to play overseas... every draft pick comes with risks... u have to understand these risk before u make the selection, otherwise pick someone else.

Kahn screwed the pooch on this one. Doubtful Ricky would ever play for Minny before he stays in EuroLeague. I think Ricky is WAY more than a fantasy because if he could select his team it would be the Knicks. If he wants to play here, and we want him here, they will all find a way. Kahn may be a fool for selecting Ricky, but he's pretty smart not to give him to us for chump change. We will most likely have to give up a future pick, but I think Ricky will be worth it.

most definitely, Kahn took Rubio cuz he knew he'd retain his value regardless if he played for him or not.

has rubio really retained value though? i mean i pretty much forgot about him.. his value was the highest when he was drafted, i honestly think he's gone down a peg. it's all that hype machine bro... his skills havent changed.

time will tell how much if any his value has gone down... i think Rubio wants to be in NY & Donnie knows it... we don't know what's being discussed behind the scenes so it's anyone's guess what Kahn wants & what Donnie is offering, if he's offering anything at all... i wouldn't take a bag of balls for Rubio if i were Kahn, i'd hold onto him & wait for the right offer to come along.

While I agree with your last sentiment, at some point all that Kahn will be left with is a bag of balls.

IMO if you expect a guy to stay over seas like Kahn may have you take Rubio and then you draft for another need and it just so happens that their other need was a 2 guard. Take Curry(who would look pretty good next to Rubio and can play the point if he had trouble coming over), hell even Terrance Williams of you plan on going after Sessions.

Depending on how you look at it Kahn didn't screw up drafting Rubio he screwed up drafting Flynn next.

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1/27/2010  4:02 PM
joec32033 wrote:Depending on how you look at it Kahn didn't screw up drafting Rubio he screwed up drafting Flynn next.

i completely agree w/u there... if he wanted Flynn so bad he could have easily traded down & gotten him later in the draft... i was actually expecting him to take Derozan after he picked Rubio... i knew he wouldn't take Jordan Hill cuz they were already set in the frontcourt.

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1/27/2010  4:21 PM
TMS wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Depending on how you look at it Kahn didn't screw up drafting Rubio he screwed up drafting Flynn next.

i completely agree w/u there... if he wanted Flynn so bad he could have easily traded down & gotten him later in the draft... i was actually expecting him to take Derozan after he picked Rubio... i knew he wouldn't take Jordan Hill cuz they were already set in the frontcourt.

I remember watching the draft and thinking something was up drafting 2 PG's. It is one thing to draft a pure point and a swing player at the 1-2 spot. Problem is drafting 2 players who play exclusively the same position. I swear I thought Kahn was trading Rubio.

Trading Foye for a redundant player hurt ALOT, IMO. They could have had a lineup of:

Jefferson
Love
Brewer
Foye
Flynn

Mike Miller, Gomes, Sessions, Wilkins....

Not bad at all, IMO.

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1/27/2010  4:40 PM
joec32033 wrote:
TMS wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Depending on how you look at it Kahn didn't screw up drafting Rubio he screwed up drafting Flynn next.

i completely agree w/u there... if he wanted Flynn so bad he could have easily traded down & gotten him later in the draft... i was actually expecting him to take Derozan after he picked Rubio... i knew he wouldn't take Jordan Hill cuz they were already set in the frontcourt.

I remember watching the draft and thinking something was up drafting 2 PG's. It is one thing to draft a pure point and a swing player at the 1-2 spot. Problem is drafting 2 players who play exclusively the same position. I swear I thought Kahn was trading Rubio.

Trading Foye for a redundant player hurt ALOT, IMO. They could have had a lineup of:

Jefferson
Love
Brewer
Foye
Flynn

Mike Miller, Gomes, Sessions, Wilkins....

Not bad at all, IMO.

i thought he was coming to the Knicks in a trade too... who knows, that might have been the actual plan but maybe Kahn was asking too much? u never know with these GM's & their smoke & mirrors... Donnie shells out BS all the time, gotta expect the same from his protege.

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