Zach benefits from OJ and Gay being the lead in the offense. Marc Gasol is a solid center. Zach had no such players to give him support.

Crawful is what he is. A great 6th man. Here he was an 11 million dollar shooting guard playing next to a clown. On his own, Craw his getting starter money but we know is no lead player.

THey are talented players, never a doubt, but we accelerated the process by dumping them.

Maybe we get to the playoffs and be one and done.

And how far back would Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler be in their development playing with Crawford and Randolph?

Donnie Walsh needed to trade Crawford and Randolph. It's called changing the culture. Crawford and Randolph represented a losing culture. You don't and can't win with people and players like them.

kam77 wrote:

djsunyc wrote:lebron will get more money signing the max in the summer than signing an extension now...that's why guys like dirk + kobe haven't signed extensions yet.

Lebron and Wade would have earned MORE if they had signed extension last year when the salary would have been based on a higher cap #

but they don't get the extra years. an extension anytime before UFA is for 5 years.

sebstar wrote:

iSergio wrote:Making the Playoffs with Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph? This is based on what? This is pure assumption based on nothing. There is nothing to support this theory. No stats, no history, nothing. We're talking about two of the biggest losers in the NBA.

See this is the kind of stuff that Papabear is talking about. What's good with dismissing them so throughly as players and calling them losers? Its this kind of rhetoric that I feel led to us practically giving having to give Randolph, because the waters were so poisoned with him.

Go ask Memphis, who is a 5th seed in the West, if he's a "loser." Go ask Atlanta, if they're 6th man of the year is a "loser"

It's still early. You don't erase years of a losing career with half a season. And we're not trying to be a 4th or 6th seed. I'm pretty sure Memphis will be a 1st Round out and Atlanta will probably win a round like they do every year so it's not like Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford are these big difference makers you think they are. Funny how both the Clippers and Golden State pretty much gave them away last summer. Only matter of time imo before the Hawks and Grizzlies realize the obvious and do the same.

It's still early. You don't erase years of a losing career with half a season. And we're not trying to be a 4th or 6th seed. I'm pretty sure Memphis will be a 1st Round out and Atlanta will probably win a round like they do every year so it's not like Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford are these big difference makers you think they are. Funny how both the Clippers and Golden State pretty much gave them away last summer. Only matter of time imo before the Hawks and Grizzlies realize the obvious and do the same.

So how big of losers are Chandler, Lee, and Gallinari? They must be pretty big "losers" considering their teams aren't even .500.

Jamal' situation is that Knick fans claimed he could never play on a good team and contribute. But right now he's putting up a solid 17 pts and he's one their go-to guys at end of game situations.

Jamal is having the best season of his career and it's becuase he's finally in the proper role - 6th man off the bench. The guy isn't a good starter, but he's a great 6th man on a team that has a bunch of contributors.

bitty41 wrote:Memphis won 24 games last season with OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, and Rudy Gay. To argue that Zach (the team's leader) isn't a huge part of their turnaround is kind of absurd. Reading some of the comments on this thread is why I'm happy Zach isn't in NY because this era of Knick fans will never appreciate someone who isn't Lebron or Kobe.

I completely agree. Knick fans are gossip girls and haters. One or two bad games or missteps and a player is an idiot, a bonehead, and a loser and must be traded at once for practically anything another GM is willing to give up. Age, stature, and talent never matter.