[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

what's the difference...
Author Thread
Cosmic
Posts: 26570
Alba Posts: 27
Joined: 3/17/2006
Member: #1115
USA
1/25/2010  8:34 AM
The difference is we're not yet tired of Lee or Chandler and they're still relatively young.

I think both players get a little overrated and whenever you have players putting up big numbers on bad losing teams you have to wonder is that the same as a player putting up the same numbers on a winning team? Is there something more at play than JUST the numbers when it comes down to it? There is but how much is unknown.

Example: A Tim Duncan 20-10 game produces wins. A David Lee 20-10 game does not produce as many.

The difference here is that Duncan can score in numerous ways while Lee has 2 pet moves. Duncan plays defense while Lee does not.

So in that example you may find your answer as to why stats aren't anything.
In my first line of this post you may find your answer as to why Lee/Chandler don't get the crticism that Marbury/Crawford got even if the overall stats and w/l records are similar.

http://popcornmachine.net/ A must-use tool for NBA stat junkies!
AUTOADVERT
orangeblobman
Posts: 27269
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/1/2009
Member: #2539
Nauru
1/25/2010  9:19 AM
This is true, we're not tired of Ill Wilson and D. Lee and they're still young. This is so good.

Let's say three years down the line Ill Wilson and D. Lee are here and the Knicks are winning 30 games a year. Then they would be hated by everyone in the world.

Bo and Crawstinkyfish? They are so wack. First, they were transplants. Isiah's transplants and they had horrible, losing histories. They just suck, man. Why is this so hard to see difference? I see it plain as day, written on the wall in front of me.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
jimimou
Posts: 23517
Alba Posts: 36
Lame Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 6/6/2004
Member: #681
USA
1/25/2010  10:03 AM
quote="orangeblobman"]
This is true, we're not tired of Ill Wilson and D. Lee and they're still young. This is so good.

Let's say three years down the line Ill Wilson and D. Lee are here and the Knicks are winning 30 games a year. Then they would be hated by everyone in the world.

Bo and Crawstinkyfish? They are so wack. First, they were transplants. Isiah's transplants and they had horrible, losing histories. They just suck, man. Why is this so hard to see difference? I see it plain as day, written on the wall in front of me.
[/quote]

i hear ya but jamal is putting up 6th man of the year type numbers in atlanta.

orangeblobman
Posts: 27269
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/1/2009
Member: #2539
Nauru
1/25/2010  10:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2010  10:18 AM
jimimou wrote:quote="orangeblobman"]
This is true, we're not tired of Ill Wilson and D. Lee and they're still young. This is so good.

Let's say three years down the line Ill Wilson and D. Lee are here and the Knicks are winning 30 games a year. Then they would be hated by everyone in the world.

Bo and Crawstinkyfish? They are so wack. First, they were transplants. Isiah's transplants and they had horrible, losing histories. They just suck, man. Why is this so hard to see difference? I see it plain as day, written on the wall in front of me.

i hear ya but jamal is putting up 6th man of the year type numbers in atlanta.

I meant that he sucked in the local sense, not absolute sucking.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
jimimou
Posts: 23517
Alba Posts: 36
Lame Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 6/6/2004
Member: #681
USA
1/25/2010  10:26 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
jimimou wrote:quote="orangeblobman"]
This is true, we're not tired of Ill Wilson and D. Lee and they're still young. This is so good.

Let's say three years down the line Ill Wilson and D. Lee are here and the Knicks are winning 30 games a year. Then they would be hated by everyone in the world.

Bo and Crawstinkyfish? They are so wack. First, they were transplants. Isiah's transplants and they had horrible, losing histories. They just suck, man. Why is this so hard to see difference? I see it plain as day, written on the wall in front of me.

i hear ya but jamal is putting up 6th man of the year type numbers in atlanta.

I meant that he sucked in the local sense, not absolute sucking.

i dunno - seems like you backtracking - you ripped both zbo and craw in this thread and the other one as being absolutly sucky. now we talkin locally sucking? love you blob, but your **** just stinks sometimes...

orangeblobman
Posts: 27269
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/1/2009
Member: #2539
Nauru
1/25/2010  11:04 AM
Listen here, Mr. Jimmy. I don't back track, ever, and my **** never stinks. It's aromatic and flavorful because I have a healthy diet.

Never said they absolutely sucked. They just sucked for us. So for all I know about them, they suck. You see?

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
jimimou
Posts: 23517
Alba Posts: 36
Lame Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 6/6/2004
Member: #681
USA
1/25/2010  11:11 AM
orangeblobman wrote:Listen here, Mr. Jimmy. I don't back track, ever, and my **** never stinks. It's aromatic and flavorful because I have a healthy diet.

Never said they absolutely sucked. They just sucked for us. So for all I know about them, they suck. You see?

no

Moonangie
Posts: 24767
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 7/9/2009
Member: #2788

1/25/2010  11:12 AM
orangeblobman wrote:Listen here, Mr. Jimmy. I don't back track, ever, and my **** never stinks. It's aromatic and flavorful because I have a healthy diet.

Never said they absolutely sucked. They just sucked for us. So for all I know about them, they suck. You see?

Flavorful? You mean like chocolate pudding?

umynot
Posts: 21465
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/4/2008
Member: #2093
USA
1/25/2010  10:28 PM
metra wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
umynot wrote: I'll take 5 guys with heart and less skills over 5 PRIMA DONNA's any day!!

And that's the difference

+1

It's impossible to have heart and still lose by 50. No heart is the reason why they lost by 50.

Get 'em all outta here before next year. Keep some of the youths and don't overpay Nate or Lee if you sign them. Everyone else, ADIOS.

Was talking bout Will and Lee....... Will got hurt and Lee is the best spent 7 million the Knicks have spent!!

Will and Lee are not the reason we lose!!!........ We are not a great team!

Marbury and Crawford were high profile high Dollar players and expectations were high!

Marbury gave us HIS FU>>>ING HOME TOWN (been following him since Lincoln) less then 100% of what his was CAPABLE of

He put himself ahead of everything else and what should of been so beautiful instead became the ugliest of the ugly!!

Again Crawford was a good player... Clutch a lot of times for a losing team but still a chucker!!

You get the most you can out of Will and Lee .... Marbs and Craw you expected more!!

We got whipped cause we suck NO DOUBT but we expect to suck I think is my point!!

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
WindsorPl
Posts: 20413
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/12/2009
Member: #2799
USA
1/25/2010  11:53 PM
Cosmic wrote:The difference is we're not yet tired of Lee or Chandler and they're still relatively young.

I think both players get a little overrated and whenever you have players putting up big numbers on bad losing teams you have to wonder is that the same as a player putting up the same numbers on a winning team? Is there something more at play than JUST the numbers when it comes down to it? There is but how much is unknown.

Example: A Tim Duncan 20-10 game produces wins. A David Lee 20-10 game does not produce as many.

The difference here is that Duncan can score in numerous ways while Lee has 2 pet moves. Duncan plays defense while Lee does not.

So in that example you may find your answer as to why stats aren't anything.
In my first line of this post you may find your answer as to why Lee/Chandler don't get the crticism that Marbury/Crawford got even if the overall stats and w/l records are similar.

True to a point (Pun intended).
Timmy has Tony to shoulder the load, Lee has Duhon.

WindsorPl
Posts: 20413
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/12/2009
Member: #2799
USA
1/25/2010  11:58 PM
oohah wrote:
djsunyc wrote:in fan perception between chandler + lee going for 50+ in a losing effort and marbury + crawford going for 50+ in a losing effort?

The difference, DJ, is what people want to believe. Reality does not penetrate the predetermined narrative of the average fan.

oohah


Reality is, the higher the salary, the higher the expectations. Rest is perception.
Paladin55
Posts: 24321
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/6/2008
Member: #2098

1/26/2010  12:10 AM
Moonangie wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:Listen here, Mr. Jimmy. I don't back track, ever, and my **** never stinks. It's aromatic and flavorful because I have a healthy diet.

Never said they absolutely sucked. They just sucked for us. So for all I know about them, they suck. You see?

Flavorful? You mean like chocolate pudding?


No... like raw honey.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
simrud
Posts: 23392
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/13/2003
Member: #474
USA
1/26/2010  12:13 AM
Its all about expectations and the overall team situation in my opinion.

It is much more fun to watch 2 home grown 1st round picks do well while loosing knowing that you have the cap space and flexibility, and hence, hope.

A lot of players get fan hate because the overall situation stinks. For example H20 - injury aside, he was a good player and a nice guy generally, but the team situation was hopeless and everybody hated him.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
what's the difference...

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy