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martin
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1/23/2010  12:47 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:Also please no trade D Lee threads--he's just a great player and although he is UFA--I think we are in the driver's seat with him. I don't want to bet that some other player might come here--we have some good young players---we want to add not subtract.

even though I created a Trade DLee thread just yesterday I am starting to move in favor of keeping this kid. I like it when he gets angry and is determined to get a rebound or put the basketball through the rim. Mean streak that capitalizes.

David is not a full go-to guy yet (gotta do it for a winning team for sure) but he is making some good strides.

I didnt see your thread until you just mentioned it. You never make trade threads Id rather keep Lee. We have to replace Jefferies Duhon and see what is available in refurbishing the bench once there is a mass exodus with FA But I think we have a real nice core--it's very encouraging. I don't want to lose Lee. He's a modern day Dave Cowens--minus some D but perhaps a better offensive player. To me I still can't believe I see D Lee isnt that good or his D scks get rid of him now for a pick etc..

Donnie got some tough decisions to make. What to do with Jefferies, Nate. What to do with the 2 (3?) second round picks. What to do with Bender. Can he sign LeBron.

And fit that all into ~$55M.

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1/23/2010  1:13 PM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Also please no trade D Lee threads--he's just a great player and although he is UFA--I think we are in the driver's seat with him. I don't want to bet that some other player might come here--we have some good young players---we want to add not subtract.

even though I created a Trade DLee thread just yesterday I am starting to move in favor of keeping this kid. I like it when he gets angry and is determined to get a rebound or put the basketball through the rim. Mean streak that capitalizes.

David is not a full go-to guy yet (gotta do it for a winning team for sure) but he is making some good strides.

I didnt see your thread until you just mentioned it. You never make trade threads Id rather keep Lee. We have to replace Jefferies Duhon and see what is available in refurbishing the bench once there is a mass exodus with FA But I think we have a real nice core--it's very encouraging. I don't want to lose Lee. He's a modern day Dave Cowens--minus some D but perhaps a better offensive player. To me I still can't believe I see D Lee isnt that good or his D scks get rid of him now for a pick etc..

Donnie got some tough decisions to make. What to do with Jefferies, Nate. What to do with the 2 (3?) second round picks. What to do with Bender. Can he sign LeBron.

And fit that all into ~$55M.


It's pretty easy with me--I would keep Gallinari Chandler Hill resign Lee and go from there. Were not going to be able to keep Nate--I don't see why they are obsessed with keeping him when he will walk for sure. IF need be I'm sure we can work things out with smaller contracts--Im not worried about small contracts--easily can get around that if Lebron is coming here--we could back-load a 6 year contract to Lee. I am still not convinced in anyway that we are a lock for LeBron James. Were in the game--thats all you can ask for. Than if he signs we can work from there with ease.

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1/23/2010  1:23 PM
It's pretty easy with me--I would keep Gallinari Chandler Hill resign Lee and go from there. Were not going to be able to keep Nate--I don't see why they are obsessed with keeping him when he will walk for sure. IF need be I'm sure we can work things out with smaller contracts--Im not worried about small contracts--easily can get around that if Lebron is coming here--we could back-load a 6 year contract to Lee. I am still not convinced in anyway that we are a lock for LeBron James. Were in the game--thats all you can ask for. Than if he signs we can work from there with ease.

I am seeing real progress with Nate. He is a great player for that 6th man role and has a legitimate shot if things come together for him as a point. He certainly has shown himself capable as at least a backup point guard role. The Knicks seem to have a history of giving up on real talent just when it is about to blossom. And as many others have pointed out on this and many other boards NBA points can take some time to mature. And for Nate that is the key. Maturity.

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1/23/2010  1:25 PM
Dlee was great. He outplayed Pau. HE don't have the height. Lakes with Pau and Bynum up front are huge.

Knicks played great last nite. JJ Played great defense and Kobe was a killer when he had to. We hung with them the whole game against the best team in the NBA.

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1/23/2010  1:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2010  1:33 PM
Nalod wrote:Dlee was great. He outplayed Pau. HE don't have the height. Lakes with Pau and Bynum up front are huge.

Knicks played great last nite. JJ Played great defense and Kobe was a killer when he had to. We hung with them the whole game against the best team in the NBA.

He did assert himself. He did come right back at Pau when Pau blocked him on consecutive attempts.He did exploit his speed and beat Pau down the floor. But Pau took him to the hoop at will. It's a trade off. He is undersized for the position and you really kind of compare apples and oranges here.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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1/23/2010  2:19 PM
Nalod wrote:Dlee was great. He outplayed Pau. HE don't have the height. Lakes with Pau and Bynum up front are huge.

Knicks played great last nite. JJ Played great defense and Kobe was a killer when he had to. We hung with them the whole game against the best team in the NBA.

A few things

We had to play perfect basketball just to stay even

The Lakers had lost 5 of their last 6 on the road + they were on a tough B-B.

When we broke down--they quickly extended to a double digit lead in the 4th

We are the same team that nearly lost a B-B to Detroit missing it's 3 best players and I think we are lucky to have pulled of some close wins just to be 8 under .500.

We have some very nice pieces and we can play good ball--we have an encouraging situation--there is no doubt about it. To have a goal to make the playoffs THIS year--we would have to make the team better than we are. We have no room for error. If you have watched Chicago Charlotte and Toronto I would suggest they are all teams that are better with more size and depth for THIS year. I think we either have to try to go for it and see what we can do in terms of picking up an extra piece to improve this year OR accept that we are an encouraging team and try to be sellers coming up here soon.
Staying in the middle wont be beneficial.

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1/23/2010  2:47 PM
We just need a dominant wing to close games. I'm tired of this team looking like it has no options down the stretch of games. We'd have won 7-10 more games to this point if we had a wing who was half-way decent at creating their own shot and not a liability on the other end.
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1/23/2010  4:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2010  4:29 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
Nalod wrote:Dlee was great. He outplayed Pau. HE don't have the height. Lakes with Pau and Bynum up front are huge.

Knicks played great last nite. JJ Played great defense and Kobe was a killer when he had to. We hung with them the whole game against the best team in the NBA.

He did assert himself. He did come right back at Pau when Pau blocked him on consecutive attempts.He did exploit his speed and beat Pau down the floor. But Pau took him to the hoop at will. It's a trade off. He is undersized for the position and you really kind of compare apples and oranges here.


Some of you guys are looking too closely at individual matchup stats and not at the big picture. You can just compare Lee's numbers to those of his "opposite" and have make a judgment on who had the edge without looking at all the other dynamics of the game. Those open looks the Lakers were getting and capitalizing on were there because we are unable to play man to man against certain teams like the Lakers, and when we played zone yesterday to compensate for our weakness, the Lakers punished us from outside.

When you have to double-team someone because your guy cannot guard that man alone down low, you end up paying for it elsewhere-in this case, 52% from downtown. When you have to have a big man guarding PG because your PG can't do it, you pay for it elsewhere.

We played a very good game yesterday, but once again, our weakness in the paint was exposed and exploited.

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1/23/2010  8:52 PM
I think you have to add No-D Lee to that list. We are playing 3.5 on 5 defense as well. Lee + Jeffries equal one two way player...that right there is half our problem. The other half goes by the name of Duhon.
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1/23/2010  10:15 PM
loweyecue wrote:I think you have to add No-D Lee to that list. We are playing 3.5 on 5 defense as well. Lee + Jeffries equal one two way player...that right there is half our problem. The other half goes by the name of Duhon.

I agree that DLee needs to improve his defense. I did find it interesting that Hubie Brown said that Lee couldn't play tough defense because he might get into foul trouble and was too important to the Knicks to be on the bench. I have been of the mindset that Lee needs to d-up and play both ends of the floor.

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